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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:05 AM Apr 2014

Windows XP users face end to Microsoft support

Source: BBC

Support for the venerable Windows XP operating system ends this Tuesday.

It means that there will be no more official security updates and bug fixes for the operating system from Microsoft.

Some governments have negotiated extended support contracts for the OS in a bid to keep users protected.

Security firms said anyone else using the 13-year-old software would be at increased risk of infection and compromise by cyber-thieves.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26884167



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Windows XP users face end to Microsoft support (Original Post) Bosonic Apr 2014 OP
It won't be any less secure than it already is. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #1
Assuming it is not bug free as of today Bosonic Apr 2014 #2
90+% of the infected computers I fix have ALL the updates hobbit709 Apr 2014 #3
Fixing idiots is outside the remit of Microsoft updates Bosonic Apr 2014 #4
Until Vista, Windows security was designed by idiots cprise Apr 2014 #35
that's the root cause of 99% of the offshore issues too Skittles Apr 2014 #33
A bug free Microsoft OS? SnowCritter Apr 2014 #15
*Any* OS being completely bug-free is highly unlikely Bosonic Apr 2014 #16
Well, that's true SnowCritter Apr 2014 #30
I've got a few legacy machines that run our test systems here at work VWolf Apr 2014 #5
Actually they're probably pretty safe. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #7
Yeah, I know - probably not worth the effort. n/t VWolf Apr 2014 #9
I was recently in an office Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #11
I am surprised that sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #51
Why should they load a new printer driver? Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #73
because if they are running sabbat hunter Apr 2014 #74
These were Linux boxes, other than that, I don't know anything about them Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #76
i have a DOS machine 8 track mind Apr 2014 #40
My only concern... doxydad Apr 2014 #6
ATM's aren't tied into the internet. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #8
They'll pay and get support jakeXT Apr 2014 #10
Corporate extortion. L0oniX Apr 2014 #14
I just received my Windows 7. no_hypocrisy Apr 2014 #12
We got Windows 7 at work a year ago, and it was an adjustment, good and bad. arcane1 Apr 2014 #52
You can make 7 look pretty much like XP. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #53
Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ...d/l and run the live CD first then install it. It's free and good. L0oniX Apr 2014 #13
i know 3 people with ubuntu & mackerel Apr 2014 #17
99% of users have no idea what you just said. Jack for Sanders Apr 2014 #20
Thanks for letting me know. L0oniX Apr 2014 #21
No problem Jack for Sanders Apr 2014 #22
Shit. Is THAT how you stop these damn things? Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #26
Yes, but remember the only good machine is cprise Apr 2014 #36
How do I yank the battery out of my Macbook Air? Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #37
You don't. cprise Apr 2014 #39
Close it. Grip it with both hands, one on each side of the case. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #43
I should also point out cprise Apr 2014 #57
+1. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #41
im tired of Microsoft 8 track mind Apr 2014 #42
Linux Mint is an very popular Ubuntu derivative IDemo Apr 2014 #46
DL it and burn it to DVD then boot it to try it out without an install. L0oniX Apr 2014 #56
I'm worried my online banking will stop accepting XP starroute Apr 2014 #18
Using anything that requires active x is asking for hacks. Move to a credit union. L0oniX Apr 2014 #19
Your bank is probably warning you about the version of Internet Explorer your web browser neohippie Apr 2014 #24
I use Firefox starroute Apr 2014 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #23
OpenSSL has been around since December 23, 1998 Bosonic Apr 2014 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #28
My XP friend was retired 2.5 weeks ago Omaha Steve Apr 2014 #25
I hope it lasts longer than the two I had did CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #48
So glad I have a Mac and don't have to worry about Windows XP. RebelOne Apr 2014 #31
Congratulations on being such a clever consumer! Semivir Apr 2014 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2014 #34
People looking for a safe way to run Windows apps, look at this: cprise Apr 2014 #38
There's also PlayOnLinux which is supposed to be better than Wine. L0oniX Apr 2014 #59
That isn't a security product, however cprise Apr 2014 #64
Yay!! Another post for the fanboys and girls to say how good their fringe OS is!!! Thor_MN Apr 2014 #44
Well that's constructive cprise Apr 2014 #49
Yup, about as constructive as singing the praises of OSes that are marginal players. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #50
... cprise Apr 2014 #58
.. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #68
Obama uses Ubuntu. Is that good enough for you? L0oniX Apr 2014 #60
Unless it's being used by the company that pays me, I really don't care Thor_MN Apr 2014 #67
What does his staff use? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2014 #70
Message from two-bit bank just now ... CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #45
If you can't use Chrome ...change to a credit union. L0oniX Apr 2014 #61
I already belong to a credit union CountAllVotes Apr 2014 #65
Okay, 'fess up: who's still upset that they no longer support Windows '95? brooklynite Apr 2014 #47
I miss those days when everyones networked box was wide open. L0oniX Apr 2014 #62
This... sendero Apr 2014 #54
Your assuming Sgent Apr 2014 #55
I wouldn't put that beyond what MS would do. L0oniX Apr 2014 #63
No, you're wrong. Stop it! cprise Apr 2014 #66
Oh.. sendero Apr 2014 #69
Jury results pintobean Apr 2014 #71
What brave contrarians you are. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #72
It's not like he is advocating opening a linux terminal and typing sudo rm -rf L0oniX Apr 2014 #75
Indeed. Only leaving your data unprotected for the taking and cprise Apr 2014 #77

