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Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:18 PM

Report: Police look at new photos in Kurt Cobain death

Source: CBS News

SEATTLE - Seattle police are looking at some new evidence in the death of Nirvana lead singer Kurt Cobain, who was found dead of a gunshot wound in his home near Lake Washington in April 1994, reports CBS affiliate KIRO.

Authorities initially ruled Cobain's death a suicide and said he had taken a lethal dose of heroin prior to shooting himself. Now, according to KIRO, police are taking a look at four recently developed rolls of film that were found in Cobain's home at the time of his death.

The station reports the 35mm film was developed last month by the King County Sheriff's Office photo lab under high security.

Detective Renee Witt, a spokesperson for the Seattle Police, told the Washington Post that a detective was going through Cobain's case file because of the approaching 20th anniversary of his death and came across the old and undeveloped film.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-look-at-new-photos-in-kurt-cobain-death/



Maybe Courtney better lawyer up?

Seriously, I don't get why they're using up taxpayer money on this, Kurt's been gone 20 years.

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Reply Report: Police look at new photos in Kurt Cobain death (Original post)
groundloop Mar 2014 OP
uhnope Mar 2014 #1
KurtNYC Mar 2014 #26
bigworld Mar 2014 #2
Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #3
Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #11
LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #4
RebelOne Mar 2014 #18
unblock Mar 2014 #5
Mnemosyne Mar 2014 #6
cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #28
bamacrat Mar 2014 #33
cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #35
bamacrat Mar 2014 #36
MicaelS Mar 2014 #7
PatrynXX Mar 2014 #14
CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #19
yurbud Mar 2014 #24
meanit Mar 2014 #8
Warpy Mar 2014 #13
A Simple Game Mar 2014 #17
JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #9
AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #10
PeteSelman Mar 2014 #12
zonkers Mar 2014 #20
GReedDiamond Mar 2014 #22
Tx4obama Mar 2014 #15
sofa king Mar 2014 #16
SkatmanRoth Mar 2014 #21
cbdo2007 Mar 2014 #27
They_Live Mar 2014 #23
Javaman Mar 2014 #25
JoDog Mar 2014 #29
libodem Mar 2014 #30
bamacrat Mar 2014 #34
Reter Mar 2014 #31
pnwest Mar 2014 #32

Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:22 PM

1. I'm no CTer but...

it would be pretty easy to get away with killing an already-suicidal heroin junkie.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:33 AM

26. "a lethal dose of heroin prior to shooting himself. " ?!

That was their conclusion?!

The expression "blowing smoke up one's rear" comes from the stupor that opium users experience during the high. They can't even smoke their own opium at some point so they could pay someone else to smoke it and then literally blow smoke up their ass. Speculating that one could handle a gun with a lethal dose of heroin already ingested is perhaps a stretch.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:22 PM

2. Why the hell wasn't that looked at 20 years ago? <nt>

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:22 PM

3. A truly competent police detective

would simply have developed the film, looked it over and decided if it meant anything skipping this dog and pony show.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:51 PM

11. Normally I'd agree, but

sometimes it really is better to come out and announce it and have control of the message, lest someone start whispering and the story takes on a life of its own and it spirals out of control...

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:23 PM

4. Do you think there should be a statute of limitations on murder.

If new evidence has been uncovered, of course it should be investigated. 20 years old or not.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:23 PM

18. There is no statute of limitations on murder. n/t

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:24 PM

5. sounds like a case for ucos!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tricks

New Tricks is a British comedy-drama that follows the work of the fictional Unsolved Crime and Open Case Squad (UCOS) of the Metropolitan Police Service. Originally led by Detective Superintendent Sandra Pullman, it is made up of retired police officers who have been recruited to reinvestigate unsolved crimes. The series title is taken from the proverb "You can't teach an old dog new tricks".

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:27 PM

6. As I understand it, there were no fingerprints on either the gun nor the bullets. He was not found

wearing gloves. Weird is all I know.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

28. Well they had to pry the shotgun out of his hands....so they probably didn't feel the need

to take fingerprints?

