Windows XP users face end to Microsoft support
Source: BBC
Support for the venerable Windows XP operating system ends this Tuesday.
It means that there will be no more official security updates and bug fixes for the operating system from Microsoft.
Some governments have negotiated extended support contracts for the OS in a bid to keep users protected.
Security firms said anyone else using the 13-year-old software would be at increased risk of infection and compromise by cyber-thieves.
Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26884167
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And it won't magically stop working.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)It will gradually get less and less secure as new exploits are uncovered but not patched.
Maybe Microsoft should make XP open-source...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)the primary cause is the ID ten T error.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)Greedy ones.
Then Vista came along with improved security, and focused that security architecture on screening the users' files to ensure they weren't copying anything the music and motion picture industry didn't want them to. People rebelled against Vista because this process made their computers slow and baulky.
They didn't get it even half right until Windows 7 because even with improved technology in Vista, the actual security of Microsoft customers was secondary.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)SnowCritter
(810 posts)heh, heh.
hee, hee.
whoo, whoo.
HA HA!
HA HA HA HA HA!
whew! Sorry, that was too much!
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)SnowCritter
(810 posts)but IIRC, Open BSD comes close.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)They still run Win95.
We even have one system that's still running DOS.
I think we have 5 systems on XP, and I'm not worried. Of course, the internet connectivity is turned off on these systems.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)nobody writes viruses that attack those systems anymore.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Which had an IBM PC-XT (Intel 8088 CPU and a 10 megabyte hard drive, running DOS 3.0) used as a printer server. It did one job, did it quite well, and they had no intention of replacing it as long as it kept running.
sabbat hunter
(6,827 posts)they are able to load up the latest print drivers on that server.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)They had a driver that worked with that PC and that printer, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
15 years ago, I worked for a company which had 300 Unix systems, split about evenly between Sun Solaris and AIX. All of the AIX boxes were running AIX Release 4.3, except for one, which ran AIX 3.10 -- which, at that time, was no longer supported by IBM. The reason for the sole exception was that it ran an application which was incompatible with AIX 4, from a company which had gone out of business. Of course, we had no source code for that application, and it would have cost a fair amount for us to re-write it. So, we continued to have that one machine running that outmoded and unsupported operating system. For all I know, it's still doing it.
sabbat hunter
(6,827 posts)computers that use Windows 7 64bit, the would need the proper drivers available. For that matter, how are they even able to get 32bit drivers loaded up on it?
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)8 track mind
(1,638 posts)And a Win 95 machine. I use the dos machine for eprom burning and old school Motorola radio programming. Plus i still like the original Doom...
doxydad
(1,363 posts)Some banks and credit unions still use XP for their ATMs. yeah, that's a problem.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Estimates suggest the big UK banks such as Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds Banking Group, Royal Bank of Scotland and Santender UK might pay up to $100 million (KES. 8.5 billion) each to keep their Windows XP support, combined with the costs to upgrade their ATMs to a more recent version of the OS. Microsoft does offer what it calls Custom Support for large business that includes updates for legacy programs.
http://www.techweez.com/2014/03/17/banks-paying-to-support-atms-running-windows-xp/
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,020 posts)I really like the XP though . . . . .
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's definitely faster, especially during reboot, but some things are kind of stupid IMO, and more work than they used to me. I installed Classic Shell and Taskbar Tweaker and they saved the day, giving back a few lost XP features.
There are two things I LOVE about Windows 7:
You can move items around on the taskbar.
When you try to rename a file, it doesn't highlight the extension.
Other than that, I think XP was more user-friendly.
Edited to add: I have to start thinking about Windows 7 at home now, because the 4 GB RAM limit of XP is starting to wear on me.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I suggest you install a new WD Raptor to install Ubuntu on. Grub will let you select which os to boot and when in Ubuntu you can move what you want from the xp drive over to Ubuntu. You can also run many winsux apps with Wine. Wife an I have been using Ubuntu for 5 years. I used FreeBSD before this and it is hard core which I loved but Ubuntu is so easy even a cave man could use it.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)they rave about it.
Jack for Sanders
(46 posts)Nor do they care.
Most just want to turn the machine on and have it do stuff, like a TV.
