BREAKING: Sterling Banned For Life By NBA (Fined $2.5 Million)
Source: Associated Press
@BreakingNews: NBA announces Clippers owner Donald Sterling banned for life, fined $2.5 million for recorded remarks - live video http://t.co/cenGvc7fDP
STERLING BANNED FOR LIFE BY THE NBA
Apr. 29, 2014 2:24 PM EDT
NEW YORK (AP) Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation.
NBA Commissioner Adam Silver also says he will try to force a sale of the Clippers and also fined Sterling $2.5 million.
Silver called Sterling's comments and views "deeply offensive and harmful."
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/sterling-banned-life-nba
BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)The fine is a drop in the bucket for him though.
calimary
(81,179 posts)But if there's no $$$ penalty involved, it won't mean squat. Even though this "fine" actually kinda does mean squat, compared to what he's worth.
Unfortunately it seems to me these rich assholes need to be HURT. And hurt much worse than a trifling two-point-five million dollars in fines. It'd be MURDER to somebody like me. But to him, it's like a mosquito bite. A shame there's nothing really hurtful and TRULY punitive that can be done. He'll just go buy something else important and sit there in glory in that particular arena, I suppose.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,825 posts)It is within the NBA's constitution or bylaws that specifies what can or can't happen.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)and commute 40 miles a day each way to a job at a Burger King.
SaltyBro
(198 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)SaltyBro
(198 posts)Sounds like something Paul Ryan would say.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Sorry if I offended you.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)some "thuggish" brothers from Compton (because we all know everyone in Compton wears blue or red and breaks the law daily) would necessarily take out some anger on Sterling.
This kind of offensive offhand remark reminds me of the racist Billy Joel song in which he sings "I walked through Bedford-Stuy alone" - as if a white guy walking alone through a predominantly Black neighborhood is in any more danger than a Black guy walking alone through an affluent white neighborhood.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)I was trying to say that, for a punishment, this billionaire should be forced to life in a town that he wouldn't feel comfortable in, Compton just came to mind, sorry for choosing Compton, and be forced to make a long freeway commute each day to a low paying job. You know, sort of force him to live in a way that is, unfortunately, reality for so many people.
pscot
(21,024 posts)around here.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)about $500 million, but was stunned that $2.5 million was the highest penalty by law. What a ridiculous amount. That has to change.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Dein Name macht mich hungrig.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)suessigkeit!
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,825 posts)If it did the penalty would not had been levied so quickly.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Its the most he can be fined under NBA Bylaws. This is an action taken by a club against one of its members. No legal (as in courtroom ) application.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....should know that it wasn't intended to be, nor was it a racist comment.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Racist stereotyping of an entire community
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Explanation: I see this as a comment about the plight of low wage workers trying to survive, and how it would be fitting for him to have to live that life. Stop reading more than is here.
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Explanation: This is an inflammatory topic anyway. There will be inflammatory posts. I don't think he meant any insult against Compton but that he wished Sterling would have to suffer discrimination and poverty in a land of poor minorities.
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Explanation: You really have dig deep and laboriously and exhaustively to suspect a possibility of an inference of possible racism in this post. C'mon DUers, the One-Percent are thattaway!
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BumRushDaShow
(128,699 posts)big_dog
(4,144 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)I got it from across the pond; racism won't be tolerated in the NBA.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)..."Bang, band, Maxwell's silver hammer came down on his head."
Well done, Mr. Silver.
Red1
(351 posts)the attention...the court side seat...his ego is on the rack
and the bylaws of the nba constitution say he can be forced out as owner....
In an unprecedented step, he also encouraged the NBA board of governors to vote to terminate Sterling's ownership forcing him to sell the team. It would require a three-fourths majority vote to force a sale. Silver says those proceedings will start as soon as possible.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-announces-donald-sterling-penalty-2014-4#ixzz30JHRlQln
when these dudes acquire an nba team they are obliged to sign up to the rules...in court i believe he will not have legal leg to stand on...
we will see...
zonkers
(5,865 posts)I know they say only the good die young but you pull the carpet out from a dude like him at that age -- he is done. His family and those around him had to know this day would come.
Hotler
(11,409 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Kudos to the NBA for (finally) doing the right thing.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Sterling is out.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Punishment too extreme
Look$ like he will be just fine. ....even with the fine
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)in the world's Richie Rich social circles that don't include the NBA, since he's banned.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)banned from the planet? Banned from having gold-digger girlfriends 50 years young than him ( he ought to ban himself from that one).
