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Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:35 PM

Pussy Riot Meets Hillary Clinton As Moscow Drops ‘Religious Hatred’

Source: inquisitr

During a Pussy Riot appearance on NBC’s Today Show Friday morning, interviewer Matt Lauer asked the pair if they believed Putin had ordered their release to show his “softer side” to the world before the 2014 Winter Olympic Games.

“When we got released, we didn’t have any illusions at all that Putin’s regime became more liberal,” replied Tolokonnikova.

Later at Lincoln Center, where the Women in the World Summit was held, Pussy Riot met likely 2016 Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, the former U.S. secretary of state.

Clinton hailed Tolokonnikova and Alyokhina, “strong” and “brave young women, who refused to let their voices be silenced.”


Read more: http://www.inquisitr.com/1200786/pussy-riot-meets-hillary-clinton-as-moscow-drops-religious-hatred-charges-video





Great to meet the strong & brave young women from #PussyRiot, who refuse to let their voices be silenced in #Russia. pic.twitter.com/7JVkZ9TYx3

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/452130729691201536/photo/1

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Reply Pussy Riot Meets Hillary Clinton As Moscow Drops ‘Religious Hatred’ (Original post)
onehandle Apr 2014 OP
NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #1
mopinko Apr 2014 #5
NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #6
mopinko Apr 2014 #7
Lefta Dissenter Apr 2014 #2
Cha Apr 2014 #3
MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #16
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JoeyT Apr 2014 #13
cprise Apr 2014 #15
treestar Apr 2014 #68
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Beacool Apr 2014 #23
cprise Apr 2014 #44
Beacool Apr 2014 #47
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karynnj Apr 2014 #65
Beacool Apr 2014 #72
karynnj Apr 2014 #73
Beacool Apr 2014 #75
L0oniX Apr 2014 #18
AAO Apr 2014 #20
RufusTFirefly Apr 2014 #21
AAO Apr 2014 #22
DeSwiss Apr 2014 #27
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JI7 Apr 2014 #12
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drynberg Apr 2014 #14
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MattSh Apr 2014 #19
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dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #26
DeSwiss Apr 2014 #28
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dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #31
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Beacool Apr 2014 #24
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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:10 PM

1. One of them is not like the others.

Let me count the ways....

Seven, at least.

Seven different ways.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:07 AM

5. i would help you count, but

pui

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Response to mopinko (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:16 AM

6. Skoal, er, skull, er....



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:27 AM

7. +++

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:23 PM

2. And a shameless plug,

Since the women of Pussy Riot spoke up for us here in Wisconsin, as well,

http://www.voiceproject.org/solidarity/

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:27 PM

3. No shame.. thank you!

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:50 AM

16. The thing that would make me believe in HRC's message would be...

…if she were to stand aside of those persons protesting in Wisconsin. Wouldn't it be nice to see Mrs. Clinton stand for another photo along side all those persons demonstrating, who after gutting state employees collective bargaining rights were arrested over and over again for SINGING songs in the Capital?

Capital police arrested protesters for doing participating in what their state constitution guarantees. They even arrested 14 year olds were arrested, and those tapping their foot to the sing-along.

It takes the AG's office to move to dismiss these charges.

These arrest records need to be addressed by WS Attorney General's office.

Wouldn't it have been nice for HRC to have something to say about THAT?

Pussy Riot did…

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:28 PM

4. K&R.. thanks onehandle.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:28 AM

8. Gosh! I'm going to rush out and buy all the brands featured in the backdrop!!!

I think I can best show my support for Pussy Riot by driving a Toyota to BofA (while talking on an AT&T phone) to open an account so I can write a check for my meds from Merck.



What a country!!


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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:33 AM

9. .

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:07 AM

11. Its convenient they're standing with a longtime Wal-Mart board member

who stood silent about the corporation's anti-unionism for the 6 years she was there. Hillary was also silent on OWS.
These neoliberals so love their foreign protesters, don't they?
Let's go shopping!!!


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Response to cprise (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:27 AM

13. Yeah, but only the foreign ones.

If Pussy Riot were an American protest movement, they'd get the Code Pink treatment, both from the Very Serious People, and on DU.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:24 AM

15. Especially if they dress like Republicans when they visit America

Those 3 could be headed to the RNC or even a funeral.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:51 AM

68. Code Pink is in the US to start with

there's no bravery in self expression here.