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
2. Assuming it is not bug free as of today
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:16 AM
Apr 2014

It will gradually get less and less secure as new exploits are uncovered but not patched.

Maybe Microsoft should make XP open-source...

cprise

(8,445 posts)
35. Until Vista, Windows security was designed by idiots
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:57 PM
Apr 2014

Greedy ones.

Then Vista came along with improved security, and focused that security architecture on screening the users' files to ensure they weren't copying anything the music and motion picture industry didn't want them to. People rebelled against Vista because this process made their computers slow and baulky.

They didn't get it even half right until Windows 7 because even with improved technology in Vista, the actual security of Microsoft customers was secondary.

SnowCritter

(810 posts)
15. A bug free Microsoft OS?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:17 AM
Apr 2014

heh, heh.

hee, hee.

whoo, whoo.

HA HA!

HA HA HA HA HA!


whew! Sorry, that was too much!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
5. I've got a few legacy machines that run our test systems here at work
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:27 AM
Apr 2014

They still run Win95.

We even have one system that's still running DOS.

I think we have 5 systems on XP, and I'm not worried. Of course, the internet connectivity is turned off on these systems.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
11. I was recently in an office
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:00 AM
Apr 2014

Which had an IBM PC-XT (Intel 8088 CPU and a 10 megabyte hard drive, running DOS 3.0) used as a printer server. It did one job, did it quite well, and they had no intention of replacing it as long as it kept running.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
73. Why should they load a new printer driver?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:04 AM
Apr 2014

They had a driver that worked with that PC and that printer, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

15 years ago, I worked for a company which had 300 Unix systems, split about evenly between Sun Solaris and AIX. All of the AIX boxes were running AIX Release 4.3, except for one, which ran AIX 3.10 -- which, at that time, was no longer supported by IBM. The reason for the sole exception was that it ran an application which was incompatible with AIX 4, from a company which had gone out of business. Of course, we had no source code for that application, and it would have cost a fair amount for us to re-write it. So, we continued to have that one machine running that outmoded and unsupported operating system. For all I know, it's still doing it.

sabbat hunter

(6,827 posts)
74. because if they are running
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 08:29 AM
Apr 2014

computers that use Windows 7 64bit, the would need the proper drivers available. For that matter, how are they even able to get 32bit drivers loaded up on it?

8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
40. i have a DOS machine
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:54 PM
Apr 2014

And a Win 95 machine. I use the dos machine for eprom burning and old school Motorola radio programming. Plus i still like the original Doom...