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)to include the commissioner's strong urging for a forced sale of the team.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)NBA Commissioner Adam Silver: Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling 'may not attend any NBA games or practices, he may not be present at any Clippers facility, and he may not participate in any business or decisions involving the team' - @CBSLA
JudyM
(29,225 posts)what will they do, throw him out for trespassing? I understand how the NBA can place constraints on his actions in his capacity as an owner or whatever, but do they have authority to determine whether private citizens can go to games?
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Accordingly, effectively immediately, I am banning Mr. Sterling for life from any association with the Clippers organization or the NBA, said Silver during a press conference this afternoon. Mr. Sterling may not attend any NBA games or practices. He may not be present at any Clippers facility. He may not participate in any business or player personnel decisions.
Maybe it only applies to the Clippers but it may also apply to attendance at all NFL games as it says. I am not sure I'm just posting the quote.http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2014/04/clippers-owner-donald-sterling-gets-nbas-death-sentence/
Auggie
(31,153 posts)What exactly constitutes a "ban" -- can't attend games or owners' meetings?
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Bryce Butler
(338 posts)That's my understanding of it
MADem
(135,425 posts)of the work, anyway.
Hard to know what they'll think of that apple -- did he roll far from the tree, I wonder?
hue
(4,949 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)What's harsher than what has already been handed down?
christx30
(6,241 posts)in a private conversation. Yeah, it was vile. But he lost $2 billion for a freakin' conversation. And he can't have anything to do with the team he owns. I think that's more than a slap on the hand.
I'd hate to have my private conversations subject to a huge fine if I say something offensive.
QuestForSense
(653 posts)The reason racism is so slow to evolve is that it has to change one person at a time. No amount of outside pressure will ever change a person's beliefs. The last time I checked, you still have to do that all by yourself.
postulater
(5,075 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)She'd been hanging out with Magic Johnson and taking him to Clippers games. He said something like "don't bring black guys to the game" or something close to that.
"In your lousy f**ing Instagrams, you don't have to have yourself with -- walking with black people," the man says.
"I've known (Magic Johnson) well, and he should be admired. ... I'm just saying that it's too bad you can't admire him privately," the man on the recording says. "Admire him, bring him here, feed him, f**k him, but don't put (Magic) on an Instagram for the world to have to see so they have to call me. And don't bring him to my games."
postulater
(5,075 posts)Yikes. Maybe not his girlfriend anymore.
christx30
(6,241 posts)if she did that to me. But, yes. She released it to TMZ. Shitstorm ensues.
postulater
(5,075 posts)She should stay out of small planes.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)which was especially offensive because he was making so much money form it -- which isn't good for NBA business.
rocktivity
christx30
(6,241 posts)tape complaining to your spouse about policies or just the company in general, you can expect a fine and being fired. That gives us no expectation of privacy, even in private.
LiberalFighter
(50,825 posts)They created the rules and for the rules that were in place before someone became an owner they agreed to them before hand.
rocktivity
(44,573 posts)and you say things that make it difficult for them to stay in business, yes.
rocktivity
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, and all that.
hue
(4,949 posts)Why should he have anything to do with the team since it is those with whom he has a history of racist verbiage and behaviors that are making money for him? In other words, Sterling is using the team to make $$ for him.
http://www.npr.org/2014/04/29/307825043/sterlings-tarnished-history-of-alleged-discrimination
Sterling's Tarnished History Of Alleged Discrimination
Then there was the unsuccessful wrongful termination suit brought against Sterling by NBA Hall of Famer and former Clippers General Manager Elgin Baylor. He claimed Sterling once said he wanted a "white Southern coach coaching poor black players."
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)All of these systems facilitate his ability to make money...exile from all of them makes sense, no?
To send a real message to this bigot more should be done.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)unsettling. I always get uncomfortable when people are sanctioned for their thoughts, no matter how disagreeable.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Fox news reporter to Adma Silver: Hi, so and so from Fox news, the Kelly File: 'Do think it's right to force an owner to sell his team for saying something in private?' Are we headed down a slippery Slope?
Mr. Silver: What he said is no longer private. Next question.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Eric Garcetti, mayor of LA, was absolutely riveting.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)What a stupid leading question.
E! entertainment had more journalistic standards. I am not even joking.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)I can't stand LA, I'm from there, and Garcetti has practically talked me into moving back!
SaltyBro
(198 posts)We cannot let the 1 percenters get away with this.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)There's nothing to prosecute him here for.
Unless adultery counts....
SaltyBro
(198 posts)former9thward
(31,961 posts)He is going to sue himself?
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Maybe there should be - the prison industrial complex could make a killing.
SaltyBro
(198 posts)Something like some European nations have.
groundloop
(11,517 posts)The Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that even the most vile speech is protected.