In Russia, there is something to protest. It's not a good representative Republic yet.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 12:11 PM

80. Yeah, Joey, sometimes we Americans forget

there are other voices in the wilderness.

Pussy Riot as a band? Nothing to see or hear there. As for a sexual revolution, been there, done that.

It is sad that these young Russians are being used as a tool. I would be delighted if hrc arranges for visas and a path to citizenship.

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Response to cprise (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:52 PM

23. Oh, please.........

Harping back to the 80s? As for the OWS, she was the SOS at the time. Domestic politics were not in her portfolio.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 10:38 PM

44. Clinton herself is a walking time capsule of 80s politics.

And "domestic politics" is what governors do. Do you think she had to ignore the issue at Walmart because Bill was governor?

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Response to cprise (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:17 PM

47. I was referring to your comment about the OWS.

She was SOS at the time.

As for Wal-Mart, she was the first woman in the board of directors. How much do you think that she could have accomplished at these meetings? She pushed for the inclusion of women and for a greener company. Wal-Mart and Tyson were two of Arkansas largest employers and yes, her husband was the governor.

What does any of this have to do with the OP?????

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Response to Beacool (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:33 PM

50. That is a load of lame excuses

And Pussy Riot supposedly supported the pro-union protesters in Wisconsin. You won't find Clinton standing with the latter group. Its a cynical photo op.

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Response to cprise (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:43 AM

65. Maybe she had to publicly ignore the issues at Walmart, because she was on the board then

In 2007/2008, there were Clinton people who spoke of her INTERNALLY pushing some of the issues with Wallmart (though obviously not getting them to change.) That could be true, but I never saw anything that actually proved that - but if something was done quietly, internally nothing would be seen outside the corporation. Given Clinton's background, I suspect that her voice was the leftmost voice at that table AND she was not silent. There is something to be said that it is good for someone to have a seat at that the table who is in the position to bring up issues. It could be that internal pressure DID prevent policies from being even worse.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #65)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:45 PM

72. She was the leftmost voice at the table.

They had been under a lot of criticism at the time because they had no women in the board of directors or in the upper management echelons.

Look at this pic, a bunch of white men, no diversity whatsoever in that photo. How much do you think that they listened to this young woman? They only met 4 times a year. How much influence could she have possibly had?



In 1986, Sam Walton, the founder of Wal-Mart, had a problem. He was under growing pressure from shareholders — and his wife, Helen — to appoint a woman to the company’s 15-member board of directors.

So Mr. Walton turned to a young lawyer who just happened to be married to the governor of Arkansas, where Wal-Mart is based: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

..........

In Mrs. Clinton’s complex relationship with Wal-Mart, there are echoes of the familiar themes that have defined much of her career: the trailblazing woman unafraid of challenging the men around her; the idealist pushing for complicated, at times expensive, reforms; and the political pragmatist, willing to accept policies she did not agree with to achieve her ends.

“Did Hillary like all of Wal-Mart practices? No,” said Garry Mauro, a longtime friend and supporter of the Clintons who sat on the Wal-Mart Environmental Advisory Board with Mrs. Clinton in the late 1980s and worked with her on George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign.

“But,” Mr. Mauro added, “was Wal-Mart a better company, with better practices, because Hillary was on the board? Yes.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



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Response to Beacool (Reply #72)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:54 PM

73. As I said

I stated it as "likely" only because I did not want to overstate my knowledge - and I obviously do not know who else was at the board.

I hope you see that what I wrote was a defense of Hillary.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #73)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:01 PM

75. Oh, I saw that was your intention.

I'm just reinforcing what you said. She focused on two causes while on the board: the inclusion of women and the environment. She was one person against a outdated corporate culture. I don't really know how much she could honestly have done to change their corporate culture.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 10:00 AM

18. DUzy!

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:54 AM

20. Wow, I drive a Prius, have a BOA credit card, have AT&T wireless and take Zocor for choleserol.

 

What the hell do I win??

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Response to AAO (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:09 PM

21. Congratulations! A souvenir flag!!

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:36 PM

22. Hokey Smokes! Thanks, Rufus!

 

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:54 PM

27. I want to see what you pick from Women's World myself!

- Please post the pics!!!!

K&R!