LOL, the guy was extremely depressed, a huge drug addict for many years, and hated his life...it's a much farther stretch to think he was murdered than to think he committed suicide when there's where 95% of the evidence points.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:09 PM

33. Both hands were around the barrel and his shoes were on...

Kurt was a very short guy, 5'6 ish, he physically couldn't have pulled the trigger. Even if you pay no attention to the fact that he has so much heroin in his system he probably would have died or been comatose anyway, he couldn't have pulled the trigger.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:55 PM

35. Dateline asked 5 medical examiners about this....

and 2 out of 5 said he would have been able to pull the trigger, and the other 3 said it was inconclusive. None of them said he couldn't have pulled the trigger due to the heroin level in his system, and no rational argument has argued that someone who is only 5'6" couldn't have taken the shot.

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 02:34 PM

36. Even if you take the heroin level out..

the fact he had both hands around the barrel/on his chest and his shoes on removes his ability to pull the trigger. Also the shotgun used was a full length shot gun, no short barrel or anything so while technically possible for a person of his size to do it, it is highly unlikely.

This was sloppy police work and suicide was the easy answer, there have been many independent investigators who say it was not a suicide. Also, if only 2 out of 5 say he pulled could have pulled the trigger, shouldn't that raise more questions?

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:30 PM

7. Some people claimed he was murdered.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:04 PM

14. yeah I'm one of them

I'm not exactly demanding them to do things now but hey 20 yrs later sheesh.. that and Courtney never was right in the head..

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:30 PM

19. Me Too

I always believed CL killed him. But I do understand the suicidal mind so who knows.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:06 AM

24. my theory is he started to get off heroin and realized he had married Courtney Love

and that's why he killed himself.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:32 PM

8. The article says

that the newly developed films depict the scene better than the police Polaroid photos.
As someone pointed out, does that mean someone photographed the scene before the police got there and left the undeveloped films in the house?

Sounds very strange.

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Response to meanit (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:58 PM

13. Polaroids fade over time and old film often gives interesting results

I think it's just a case of dotting an aye and crossing a tee in this case.

A murder would have stopped with the heroin OD, the gun wasn't necessary. A determined suicide would do both, pulling the trigger as he slipped into unconsciousness and thinking he would feel no pain, sadly not the case. Murder by OD is easy, just slip him a hot supply.

Somebody just thought he'd save the department money back then by not bothering to develop the 35 mm film shot at the scene.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:18 PM

17. But how would they know what was on the film if they never developed them? Seems they had

decided, and/or were just plain lazy, that it was suicide and didn't want to allow anything to question that decision. Personally if I were the original investigator I would have been too curious not to have the films developed.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:39 PM

9. 20 years or not

It's worth it to take a look and see where it leads.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:39 PM

10. Oh boy! Geraldo is going to open the vault!

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 05:52 PM

12. The popular theory is that punk rocker Alan Wrench did Cobain.

El Duce from The Mentors was approached about doing it but he refused and then he talked about it. He "accidentally" got hit by a train soon after.

Courtney Love set it up. Fact? Who knows? But I can see it. He was surrounded by sleazeballs.

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 07:44 PM

20. Ha! El Duce! I remember him from Al's Bar. Remember when the Replacements played there. Boy,

am old.

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:03 PM

22. I used to hang out occasionally with El Duce...

...in the early 80s, when my band played at the Cathay de Grande, he'd often be there.

We usually discussed our Camco drums, the both of us being drummers...although, unlike myself, he did at least sometimes use dildos in place of regular drum sticks.

He was actually a very nice guy, funny, not the "scary" porn persona one may have expected.

And I remember the story of how Courtney tried to get him to off Kurt, he refused, and was somehow hit and killed in a "train accident" after that.