I'm with you though, I wouldn't mind limits on what's considered protected speech, such as hatred and lies purported to be 'news'.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Would you want to give a deeply religious, right-wing evangelical elected DA in Alabama a weapon with which to criminally prosecute someone who said that or posted it on the internet?
melm00se
(4,988 posts)but completely unfair when the same law is used against someone with whom they agree.
christx30
(6,241 posts)will not always swing in our direction. Any weapons we use against that side WILL be used against our side at one point or another. We jail Klansman Sam in 2014 for saying the n-word in a speech. In 2016 they jail Agnostic Amy for saying something.
Laws like the ones proposed will further polarize our society for 50 years or more.
groundloop
(11,517 posts)Wouldn't it be wonderful for 'news' broadcasters to have to back up what they put on the air with facts?
Tribalceltic
(1,000 posts)The fact that faux was allowed to get away with this speaks volumes. Wingnuts don't believe it happened.
christx30
(6,241 posts)talking about are posts and speech. Laws against bigotry. Wanting to have laws to prosecute Sterling under for his racist comments.
But it can go the other way. How many people on DU say things against Christians? It could be interrepted as anti-Christian bigotry and subject to prosecution.
In this country that will never happen. Good luck repealing the 1st Amendment.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and I hope to fuck we never do.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Are you not from the US?
SaltyBro
(198 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The only type of "hate speech" which the courts have ruled can be punished is "fighting words", that is, speech likely to incite an immediate crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words
While "hate speech" laws may sound superficially attractive to some, bear in mind that under such a law plenty of DUers would face prosecution for their posts about Catholics, evangelical Christians, and Mormons.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)I'd never heard of the "Fighting Words" provision. I was having a conversation with a co-worker on freedom of speech and he was pretty adamant about the legality of saying whatever to whomever without any repercussions. I agreed that he could say whatever he wanted but sometimes there ARE repercussions. I told him that calling my mother a whore would bring a whole bunch of repercussions.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and now that all alerts are seen by Admin. being kicked off DU can happen for such speech.
"Fighting words" would be included, I should think.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)for...um...speech?
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Good going, NBA!
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)who he's fled to in the crisis.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)My life is very simple compared to the mess this buffoon has created for himself.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)However, he does not have enough money to buy respect any longer.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)I'd like to see fines for the multi-rich higher than their equivalent of pocket change.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)disgraced, fully and out in the open.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)the NAACP has had to take a second look at him, for sure.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)from less than desirable people before, and why I said earlier that this creeps fine,
no matter how low/high is not important. He can't buy respect any longer, he has
been publicly condemned...much more powerful than any fine in my opinion.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)ChazII
(6,204 posts)we will here much more about or from the NAACP regarding this topic.
gussmith
(280 posts)The guy is a schnook. So we are going to control speech while all the money is the world is allowed to speak per the supreme court. Fines yes, telling us how to speak, no.
This is about NBA's ad revenue as much as anything.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)made public?
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Know what the First Amendment is about, maybe.
The NBA doesn't want him around and have broken no laws in banning him.
It is their right.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)and the NBA has just as equal right to say anything they like in reaction to what he has said.
And in the end the other 29 owners will also use their freedom of speech either to defend Sterling or stand with the NBA. And from what I read all 29 owners and their players are with the NBA.
That my friend, is how free speech works.
Aristus
(66,307 posts)About the only people who complain about 'political correctness' anymore are those who are upset that they can't use the word n****r without suffering justified social sanctions.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I get, too. It raises a huge red flag when I hear people whine about PC.
groundloop
(11,517 posts)As others before me have pointed out this action was not taken by the government but by a business (NBA) against a franchise owner. I'd be willing to bet all kinds of money that each and every NBA franchise owner has contractually agreed to not do anything detrimental to the league under penalty of these sanctions.
Mosby
(16,295 posts)All the NBA owners probably sign a Standards and Ethics agreement. He is in violation of that, so Silver can bring the hammer down short of making him sell the franchise.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)What he said was said in private.
Cha
(297,026 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,984 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The First Amendment only applies to speech against the government.
Private speech can and does get penalized on a daily basis with *zero* constitutional problems.