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:53 PM

33. Bwahaha! I guess I need to figure out my "color capsule" first.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 01:12 AM

10. Those girls are clearly persecuting christians by not converting.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:11 AM

12. evidence pussy riot involved in benghazi

and that's why we are being mean to putin . or something like that

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Response to JI7 (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:47 AM

66. lol



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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:21 AM

14. What? A photo with me and the Pussy Rioters? ok

Photo Op Time!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:59 AM

17. The wall behind them is interesting too.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:48 AM

19. Aren't their 15 minutes up yet?

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Response to MattSh (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:17 PM

25. Hopefully not

I hope they are just getting started!

Who would want such establishment shit disturbers to disappear....not counting Putin?

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:37 PM

26. just getting started ?

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova got started here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voina

She was 9 months pregnant when she performed anal sex in pubic. If that's not "getting started " I don't know what is.

Tolokonnikova and Verzilov joined the Voina art collective in 2007 and participated in several of their provocative art performances. In February 2008, they were involved in the "Fuck for the heir Puppy Bear!" performance in which couples were filmed engaging in sexual acts in the Timiryazev State Biology Museum in Moscow. The performance was apparently intended as a kind of satire of then President Dmitry Medvedev's call for increased reproduction. She was in the late stages of pregnancy at the time. Tolokonnikova was among the Voina members who disrupted a trial for the director of the Andrei Sakharov Center in 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadezhda_Tolokonnikova

There's a video of that if don't believe me - its easy to find by searching.

Aside from that Pussy Riot abandoned the two them a few months ago whilst at the same time they said they had left of their own accord. Whatever - they are no longer Pussy Riot.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:59 PM

28. !!!

''....She was 9 months pregnant when she performed anal sex in pubic...The performance was apparently intended as a kind of satire of then President Dmitry Medvedev's call for increased reproduction....''

- Satire? Is that what the kid's are calling it????


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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:37 PM

30. Shocking!!!!!!

Which that performance was supposed to be. I will assume you are somewhat ignorant of performance art that pushes boundaries to shock the public into thinking. There are many American artists through the decades that would fall under the same category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_art

And before that the DaDa movement which was born out of negative reaction to the horrors of World War I.

The reasoning behind that particular performance which was called Fuck for the heir Puppy Bear! was explained by one of the members:

"The performance was announced as a ritual for the bear totem. Plucer-Sarno explained the reason for the action the following way: "We do not have a goal to necessarily be radical provocateurs. We have a goal to be honest artists and tell what we think. We think that the government fucks the people, and the people like this. This is why the action 'Fuck for the heir Puppy Bear' was born". He also said in the same interview: "This is a portrait of pre-election Russia: everybody fucks each other, and the puppy bear looks at that with an unconcealed scorn.

Plucer-Sarno published in his blog a commentary by artist Maria Perchikhina that described the performance as an "act of subversive affirmation". According to this opinion, the taxodermic bear, which was the totem stimulus for the ritual, symbolized the Russian political system termed by "imitation democracy" by Dmitry Furman, and turned into the figure of the "chosen chief bear"".


You yourself may have too delicate of sensibilities to appreciate this brand of political artistic expression performance, but it got their message out about the farce of the election process in Russia.

Some art is meant to reflect beauty I myself am a nature based artist. I like to think my gift was given to show people why they should value wilderness and the value of fighting for the planet's survival. But I also appreciate that some art is meant to confront societal accepted norms to push the conversation. I have profound respect for these women who have the bravery, the audacity, and creativity to attempt such acts of art.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:39 PM

31. So do you think that would be ok in the USA ?

:sarcasm;

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 06:01 PM

38. You still don't get it.

The whole point of that kind of art is that it is NOT ok, especially with the ruling elite (and I guess those with fragile sensibilities).
In the USA there have been examples through the century of artists vilified in the main stream media;

One of the more notable was Piss Christ in 1987, by Andres Serrano, a photograph of a crucifix submerged in the artist's own urine.

Now someone may not approve of the statement of that expression, but if one cherishes freedom of expression, including political and artistic freedoms, one should at least grant them their voice. At least I think so. These kinds of artists are not the pastoral sunday painters, they are there to wake you up, cause a reaction (even a negative one), and make you think.