I have always thought that that story was not right at all.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:06 PM

15. Seattle police: Ignore tweets saying Kurt Cobain's death probe is reopened (CASE CLOSED)


Seattle police: Ignore tweets saying Kurt Cobain's death probe is reopened

(CNN) -- Despite what you may read on your Twitter timeline, the Kurt Cobain death probe has not been reopened, a Seattle Police spokeswoman told CNN Thursday.

"Mr. Cobain is still deceased and the case is still a suicide," Det. Renee Witt said. "We did not reopen the case."

The department's cold-case detective Mike Ciesenski recently pulled the case file to refresh himself because of the media interest connected to the 20th anniversary of the death on April 4, Witt said.

Det. Ciesenski found four rolls of undeveloped film in the file, which he then had printed. The crime scene images he found were "benign, nothing that was new or anything that would change the outcome of the investigation," she said. "It still remains a suicide."

-snip-

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/showbiz/kurt-cobain-death-probe/index.html



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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 06:07 PM

16. If El Duce did it, I'll crap my pants.

Before committing suicide by standing on the railroad tracks and offering a seig-heil salute to confused onlookers, El Duce claimed that he was involved in Cobain's death, or at least had knowledge of it. (Duce's own cause of death was was officially described as "misadventure.")

El Duce was an asshole and a misogynist, the frontman of a band so moronically offensive it is unworthy of mention. He was never, ever serious. So it was easy to discount his claims. But here there are:

In the mid-nineties, after the death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain, Hoke began making the claim that Cobain's wife, Courtney Love, had offered to pay Hoke to kill Cobain. Hoke promoted his story in such media outlets as TV's Jerry Springer Show, The National Enquirer weekly tabloid, and in Nick Broomfield's documentary film, Kurt & Courtney. El Duce claimed in the film, Kurt & Courtney, that he knew who killed Cobain, but said he would "let the FBI catch him". Two days after that interview was filmed, El Duce was hit by a train and killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldon_Hoke

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 08:15 PM

21. I am confused about the rolls of film

Are the four rolls of film taken by a police photographer or is it film exposed by some individual in the house prior to the arrival of the police?

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Response to SkatmanRoth (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:18 AM

27. these were just duplicate rolls of film that the police took at the scene

with clearer pictures than the originals. Nothing new, just better quality than before.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:40 PM

23. Did Courtney's new book come out yet?

Is this what passes for buzz these days?

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:24 AM

25. They only now developed the film? nt

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:45 AM

29. In 1994, I was a 17-year-old Nirvana fan

who had just been diagnosed with depression. Needless to say, Kurt's death hit me hard.

Years later, I heard about Tom Grant and his theory that Kurt had not killed himself. While I think that the evidence Grant turned up is far from conclusive, I do think it is enough warrant another look at the case by the police. If nothing else, it would put the rumors to rest.

My opinion is that there were a lot of indicators that Kurt's death was more than it seemed. There were people in his life who had means, motive and opportunity (particularly if, as Grant suggests, Kurt wanted to retire from mainstream music and divorce his wife) to end him. However, I also think we must be respectful of Kurt Cobain's closest family and friends, many of whom accept the conclusion of suicide and do not support reopening the case. This group includes his father and daughter.

I am not sure we will ever know exactly what happened in that greenhouse 20 years.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:49 AM

30. I'm still waiting for the movie

My man Brad Pitt, is getting too long in the tooth to play him.

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Response to libodem (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 01:12 PM

34. He's also WAY too tall.

Jared Leto would make a good Kurt though.

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:54 AM

31. I'm no CT, but I always though Courtney did it

Wonder what could be on the film? You "don't get why they're using up taxpayer money on this?" So you don't care if his killer is walking?

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Response to groundloop (Original post)

Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:53 PM

32. May I shed a little light here? The cop

was interviewed on local news last night, and the reporter actually did ask him since these new photos showed nothing new, and actually reinforced the original findings, is this closed case going to stay closed now, 20 years later? He said yeah, until the 25th anniversary rolls around.

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