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
10. They'll pay and get support
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:33 AM
Apr 2014

Estimates suggest the big UK banks such as Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds Banking Group, Royal Bank of Scotland and Santender UK might pay up to $100 million (KES. 8.5 billion) each to keep their Windows XP support, combined with the costs to upgrade their ATMs to a more recent version of the OS. Microsoft does offer what it calls “Custom Support” for large business that includes updates for legacy programs.

http://www.techweez.com/2014/03/17/banks-paying-to-support-atms-running-windows-xp/

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
52. We got Windows 7 at work a year ago, and it was an adjustment, good and bad.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:54 PM
Apr 2014

It's definitely faster, especially during reboot, but some things are kind of stupid IMO, and more work than they used to me. I installed Classic Shell and Taskbar Tweaker and they saved the day, giving back a few lost XP features.

There are two things I LOVE about Windows 7:

You can move items around on the taskbar.

When you try to rename a file, it doesn't highlight the extension.

Other than that, I think XP was more user-friendly.


Edited to add: I have to start thinking about Windows 7 at home now, because the 4 GB RAM limit of XP is starting to wear on me.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
13. Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ...d/l and run the live CD first then install it. It's free and good.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:09 AM
Apr 2014

I suggest you install a new WD Raptor to install Ubuntu on. Grub will let you select which os to boot and when in Ubuntu you can move what you want from the xp drive over to Ubuntu. You can also run many winsux apps with Wine. Wife an I have been using Ubuntu for 5 years. I used FreeBSD before this and it is hard core which I loved but Ubuntu is so easy even a cave man could use it.

 

Jack for Sanders

(46 posts)
20. 99% of users have no idea what you just said.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:35 AM
Apr 2014

Nor do they care.

Most just want to turn the machine on and have it do stuff, like a TV.

There were some that couldn't wrap their head around clicking the start button to turn the damn thing off after all.


Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
26. Shit. Is THAT how you stop these damn things?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:22 PM
Apr 2014

"There were some that couldn't wrap their head around clicking the start button to turn the damn thing off after all."

cprise

(8,445 posts)
36. Yes, but remember the only good machine is
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:03 PM
Apr 2014

...one from which you can quickly and easily yank the power supply (be it a power cord or battery).

cprise

(8,445 posts)
39. You don't.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:47 PM
Apr 2014

If you discover its doing something surreptitious, like sending your keystrokes or location or microphone input to someplace on the Internet, you can wait for the battery to run down or take a sledgehammer to it if that's really necessary.

Telling it to 'shut down' is assurance of nothing, however.

There are ultrabooks that have removable batteries, and also nearly-ultrabook laptops that also have removable batteries. But none of them are Macs. The same goes for smartphones: Some have the battery sealed-in, and some have batteries that are still fairly accessible, but AFAIK none of that latter group are made by Apple.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
43. Close it. Grip it with both hands, one on each side of the case.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:19 PM
Apr 2014

Rapidly swing it forcefully against something rigid, such as a door frame. If the battery doesn't immediately pop out, repeat as needed.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
57. I should also point out
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:07 PM
Apr 2014

...that isolating the computer is also an effective way to deal with a malware threat. But this also relies on physical control over the machine:

On Thinkpad laptops and a couple other brands there is a switch (usually called "airplane mode&quot that physically deactivates the wireless hardware in the laptop. So if you don't have a wired network plugged into it, you can keep the laptop from continuing to upload information or attacking other computers in the vicinity.

On Macbooks (and most other Windows laptops) you tell the wireless cards to turn off through software commands using the keyboard or pointer. So, again, there is no assurance that an infected/hacked computer won't simply pretend to turn wireless off just as it can pretend to shut down.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
46. Linux Mint is an very popular Ubuntu derivative
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:56 PM
Apr 2014

It has come a long way towards being an idiot-proof OS. Highly recommended.

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2489

starroute

(12,977 posts)
18. I'm worried my online banking will stop accepting XP
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

The last time I logged on to pay some bills, I got a message pointing out that Windows was no longer supporting XP and saying something like "You can continue using XP to access online services at this time."