Even though I am a landscape painter who values the purity of beauty, or rather how we as humans define and create beauty in our minds, I also value the work of shit disturbers in the art world. What a boring place this world would be with only sunday painters.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:10 PM

46. No, you don't get it

When American leftists are thrown in jail there is scarcely any shock or surprise (or even recognition) from the establishment.

Least of all from people like Hillary Clinton.

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Response to cprise (Reply #46)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 03:12 PM

71. I don't understand your point

Firstly I wasn't responding to you, I was merely defending the much maligned world of politically charged performance and shock art.

I can only try and assume you are also assuming that I am praising Hillary Clinton because I support Pussy Riot? ...and they both appear together in a photo? Kind of a stretch.

I could go on about Hillary Clinton if you like, I have all kinds of opinions. Like most politicians, she has her good points and her bad. But that's not why I entered this thread. It was to show my support for Pussy Riot and defend their art performance background from those that would use that as a way to dismiss any value in their work.

I can say that like all politicians Hillary is an opportunist, and knows a photo-op like this will do for her younger progressive base. A photo-op with Code Pink....not so much. She's just doing what politicians do. In fact she may regret that photo-op as I think if even folks like yourself on a liberal site have a problem with Pussy Riot's past controversial performances, imagine what the GOP, Fox and Rush could do with it.

As far as Pussy Riots decision to pose with Hillary, its their choice. I'm sure they see her as an example of a strong powerful woman who in the past (and probably in the near future) was attacked relentlessly by a similar type of right wing regime in the US.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:00 PM

39. Absolutely!!

Not just Ok, but protected by the fundimental law of our great country.

What's your problem with it?

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:56 PM

78. Could the 'Fuck for the heir Puppy Bear' vid have been running in the background,

instead of the static wall of corporate logos, while HRC did her photo-op?
I don't think HRC would've allowed it.

Do you think Hillary would have posed for a photo-op if even a vid of something tame, like their Catholic Church protest were running in the background?


I don't think so. HRC has too many RC voters to think about.

This photo-op is the essence of political opportunism, on all sides.

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Response to delrem (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 08:39 PM

84. RE I don't think HRC would've allowed it...

So? What's your point?

Politics is all about taking opportunities to advance a cause I'm not sure what you have against it. I'm glad Pussy Riot got some recognition for their efforts in the cause of freedom and I'm glad Hillary is giving them and their cause some support.

What's the problem?

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:32 PM

85. That's my point, my friend. Your paragraph explains it perfectly.

Why do you think I have "a problem"? I'm just observing HRC go about her business.

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Response to delrem (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 8, 2014, 09:37 AM

87. Or, more accurately...

"I'm just observing HRC go about her business..."

Or, more accurately, "I'm just interpreting (in such as way as to better validate my biases) HRC go about her business..."

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #30)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:17 PM

43. Some art is meant to reflect beauty. . . .

Mapplethorpe managed to both shock and reflect beauty.

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Response to MattSh (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:05 PM

29. He said in the future.......

...not how far into the future.

- Maybe we're just not there yet.

"In the future, everyone will be world-famous for 15 minutes." ~Andy Warhol

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Response to MattSh (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 8, 2014, 10:16 AM

88. You are as transparent as the water.

We can all pretty much see right through you now.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:58 PM

24. Don't some of you ever tire of the constant nastiness?

The girls posed with Hillary at a women's forum. So f*cking what? That needed to elicit a slew of vituperative comments? Short of keeling over and dropping dead, is there anything Hillary could ever do that you folks wouldn't bitch about?

As for the corporate sponsors, who do you think defrays the cost of these events, or do you think that the venue and people that are required to put something like this together all come for free??

I don't know what kind of world you live in, but it must be some utopia.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:36 PM

34. It's valid to ask why Clinton stood with Pussy Riot but not Occupy Wall Street:

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:39 PM

35. OWS happened when she was SOS.

That was not her job. Whatever she thought of OWS, she was not going to say anything in public that would go against the administration.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:28 PM

49. For Hillary....they are an asset in the New Cold War...

which part of her agenda will be based upon and is good for business. Occupy, on the other hand, was a liability as it cut into corporate profits. Pretty simple really. Hillary knows which side the bread is buttered upon. All the corporate symbolism on the backdrop in this shot speak louder than any of us and seem quite fitting and poetic in this regard.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #49)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:15 AM

53. It's a photo of people who attended the same event.

Some of you need to chill. Sometimes a pic is just a pic.

