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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:45 PM

Mitt Romney: George W. Bush And Henry Paulson Saved Country From Depression

Source: Huffingtonpost

ARBUTUS, Md. -- At a town hall here on Wednesday, Mitt Romney claimed that the economic policies of former President George W. Bush and then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson were responsible for keeping the United States out of a full-scale depression.

"I keep hearing the president say he's responsible for keeping the country out of a Great Depression," Romney said in front of around 200 people at an American Legion post. "No, no, no, that was President George W. Bush and Hank Paulson."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/21/mitt-romney-george-bush_n_1371073.html



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Reply Mitt Romney: George W. Bush And Henry Paulson Saved Country From Depression (Original post)
Grassy Knoll Mar 2012 OP
rurallib Mar 2012 #1
Politicalboi Mar 2012 #2
trusty elf Mar 2012 #29
wordpix Mar 2012 #37
infidella Mar 2012 #44
Spirochete Mar 2012 #45
PatrynXX Mar 2012 #47
Jamaal510 Mar 2012 #73
Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #76
montanacowboy Mar 2012 #3
underpants Mar 2012 #4
Politicalboi Mar 2012 #5
sakabatou Mar 2012 #6
Politicalboi Mar 2012 #8
BeyondGeography Mar 2012 #7
The Wizard Mar 2012 #9
truthisfreedom Mar 2012 #10
Iliyah Mar 2012 #11
kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #12
JAbuchan08 Mar 2012 #33
izquierdista Mar 2012 #13
montanto Mar 2012 #14
The Wielding Truth Mar 2012 #15
tanyev Mar 2012 #16
cstanleytech Mar 2012 #17
Jack Rabbit Mar 2012 #18
rocktivity Mar 2012 #19
indepat Mar 2012 #22
Amonester Mar 2012 #53
earthside Mar 2012 #20
Alcibiades Mar 2012 #34
PatrynXX Mar 2012 #48
yurbud Mar 2012 #49
DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #21
lastlib Mar 2012 #23
cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #24
Faygo Kid Mar 2012 #25
ELY08 Mar 2012 #27
callous taoboy Mar 2012 #58
doc03 Mar 2012 #26
savalez Mar 2012 #28
trusty elf Mar 2012 #30
savalez Mar 2012 #32
wordpix Mar 2012 #38
trusty elf Mar 2012 #54
goclark Mar 2012 #70
Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #31
unkachuck Mar 2012 #35
Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #36
wordpix Mar 2012 #39
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Alexander Mar 2012 #40
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CBHagman Mar 2012 #56
Redneck Democrat Mar 2012 #59
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sofa king Mar 2012 #61
RussBLib Mar 2012 #62
Mopar151 Mar 2012 #65
wordpix Mar 2012 #66
On the Road Mar 2012 #67
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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:47 PM

1. Mitt can't sleep at night because the sun is up all night


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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:48 PM

2. Next he'll say

It was Seamus who put him on the roof of the car, and hosed him down when his shit ran down the rear window.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:53 PM

29. Well........

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:23 PM

37. great pic, thanks

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Response to infidella (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:15 AM

45. Geez, Freeper

Is that seriously all you got? You have to be the dumbest troll i've seen on here yet.

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Response to Spirochete (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:25 AM

47. shush don't tell the troll it's drunk n/t

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Response to Spirochete (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:40 PM

73. The trolls sure do get disposed of quick on DU.

I didn't even get to read that person's comment.

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:16 AM

76. That picture is hilarious!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:49 PM

3. Hope this moran keeps it up

tell the country that Shrub and his toady Paulson saved us from the great depression and that damn Obama is just screwing up the Bush recovery

you just have to shake your head in disbelief at everything that comes out of this friggin idiot's mouth.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:51 PM

4. Go ahead Mitt hitch your wagon to THAT star

or was this payback for the Jeb endorsement?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:53 PM

5. Hey maybe.....

Rmoney/Bush 2012??????????

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:54 PM

6. Yeah fucking right

Dipshit doesn't remember history.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:56 PM

8. No, they rewrite it

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:55 PM

7. He said the W. word

After a year of non-personhood in the Republican campaign, W. is back.

How inept.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:56 PM

9. He makes a strong case for

electro-shock therapy, or drug testing. What next for Romney, psychotropic medication?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:57 PM

10. Oh, wait. I see what he is saying. Bush, et al, was driving the country directly into the ditch,

and just as we entered the ditch and began careening down the bank toward the very bottom, Bush and Henry woke up and grabbed the wheel. Makes perfect sense. Saved the country, right? All except for that little part about Obama winning the election, being the actual President, and pulling us out of the ditch, creating more private sector jobs in 3 years during the most difficult financial time in America's history since the LAST great depression, than Bush did in 8 years?