There were some that couldn't wrap their head around clicking the start button to turn the damn thing off after all.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Jack for Sanders
(46 posts)Glad to be of help.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)"There were some that couldn't wrap their head around clicking the start button to turn the damn thing off after all."
cprise
(8,445 posts)...one from which you can quickly and easily yank the power supply (be it a power cord or battery).
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)If you discover its doing something surreptitious, like sending your keystrokes or location or microphone input to someplace on the Internet, you can wait for the battery to run down or take a sledgehammer to it if that's really necessary.
Telling it to 'shut down' is assurance of nothing, however.
There are ultrabooks that have removable batteries, and also nearly-ultrabook laptops that also have removable batteries. But none of them are Macs. The same goes for smartphones: Some have the battery sealed-in, and some have batteries that are still fairly accessible, but AFAIK none of that latter group are made by Apple.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Rapidly swing it forcefully against something rigid, such as a door frame. If the battery doesn't immediately pop out, repeat as needed.
cprise
(8,445 posts)...that isolating the computer is also an effective way to deal with a malware threat. But this also relies on physical control over the machine:
On Thinkpad laptops and a couple other brands there is a switch (usually called "airplane mode" that physically deactivates the wireless hardware in the laptop. So if you don't have a wired network plugged into it, you can keep the laptop from continuing to upload information or attacking other computers in the vicinity.
On Macbooks (and most other Windows laptops) you tell the wireless cards to turn off through software commands using the keyboard or pointer. So, again, there is no assurance that an infected/hacked computer won't simply pretend to turn wireless off just as it can pretend to shut down.
8 track mind
(1,638 posts)I would be willing to give this a shot
IDemo
(16,926 posts)It has come a long way towards being an idiot-proof OS. Highly recommended.
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2489
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)The last time I logged on to pay some bills, I got a message pointing out that Windows was no longer supporting XP and saying something like "You can continue using XP to access online services at this time."
The bank already does weird things in the name of security -- like forcing you to change your password every few months, which means I have to keep it written down somewhere easily accessible because I can't just memorize it. But I'll be damned if I let them force me into using a version of Windows that I don't want and that my older computer may not be able to run.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)neohippie
(1,142 posts)I think your bank is probably more concerned with your Web browser version and it's security and less about XP, although without new patches it will become more vulnerable.
The highest version of Internet Explorer you can run on XP is version 8 and Internet Explorer is now running on version 11 on newer versions of Windows.
You could probably still run XP and download Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox and be able to use online banking but you're taking risks and exposing yourself to malware and other exploits that could allow someone to attack your PC and steal personal data like logon accounts and passwords
starroute
(12,977 posts)The specific message from the bank is "Microsoft ® has announced that they will be discontinuing support for Windows ® XP on April 8, 2014. This means that they will no longer provide technical assistance or security updates for Windows XP systems. Although plans to end support for XP does not currently affect your access to QNB Bank's Online Banking service, we want to keep you informed so you can take appropriate action to ensure the continued security of your computer system."
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Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Today :
A bug in software used by millions of web servers could have exposed anyone visiting sites they hosted to spying and eavesdropping, say researchers.
The bug is in a software library used in servers, operating systems and email and instant messaging systems.
Called OpenSSL the software is supposed to protect sensitive data as it travels back and forth.
It is not clear how widespread exploitation of the bug has been because attacks leave no trace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26935905
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Omaha Steve
(99,494 posts)I wish him well!!!! He was a great friend.
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CountAllVotes
(20,866 posts)Note that word "did".
Dead and gone within 2 weeks.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)When I had a PC, I used to hate XP. That is why when my PC crashed, I just switched to a Mac Mini. I love this little computer. I have had it since 2009 with hardly any problems.
Semivir
(15 posts)Response to RebelOne (Reply #31)
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cprise
(8,445 posts)Version 2 will probably be released by this Fall, and it will be able to prevent Windows applications that become infected from affecting any other part of your system. You can keep banking, personal email, work, and 'misc untrustworthy' in separate secure domains.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)Simply running something on Linux does not make it terribly more secure (though you could say that was true perhaps 8-10 years ago).
Qubes actually uses Windows to run Windows apps. But it makes sure that both the Windows and Linux apps are contained in special virtual machines that prevent attacks from getting very far (most virtual machine products don't protect against exploits aimed at the graphics driver, cut and paste functions, network stack, etc, because they're designed for convenience not security).