Gee.............

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Response to Beacool (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:44 AM

58. We "chilled" already in the 80s and 90s

Bill Clinton killed off Glass-Steagal and media regulation, and now here we are.

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Response to cprise (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:57 PM

83. And now here we are

Only 10 times as bitter as we were before.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #83)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:41 PM

86. And a bit wiser. n/t

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Response to Beacool (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:02 PM

40. +10 (nt)

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Response to Beacool (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:26 PM

48. Clinton is a corporate event in herself: $400,000 to speak at *Goldman Sachs*

She is a Cartier 'warrior' and remains a Goldwater Republican in mindset.

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Response to cprise (Reply #48)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:17 AM

54. So freaking what if she got paid for two speeches????

Other than some of you, who gives a crap???

Damn, people on the Left can be just as tiresome as the Right wingers.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:40 AM

57. Yeah, well... just... just

...whatEVAR!

We have been just as tiresome as the Right wingers by pointing out corporate control over politics.

HA.

Do you have any idea how ironic your statement is? Or would that level of self-awareness burst your bubble of phony 'cool'?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:58 PM

79. Don't let the ideologs get on your nerves...

In the end, no one electable could ever pass their Presidential purity test. They'll be hating Elizabeth Warren in a year or two when she has to compromise to get something done or keep her seat. They are not going to quit the pointless snark until the primary is over and even then it will be because they will get kicked out if they don't.

I think they are addicted to abusing people on the internet. It's a little creepy.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:04 AM

51. "As for corporate sponsors" who bilked Americans into the poorhouse?

As for the corporate sponsors, who do you think defrays the cost of these events, or do you think that the venue and people that are required to put something like this together all come for free??

What kind of a prat thinks like this??

So now that the teamwork between corporate aristocrats and their paid-for politicians have sent us back to the Gilded Age in terms of wealth disparity, corporations get to run the civil society and activist organizations too???

Bull f*cking sh!t!!!

It is NOT ever acceptable to let such forces lead sexual and identity-related causes around by the nose and position them in opposition to economic populism, like some kind of human shield for the wealthy. Or as a pretext for international 'regime change'. Get that into your Clinton-worshipping heads!

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Response to cprise (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:26 AM

55. Who thinks like this?

Normal every day people think like this, not that you would know it.

If you don't approve of the Women of the World Summit, why should I or anyone else give a flying fig? It's a great event and I would have been there, but I had a previous engagement on Thursday.

Do me a favor and take out your aggressions with someone else. I don't give a crap what you think of me, or Hillary, for that matter.





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Response to Beacool (Reply #55)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:52 AM

60. Hillary lost to Obama because she was too right wing

FYI lots of people DO care now.

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Response to cprise (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:53 AM

61. Well, then the joke is on them, isn't it?

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Response to cprise (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:48 AM

59. These women were together at the Women of the World Summit

There were several very successful influential women there from many walks of life. You are trashing her for things she has done in other aspects of her life rather than focusing of any of the positives. Maybe you should research this summit a bit, find out why all of the brilliant women were meeting rather than blathering off 20 year old talking points.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #59)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:10 AM

62. "20 year old talking points"; IOW she's had 20 years to speak out

or do something positive for the labor movement, which has done more for women than 1,000 Hillary Clintons would ever dare.

Maybe this conference should be called "Feminism for the 1% and their foreign policy lapdogs".

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Response to cprise (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 01:32 AM

63. This isn't something held or featured by a HRC,

this summit has nothing to do with your peeve with Hillary. As I stated previously this was a chance for many women from different paths, experiences, & likeminded goals in mind to meet, address these issues & discuss ways of improving these situations. In this case it involved women's issues. If you think HRC has not valueable information to ad to this type of discussion, you are sorely mistaken.

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Response to cprise (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:49 AM

67. Or maybe you are wrong in your out and out prejudice against

"corporations?"

Maybe the money they spend is not always for evil? They allowed these two young women at this event, so perhaps some "corporations" are actually supporting liberal policies, here, in terms of speech.

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Response to treestar (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:35 PM

82. There is a platitude in there that would make a great sampler

...suitable for framing...