Mittens, you invoked Bush right after your team invoked Etch-A-Sketch. Are you truly insane?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:57 PM

11. Oh and don't forget

Mitch Daniels who left our country with a surplus (yeah right). Mittens considers himself as a Christian, yes Mormon do, but like his fellow right winged Christians, lying comes with ease.

God does not like ugly actions and ugly speech.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:58 PM

12. Just like Hoover saved the US 1929-1932........

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:36 PM

33. You don't even have to look very hard

To find people willing to say that

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:12 PM

13. In the same way that....

 

Hitler kept the Soviets from invading Czechoslovakia.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:13 PM

14. "They saved us! They saved us from a depression that they would have been

to blame for
if
they had
let us
get
into
itNEVERMIND! My watch is worth more than your house! hahaha, that was a joke! You don't really have a house!"

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:24 PM

15. Btw Mitt, thanx for saving the us auto industry. Since we're in dreamland.

Last edited Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:28 PM

16. And Dick Cheney saved Harry Whittington from those awful birds.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:28 PM

17. Sorry folks but Mitts right about W saving us from a depression.

After all without the endorsement of W McCain/Palin might have actually won.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:37 PM

18. The last big heist of the Bush Junta saved the country from depression?

There hasn't been such historians as GOP spinmeisters since the reign of Stalin in Russia.

This one belongs next to the one about the New Deal being a failure.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:42 PM

19. Rocktivity: George W. Bush And Henry Paulson INVENTED the Country's Depression

With Reckless Fiscal Policy That Reduced Tax Revenue and Increased Military Spending


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:57 PM

22. And didn't Henry, with oil prices in the $140+ per-barrel range, aver emphatically that there was no

speculation in the price of oil?

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:51 AM

53. Also, chimpy GAVE Trillions to his contributoR$, WS banksters & co.

Only to add them to the taxpayers' national credit card.

Then he disappeared to hide on his ranch.

It's almost like it was all according to plan!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:45 PM

20. Well, for one thing, Teabaggers hate TARP ...

... it was TARP that got the "Tea Party" going, right?

TARP was the Bush/Paulson bailout plan.

It seems like Rmoney is campaigning for Santorum today. First the Etch A Sketch comment from Mitt's consultant and now his defense of TARP.

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Response to earthside (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

34. Mitt did not get the memo

Bush is seldom to be mentioned, but Hank Paulson? Never, ever, ever. It's as if he never existed.

Paulson's book read like one long apology for the bailout, but without any real admission that the deregulation of the financial services industry created the mess to begin with. It was interesting to read what he wrote about Obama and McCain, though. (Obama kept calling Paulson, talking to him about the crisis: McCain barely acknowledged one was ongoing.)

And, of course, the whole scam was run by people exactly like Mitt Romney. Looking forward to his analysis of how the crisis came about. Probably involves Fannie and Freddie.

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Response to Alcibiades (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:29 AM

48. yeah thats about as bad

as saying Sarah Palin Saved us from certain doom.

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Response to earthside (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:35 AM

49. he figured out a way to say something NO ONE would like except

his country club buddies who partied with hookers and coke on the taxpayers bailout dime.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:45 PM

21. this would be silly

Save that is is exactly what the fools who voted for Bush want to believe, never mind that their boy got us INTO the depression.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:57 PM

23. I got it now: "We had to destroy the economy in order to save it"....eom

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:06 PM

24. OMFG really?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:32 PM

25. They etched, and they sketched, and they blew the depression down!

Is it November yet?

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:41 PM

27. oh that is some funny stuff

Hope you don't mind me stealing that

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:59 AM

58. Bwaaa Ha Ha Ha....

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:39 PM

26. Wait a minute, the Republicans have been blaming Obama for TARP and bailing out

the banks. Now all of a sudden it was Bush and TARP that saved the day.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:44 PM

28. LOL!!!

That SOB is the biggest liar in the world!

He is so outrageous it's funny.

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Response to savalez (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:54 PM

30. .......

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:04 PM

32. That's it!

Every anti-Romney advertisement from now until the end of the election should reference Romney's inability to tell the truth.

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Response to trusty elf (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:26 PM

38. nice pic again, you've got a fan, trusty

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Response to wordpix (Reply #38)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 02:57 AM

54. Thanks, wordpix.

If you would like to see more, please have a look at my journal.


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Response to trusty elf (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:18 AM

70. Bingo!



You should be hired by Obama's staff.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:03 PM

31. That's awesome!

Now, can we tie Jr. around Rmoney's campaign neck?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:54 PM

35. "...that was President George W. Bush and Hank Paulson."