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Is there a smiley for irony?
Personally, I've been spending the last two months building out a new PC on which to develop a legacy app in VB6 and .Net. Windows 7 has cost me some hair with it's nanny state "you really don't want to do that" attitude. I've been paying the price for sloth of the lazy ass coders that preceded me.
That and laughing at the articles that say that the hackers of the world have been waiting for today to unleash a horde of exploits... Journalism is so dead: too many writers that haven't a clue what they are talking about.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Whatever you do in the privacy of your own office is your business.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,321 posts)And what genius did he bring in to get the wireless pci card working? (one of my favorite linux adventures)
CountAllVotes
(20,866 posts)To Our Valued Online Banking Customers:
Upgrade
Are you prepared for the end of Microsoft support?
Have you upgraded your operating system yet?
Time is running out!
As of April 8, 2014, Microsoft is no longer supporting Windows XP, Office 2003, and Exchange Server 2003. Without critical updates, your PCs could be vulnerable to malicious software. To ensure you remain on a supported version of Windows and Office, you need to upgrade.
Running Windows XP and Office 2003 in your environment after their end of support date may expose you to potential risks, such as:
- Software Issues
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- Security Risks
To avoid these risks and others, visit Microsofts website for further instruction and information.
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I'd like to send them a message back to the two-bit bank requesting that they purchase a new computer for me to use so I'll be "secure".
Luckily, I have about $100.00 in this bank's account. They are indeed "two-bit".
As for the demise of XP Pro, I am sorry to see it go. It is by far the best OS that Microsoft had ever come up with.
I been through two "new" Windows 7 Pro computers. Both were dead and gone within a week.
A giant FU to Microsoft! Idiots that they are cannot even invent an OS that works before they opt to do away with the best thing they'd come up with to date.
As for the fanboys out there, I don't have approx. 4K for an new Apple Retina. It too is made in China.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Beware ...Firefox does not have a security wrapper like Chrome and IEploder does.
CountAllVotes
(20,866 posts)The two-bit bank is an acct. set-up for one thing -- sheer convenience.
brooklynite
(94,333 posts)Seriously, technology moves on.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts).... has zero consequence for most computer users. XP updates are not really needed at this point. It has been updated forever and if you are running a decent firewall program (and you should be) then you will be fine.
XP was the first widely used stable Microsoft OS out there. It was a quantum leap from its predecessors. But time moves on, and Windows 7 and 8 are current now and 7 at least is a really solid improvement over XP. 8 has issues as MS is busy trying to play its old games and use its leverage to force folks into its game plan. It's not working because nothing will make MS a real player in the phone market now, their lack of vision finally caught up with them.
If you have an XP machine don't worry, it will continue to work for the vast majority of your needs. When it finally doesn't, break down and get a new machine
Sgent
(5,857 posts)there are no 0 day exploits that have been held back to be released tomorrow.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)A computer can be attacked without having any services listening for connections on the Internet. They can be attacked via client applications, for instance if Firefox uses a Windows function that decodes a certain type of image file, or the way Windows handles DNS requests, etc. Since client applications have to rely on the Windows to handle some data-related functions, the computer can be attacked by sending malformed data, buffer overflow attacks and such.
A vulnerable computer that seems to "work" OK can easily be setting you up for some bad times, or using the computer as a platform to attack other people.
So, stop with the irresponsible "keep using it till it breaks" claptrap. You apparently know only enough to be dangerous to the people you advise.
.... the humanity! Thousands of wolves at the door!
Chicken little, I stand by my assertions. If your computer becomes infected to the point it is not usable, you will have to ditch it and get another. Until then, even if it is technically under attack, who gives a shit. Millions of computers are operating with malware running on them with next to no impact to the user. Woop de doo.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Oh..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=775855
REASON FOR ALERT
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Completely inappropriate and irresponsible "advice" to ignore malware threats.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:40 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: What a stupid alert. Disagreement with you on the hazards of malware is not a community standards issue.
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Explanation: It's not very polite, but I don't think this rises to the level of alerting.
cprise
(8,445 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)letting criminals use your computer as a resource. 'No big deal.'
If DU as a website doesn't care about people disseminating what amounts to pro-malware propaganda, I'd hate to see what the karma looks like.