The bank already does weird things in the name of security -- like forcing you to change your password every few months, which means I have to keep it written down somewhere easily accessible because I can't just memorize it. But I'll be damned if I let them force me into using a version of Windows that I don't want and that my older computer may not be able to run.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
24. Your bank is probably warning you about the version of Internet Explorer your web browser
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:11 PM
Apr 2014

I think your bank is probably more concerned with your Web browser version and it's security and less about XP, although without new patches it will become more vulnerable.

The highest version of Internet Explorer you can run on XP is version 8 and Internet Explorer is now running on version 11 on newer versions of Windows.

You could probably still run XP and download Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox and be able to use online banking but you're taking risks and exposing yourself to malware and other exploits that could allow someone to attack your PC and steal personal data like logon accounts and passwords



starroute

(12,977 posts)
29. I use Firefox
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:04 PM
Apr 2014

The specific message from the bank is "Microsoft ® has announced that they will be discontinuing support for Windows ® XP on April 8, 2014. This means that they will no longer provide technical assistance or security updates for Windows XP systems. Although plans to end support for XP does not currently affect your access to QNB Bank's Online Banking service, we want to keep you informed so you can take appropriate action to ensure the continued security of your computer system."

Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
27. OpenSSL has been around since December 23, 1998
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:23 PM
Apr 2014

Today :

Scramble to fix huge 'heartbleed' security bug

A bug in software used by millions of web servers could have exposed anyone visiting sites they hosted to spying and eavesdropping, say researchers.

The bug is in a software library used in servers, operating systems and email and instant messaging systems.

Called OpenSSL the software is supposed to protect sensitive data as it travels back and forth.

It is not clear how widespread exploitation of the bug has been because attacks leave no trace.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26935905

Response to Bosonic (Reply #27)

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
31. So glad I have a Mac and don't have to worry about Windows XP.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:59 PM
Apr 2014

When I had a PC, I used to hate XP. That is why when my PC crashed, I just switched to a Mac Mini. I love this little computer. I have had it since 2009 with hardly any problems.

Response to RebelOne (Reply #31)

cprise

(8,445 posts)
38. People looking for a safe way to run Windows apps, look at this:
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 07:32 PM
Apr 2014
http://qubes-os.org

Version 2 will probably be released by this Fall, and it will be able to prevent Windows applications that become infected from affecting any other part of your system. You can keep banking, personal email, work, and 'misc untrustworthy' in separate secure domains.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
64. That isn't a security product, however
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:43 PM
Apr 2014

Simply running something on Linux does not make it terribly more secure (though you could say that was true perhaps 8-10 years ago).

Qubes actually uses Windows to run Windows apps. But it makes sure that both the Windows and Linux apps are contained in special virtual machines that prevent attacks from getting very far (most virtual machine products don't protect against exploits aimed at the graphics driver, cut and paste functions, network stack, etc, because they're designed for convenience not security).

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
50. Yup, about as constructive as singing the praises of OSes that are marginal players.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:44 PM
Apr 2014

Is there a smiley for irony?

Personally, I've been spending the last two months building out a new PC on which to develop a legacy app in VB6 and .Net. Windows 7 has cost me some hair with it's nanny state "you really don't want to do that" attitude. I've been paying the price for sloth of the lazy ass coders that preceded me.

That and laughing at the articles that say that the hackers of the world have been waiting for today to unleash a horde of exploits... Journalism is so dead: too many writers that haven't a clue what they are talking about.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
67. Unless it's being used by the company that pays me, I really don't care
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:36 AM
Apr 2014

Whatever you do in the privacy of your own office is your business.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
70. What does his staff use?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 06:16 AM
Apr 2014

And what genius did he bring in to get the wireless pci card working? (one of my favorite linux adventures)

CountAllVotes

(20,866 posts)
45. Message from two-bit bank just now ...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:47 PM
Apr 2014

To Our Valued Online Banking Customers:

Upgrade
Are you prepared for the end of Microsoft support?
Have you upgraded your operating system yet?
Time is running out!