"Love Thy Corporations
For They Art Big 'ol Misunderstood Schmucks
And The Meal Ticket For Thine Activists"


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Response to cprise (Reply #82)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:29 PM

90. There is no doubt even corporations

sometimes support liberal media. There are many different corporations and other types of business organizations that do some good with their profits. That's why it begins to sound like blathering when people rant about the "corporations" rather than the Conservatives or Big Right Wing Business.

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Response to treestar (Reply #90)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:00 PM

93. Big corporations are Big Right Wing Business by definition.

They have a legal responsibility to put no interest above shareholder profit, and can be sued if they do otherwise.

When big corporations support leftist causes, they are either doing it under principled management of their founders (and taking a big risk) or as a way to toss us a bone in exchange for good PR or as a way to wrest control of a movement that's been troublesome for them.

You can see the overall negative effect -

How have these corporations colonised our public life?
Our politicians have delegated power to global giants engineering a world of conformity and consumerism
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/08/corporations-public-life-unilever

Global Rankings Study Depicts an America in Warp Speed Decline
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/global-rankings-study-depicts-america-warp-speed-decline?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark

Its like relying on charity to fight poverty: It didn't work in ages past and it didn't work in the 90s and 2000s when our politicians touted the "thousand points of light", corporate and faith-based charities while gutting worker rights and welfare programs.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 11:05 AM

70. Oh, they used to lock threads about Pussy Riot

"Royal Court plans Pussy Riot readings on day of trial verdict"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014192569

Note the hidden reply:
This message was hidden by Jury decision.

2. locking ... not national interest news

A Jury voted 4-2 to hide this post on Mon Aug 13, 2012, 06:18 PM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.


Yup - after it was locked, I alerted on the lock, pointing out that disrupted the discussion, and jurors agreed.

Improperly locking threads is disruptive and inappropriate.

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Response to bananas (Reply #70)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:57 PM

74. I agree.

I don't get why it was locked.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:42 PM

32. WTF

These three have mores balls then I. Strong women, who walk the walk and talk the talk. Two when to fucking jail in Russia, the other has had her her ass kicked by the craziest in this country for years.
Put yourself on the line like they have, and then maybe your comments might mean something. Untill then, STFU.

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Response to Zo Zig (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:42 PM

36. Hear, hear!!!

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Response to Zo Zig (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:10 PM

42. These Women...

...are warriors.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:46 PM

37. Can they stay in the USA? be safer for them here.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:09 PM

41. Where freedom is...

"Where freedom is", said Benjamin Franklin, "there is my country," "Where freedom is not," replied his friend Paine, "there is mine,"

These women are warriors.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:05 PM

45. You said it reACTIONary

Free Pussy Riot

Go Pussy Riot!

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:15 AM

52. Yeah, American protesters don't go to jail.

Though its safer because we throw more people in prison... all those deserving criminals.




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Response to cprise (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:58 AM

69. not to russian labor camps, beaten by Cossacks or 'gangs' spray paint in eyes






Mrs. Clintons right, they are very brave woman.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 03:17 PM

81. If she doesn't have kind words for American protesters who are attacked

and are thrown into "the pokey"--one of many rape references often made with relish, even by members of the criminal "justice" system who make it their duty to discourage investigations of prison rape)

--then, pray tell, what is her point?

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:42 AM

64. +1

Though they probably don't want to, as it may be hard to change Russia from here - though Sarah Palin could help, she's supposed to have dealt with Putin from Alaska.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:07 PM

77. One of them has got Canadian residency.

Do you mean she'd be safer in the US than Canada ?

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:29 PM

89. America? The country with the largest prison population in the world?

We got more prisoners than Russia and China combined.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:32 PM

91. Proving the raw number is meaningless

You aren't seriously claiming either of those countries has a better justice system?

In a country where speech can get you imprisoned, numbers don't matter.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 12:30 AM

56. I just want to hear Hillary say "Pussy Riot" out loud

but I bet that'll never happen.

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Response to paulkienitz (Reply #56)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:04 PM

76. LOL

I thought exactly the same thing! I want to hear (and see) Hillary say "Pussy Riot." But you're right - she never will, and in this Internet age, for good reason!

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:37 PM

92. Yay!

 

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:08 PM

94. Awesome.

I hope they comment on our prison system at some point, and I don't mean that snarkily.

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