 

.....that's funny, I could have sworn it was shrub, hank the wank and Andreas' husband (the federal reserves' master meltdown architect) that caused the Great Recession President Obama had to mend....

....I don't believe slick willard, the rich wall street Mormon, is telling us the truth....can we trust a liar who now wants to put the economy right after he and his wall-street friends put the economy wrong?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:19 PM

36. Mittens is attaching his cart to the Bush crime family.



As I have said before, one of Obama's greatest assets is the horrific field of candidates running against him.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:34 PM

39. in case any repugs need some facts instead of lies to go by

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/10-inconvenient-truths-about-debt-ceiling

3. George W. Bush Doubled the National Debt
Following in Reagan's footsteps, George W. Bush buried the myth of Republican fiscal discipline.

Inheriting a federal budget in the black and CBO forecast for a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years, President George W. Bush quickly set about dismantling the progress made under Bill Clinton. Bush's $1.4 trillion tax cut in 2001, followed by a $550 billion second round in 2003, accounted for the bulk of the yawning budget deficits he produced. (It is more than a little ironic that Paul Ryan ten years ago called the tax cuts "too small" because he believed the estimated surplus Bush eviscerated would be even larger.)


Like Reagan and Stockman before him, Bush resorted to the rosy scenario to claim he would halve the budget deficit by 2009. Before the financial system meltdown last fall, Bush's deficit already reached $490 billion. (And even before the passage of the Wall Street bailout, Bush had presided over a $4 trillion increase in the national debt, a staggering 71% jump.) By January 2009, the mind-numbing deficit figure reached $1.2 trillion, forcing President Bush to raise the debt ceiling to $11.3 trillion.

4. Republicans Voted Seven Times to Raise Debt Ceiling for President Bush
"Reagan," Vice President Dick Cheney famously declared in 2002, "proved deficits don't matter." Not, that is, unless a Democrat is in the White House.



As Donny Shaw documented in January 2010, Republican intransigence on the debt ceiling only began in earnest when Bush left the White House for good.

The Republicans haven't always been against increasing the federal debt ceiling. This is the first time in recent history (the past decade or so) that no Republican has voted for the increase. In fact, on most of the ten other votes to increase the federal debt limit that the Senate has taken since 1997, the Republicans provided the majority of the votes in favor.

As it turns out, Republican majorities voted to raise the U.S. debt ceiling seven times while George W. Bush sat in the Oval Office. (It should be noted, as Ezra Klein did, that party-line votes on debt ceiling increases tied to other legislation is not solely the province of the GOP.) As ThinkProgress pointed out, during the Bush presidency, the current GOP leadership team voted 19 times to increase debt limit. During his tenure, the U.S. national debt doubled, fueled by the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, the Medicare prescription drug plan and the unfunded wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And Mitch McConnell and John Boehner voted for all of it and the debt which ensued because, as Orrin Hatch later explained:

"It was standard practice not to pay for things."

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Response to wordpix (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:15 AM

63. one of the biggest MOs of the repug party

is to create the problem and then offer the solution. We now know that little boots wanted that war with iraq and would do anything to get it. We know that there were accountability problems with our money going to iraq. Halliburton before little boots was selected was not in good shape; however, with government lucrative contracts because of their bogus war with iraq, they've bounced back. Because of little boots and friends deregulatory practice, no matter who it hurt, predatory lenders had a field day, even in states where more stringent loan regulations in place. The reason, little boots turned his head while his "friends" basically screwed the proles-that includes enron screwing california.

and, some on this board, KNEW the shite was going to hit the fan on the economy. There's an ad being run in our area about the gas price before obama and after. Total bullshite!!! The gas price shown was when little boots first came into office (so, it's actually during clinton), and it has risen for eight long years while he was in office. Such a dishonest ad brought to you by the corporations.

My thought now, is little boots set up the scenario with tax cuts for the wealthy, funneling our money to private war profiteers, cutting state federal funds-increase wealth for his "constituents" while causing the environment to privatize government programs, getting rid of any regulatory device and cutting the social safety net. Then his vulture corporate friends, doesn't matter where they're from, can come in and feast on the leavings.

the teabaggers want to do the blame game. Before the 2008 election, little boots basically stated we're in trouble and y'all better do something or the whole world is going down. He and his friends set that up, not obama. Got it, freepers?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:45 PM

40. Keep repeating that, Mitt. That will win you votes all over the country.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:09 PM

41. Only through the comedy of the dumb shit he said and did non-stop.

Oh, wait...not THAT sort of depression. Nevermind.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:31 PM

42. He should not get one fucking vote in America for that statement alone.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:09 AM

43. They live in an alternative universe

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:23 AM

46. next thing he'll say is Bush brought the twin towers down

do'h...