As of April 8, 2014, Microsoft is no longer supporting Windows XP, Office 2003, and Exchange Server 2003. Without critical updates, your PCs could be vulnerable to malicious software. To ensure you remain on a supported version of Windows and Office, you need to upgrade.

Running Windows XP and Office 2003 in your environment after their end of support date may expose you to potential risks, such as:

- Software Issues
- Downtime
- Security Risks

To avoid these risks and others, visit Microsoft’s website for further instruction and information.

***********

I'd like to send them a message back to the two-bit bank requesting that they purchase a new computer for me to use so I'll be "secure".

Luckily, I have about $100.00 in this bank's account. They are indeed "two-bit".



As for the demise of XP Pro, I am sorry to see it go. It is by far the best OS that Microsoft had ever come up with.

I been through two "new" Windows 7 Pro computers. Both were dead and gone within a week.

A giant FU to Microsoft! Idiots that they are cannot even invent an OS that works before they opt to do away with the best thing they'd come up with to date.

As for the fanboys out there, I don't have approx. 4K for an new Apple Retina. It too is made in China.



 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
61. If you can't use Chrome ...change to a credit union.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:33 PM
Apr 2014

Beware ...Firefox does not have a security wrapper like Chrome and IEploder does.

CountAllVotes

(20,866 posts)
65. I already belong to a credit union
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:47 PM
Apr 2014

The two-bit bank is an acct. set-up for one thing -- sheer convenience.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
47. Okay, 'fess up: who's still upset that they no longer support Windows '95?
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:05 PM
Apr 2014

Seriously, technology moves on.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
54. This...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:00 PM
Apr 2014

.... has zero consequence for most computer users. XP updates are not really needed at this point. It has been updated forever and if you are running a decent firewall program (and you should be) then you will be fine.

XP was the first widely used stable Microsoft OS out there. It was a quantum leap from its predecessors. But time moves on, and Windows 7 and 8 are current now and 7 at least is a really solid improvement over XP. 8 has issues as MS is busy trying to play its old games and use its leverage to force folks into its game plan. It's not working because nothing will make MS a real player in the phone market now, their lack of vision finally caught up with them.

If you have an XP machine don't worry, it will continue to work for the vast majority of your needs. When it finally doesn't, break down and get a new machine

cprise

(8,445 posts)
66. No, you're wrong. Stop it!
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
Apr 2014

A computer can be attacked without having any services listening for connections on the Internet. They can be attacked via client applications, for instance if Firefox uses a Windows function that decodes a certain type of image file, or the way Windows handles DNS requests, etc. Since client applications have to rely on the Windows to handle some data-related functions, the computer can be attacked by sending malformed data, buffer overflow attacks and such.

A vulnerable computer that seems to "work" OK can easily be setting you up for some bad times, or using the computer as a platform to attack other people.

So, stop with the irresponsible "keep using it till it breaks" claptrap. You apparently know only enough to be dangerous to the people you advise.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
69. Oh..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:51 AM
Apr 2014

.... the humanity! Thousands of wolves at the door!

Chicken little, I stand by my assertions. If your computer becomes infected to the point it is not usable, you will have to ditch it and get another. Until then, even if it is technically under attack, who gives a shit. Millions of computers are operating with malware running on them with next to no impact to the user. Woop de doo.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
71. Jury results
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 06:43 AM
Apr 2014
On Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=775855

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Completely inappropriate and irresponsible "advice" to ignore malware threats.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:40 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: On the rude side. Too early for that.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster is stating their opinion. Reader will have to make their own decision.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a stupid alert. Disagreement with you on the hazards of malware is not a community standards issue.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Snarky, but just a difference of opinion.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's not very polite, but I don't think this rises to the level of alerting.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
77. Indeed. Only leaving your data unprotected for the taking and
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:57 AM
Apr 2014

letting criminals use your computer as a resource. 'No big deal.'

If DU as a website doesn't care about people disseminating what amounts to pro-malware propaganda, I'd hate to see what the karma looks like.

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