Tell your boss he can't tell you how to speak to him, see where that gets you.
alp227
(32,013 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Mosby
(16,295 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)progressoid
(49,961 posts)mathematic
(1,434 posts)He already received an award from them and he was about to receive a lifetime achievement award until this story broke. And this is a man that has been guilty of employment and housing discrimination in the past. It would be a real shame if the NAACP got the money.
mopinko
(70,067 posts)i mean,
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)I'd love it.
mopinko
(70,067 posts)understand you have some strong progressive leadership out there. make it happen.
maybe the nba will make him sell it for a dollar.
frylock
(34,825 posts)calimary
(81,179 posts)Just made me extra proud of L.A.! WAY cool!!! He makes a great point. All those gentlemen and athletic artists on the court are not just wearing Clippers uniforms. They're wearing the name of our city. And I do not want to see it besmirched by old white racist assholes like donald sterling - regardless how rich and entitled they think they may be.
I voted for Eric Garcetti. Very pleased to see this!
DAYUM!!! Kevin Johnson, speaking just after him (apologies for not getting the quote completely accurate): "I hope every bigot in the country sees this and understands that if he (donald sterling, that is) can fall, so can you!" HOLY COW!!! THAT ROCKS!!!!!! And this one's for YOU, TOO, cliven bundy!!!!
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)That is one bright guy, and I think he just gave the equivalent of the Gettysburg Address or the Democratic Convention keynote speech.
calimary
(81,179 posts)He ran unsuccessfully for mayor - beaten by Antonio Villaraigosa. His son seems to be doing A-OK so far. Also recently announced a city beautification program targeting one main street in each council district for upgrade, new plantings and landscaping, walkways, creating a nice atmosphere for shops and cafes - which sounds to me like a really nice thing to do for our whole sprawling city. A terrific idea, seems to me! VERY pleased with him so far.
Cha
(297,026 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Silver did a good job.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)no Q & A because he made the announcement during Amanpour's time.
pinto
(106,886 posts)And asked about something he didn't know, said "I don't know."
I'm not a basketball fan but caught the presser for its social angle. Refreshing to see.
lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)Garcetti just got himself a whole lot of positive face-time. He's brilliant.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I haven't seen you post for years.
SaltyBro
(198 posts)I am not sure of the laws.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)There are no laws against being a hateful, moronic ass.
SaltyBro
(198 posts)His kind of thinking and speech are harmful to everyone.
klook
(12,153 posts)is not likely, unless you're an enemy of the state.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Legislating against what individuals say is fraught with the possibility of unintended consequences.
Hateful racist rhetoric is pretty easily identified as harmful, but what happens when political speech is deemed hateful? I could easily see many Southern states citing pro-choice arguments as "hate speech."
Freedom of speech is not without its challenges.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,917 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Free expression extends to stupidity.
Peacetrain
(22,873 posts)good to see
47of74
(18,470 posts)lebkuchen
(10,716 posts)TeamPooka
(24,216 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And I bet she's wishing that too.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Good for the NBA. That sends a loud and clear message that if you are racist you are not welcomed in the NBA.
And for the fans that support Sterling like Krystal and Trump - you can stop buying tickets to NBA game. Defending him means you are racist too!
herding cats
(19,558 posts)This makes it all the more sweet.
They hit him with the max fine and then they're taking the money and using it to promote anti-discrimination and tolerance. Take that, Sterling!
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Ratty
(2,100 posts)That picture of this literal troll billionaire with his hot, young model thing - I haven't seen something so disgusting in a long time. Everytime I see it I go "gaah!" and want to gouge my eyes out.
malthaussen
(17,183 posts)I figured he'd been in for a little wrist-slap and maybe lose a few bucks. Even $2.5 million isn't going to hurt him financially, but the lifetime ban has got to hurt.
-- Mal
mackerel
(4,412 posts)I mean some dude puts down your race and it's not the first time. Maybe it's just me...
bigworld
(1,807 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)but even that evidently has its limits, as Mr. Bigotry has discovered.
840high
(17,196 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)and totally appropriate.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)old guy
(3,283 posts)Maybe, just maybe, that light at the end of the tunnel really is daylight.
asjr
(10,479 posts)Lamonte
(85 posts)First,what can the NBA do if he remains involved in running his business? It isn't breaking the law and he can ignore that part of the NBA rules. If he wants an excuse for violating that impossible to enforce rule he can say he is in the process of trying to sell the team. Second, if he does sell, he can and will ask for much more than the team is worth. A desperate league will have to deal with that. I doubt our courts will allow the NBA to decide the price for the team.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)It's in the NBA bylaws. The NBA just needs to approval of 3/4ths of the the other team's owners.
If he still refuses to sell I believe the NBA can just strip of the team or refuse to let the Clippers play in the NBA (which would sink the team).
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)For that like wading through legaleze
http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/mediacentral/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf
mvd
(65,169 posts)it wouldn't be right in any sport, but the NBA has the highest percentage of African American players. So this guy is not only racist but very stupid.