stop the insanity X_X

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:36 AM

50. Does this guy have a tin ear or is someone telling him to say stupid shit to make him

look stupid on purpose?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:07 AM

51. Shake that Etch-a-Sketch, Mitty!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:23 AM

57. My thoughts exactly. FAIL! Shake and and try again.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:34 AM

52. Typical repuke: lie, try to rewrite history

Then hope no one notices.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:35 AM

55. I don't know where the idiocy begins or the fail ends . . .

Yes, let's link up to a guy you anuses have been avoiding like the plague for a year now, and rewrite history while doing so. A president that presided over the weakest stretch of job creation in decades, encouraged Wall Street and real estate chicanery and left billions on the table in yearly wealth giveaways (Tax Cuts for the Rich, we calls them) all of a sudden SAVED America seven years and 9 months into his term from a financial disaster HE created.

Makes perfect sense to ME. How about y'all??

It really IS amazing . . . this contest that Santurdum and RMoney are in. It's a contest to see who can one-up the other on incredibly stupid statements.

Funny thing though, President Obama comes out the winner in such a contest.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #55)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:35 AM

64. well, they rewrote reagan's history

wait a couple of years, write some glowing books on reagan and have the media pump him up like he's the best thing ever to happen to america. Actually, reagan also increased the deficit, cut taxes, but had enough savvy to raise them when it didn't work. But, his trickle on economy aided in the environment we have now. We are supposed to be dependent on our "masters" for a decent job; and most of those "masters" are true greedy sociopaths that care less about providing decent jobs or if the whole country goes down the rabbit hole.

Reagan had a very bloody legacy; the death squads, the bogus assault on grenada. I will never forget the iran-contra, BCCI scandal. Brave journalists lost their lives attempting to tell us what was going down. The corruption is absolutely mind blowing and has also set up the environment we have today. They take most americans as fools-start any war for any reason and the proles will lap it up. Unfortunately, we have some americans who are bloodthirsty fools; who scream "usa, usa" who attack anyone not wearing a bogus "flag pin" or waving a flag; while they are being brought down economically. They don't realize that some of their wealthy masters, could give a damn about the country, as long as they can make a buck; that includes wall street.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:21 AM

56. Someone needs a calendar...

...as well as visit from Mr. Reality.

I remember the atmosphere, somewhere between panicked and funereal, just in retail in the fall of 2008, close to eight years into the Bush presidency, during much of which Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:00 AM

59. He forgot to blame Bill Clinton for 9/11

 

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:01 AM

60. George "The economy is basically sound" Bush? Really? You kill me, Mittens, you really do.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:12 AM

61. They didn't save me from depression.

In fact, they caused it.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:16 AM

62. Is it that time already?

Mitt thinks enough time has passed that people have forgotten? Maybe he's right. Americans have shockingly short attention spans. And if Mitt repeats this BS often enough, we'll start seeing the comment pop up all over the place. FOX News will get right on it. Hey! Be bold! Don't wait! Re-write history now!!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:50 AM

65. I remember seein' Dubya on TV just before the "bailout summit"

He looked freshly sobered up and scared shitless..... I'm beginning to beleive Willard is a pathalogical liar - which completely explains his sucess in the mergers and acquisitions business.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:59 AM

66. "Willard is a pathalogical liar"--also explains his success as the repug nominee

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:03 AM

67. Obama is Correct That He Kept the Country Out of a Depression

through longer-term stimulus that Republicans opposed. Romney is also correct that Paulsen averted an economic collapse through crisis management (I think Bush just went along for the ride).

It is not an either/or situation -- both were necessary to prevent the kind of long-term depression that a collapse of the financial sector would have meant.

What Romney is not mentioning is that his own party would happily have stood by and watched the catastrophe unfold. There is a reason Paulsen had to get down on one knee and beg Nancy Pelosi for assistance. The Democrats came through because they understood the consequences.


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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:05 AM

68. Yes they did, when THEY LEFT OFFICE.

n/t

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:14 AM

69. Mark that date down in your diary, Romney mentioned Bush!!!!

And that is going to cause him to sink faster than the Titanic.

I wonder if Romney remembers 2008.
When Bush started this recession almost a full year earlier, according to most economists.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:43 AM

71. And because the right hates the guy in the White House...

They'll believe it.

Republicon candidates can say anything they want because Republican voters are hateful and ignorant.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 12:15 PM

72. No Mittens, they saved the FUCKING BANKSTERS.

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TARP was nothing but a give-way to the Banksters.

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Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:46 PM

74. Do they really let you campaign on crack?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:37 AM

75. Mind- boggling!! What is sad, most Republicans will buy this hook, line, and sinker :(

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