Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:26 PM
stubtoe (1,854 posts)
Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood
Source: Reuters
Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum told Puerto Ricans on Wednesday they would have to make English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution. Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-puertorico-idUSBRE82D16Z20120314 Ooooo, talkin' tough. The popularity contest has gone to his head, methinks.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:31 PM
sakabatou (29,246 posts)
1. Where's my fucking clue-by-four?!
Response to sakabatou (Reply #1)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:50 PM
cstanleytech (5,491 posts)
11. Did you check to see if you left it wedged upside the back of Santorums head?
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Mind you that would be one heck of a shot for you to have tried though on him seeing as he does tend to keep his head well protected by leaving it shoved up inside his ass.
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Response to harun (Reply #2)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:56 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
97. Yeah, that's gonna go over big!
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:33 PM
Hell Hath No Fury (14,414 posts)
3. Keep digging, asshole.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:34 PM
RKP5637 (25,784 posts)
4. POS*** is Santorum. n/t
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:35 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,876 posts)
5. santorum = Una mezcla espumosa de lubricante y materia fecal, la cual suele ser el producto de
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:36 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) sexo anal.
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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #5)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:40 PM
rfranklin (13,200 posts)
7. El sabor favorito de los Republicanos...
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Ellos comen mierda diariamente.
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Response to rfranklin (Reply #7)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:49 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,876 posts)
10. Y se la sirven a sus seguidores en bandeja diciendoles que es caviar. nt
Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #10)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:08 PM
Rozlee (1,411 posts)
30. Si digo lo que estoy pensando...
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:13 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) ...me censuran mi commento.
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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #5)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:42 PM
louis-t (12,543 posts)
84. Uh, I don't speak Spanish, but I get the drift.....
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oh, and Santorum is a complete asshole.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:39 PM
Xipe Totec (29,971 posts)
6. What's the point of speaking English, if you don't read the constitution? nt
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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #6)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:15 PM
MBS (4,370 posts)
43. Excellent point! : ) n/t
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:40 PM
Iliyah (2,503 posts)
8. Zippity do da
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:41 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) helluva nerve there asswipe!
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:44 PM
dipsydoodle (33,146 posts)
9. Puerto Rico to Santorum.
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Fuck off.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #9)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
LeftishBrit (29,746 posts)
34. Or
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Vayase a la mierda!
(One of the few Spanish phrases I know, taught me by a helpful Spanish friend!) |
Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #34)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:56 PM
dipsydoodle (33,146 posts)
35. lol
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F.O. is pretty universal.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #35)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:34 PM
liberal N proud (43,918 posts)
83. But Santorum wouldn't know what you said in Spanish
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
brooklynite (13,081 posts)
12. Rick Santorum is the best think Mittens has going for him...
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Romney will keep saying goofy, pandering things, causing him to stumble along the campaign trail, but he can always count on Ricky to blow his forward momentum with a statement that veers off of blue-collar economics into Tea Party land.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mz Pip (23,886 posts)
13. Does Puerto Rico even want statehood?
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Seems like this comes up every once in a while but it seems PR is content with the status quo.
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #13)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:29 PM
iscooterliberally (383 posts)
21. I was thinking the same thing.
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I haven't been down there in over 20 years, but I remember that not too many people wanted to be the 51st state.
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Response to iscooterliberally (Reply #21)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
Indianademocrat91 (385 posts)
65. Does he think this will make them happy?
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How does telling a "territory" to pretty much fuck off unless you change to my ways get him any votes? I can't believe there are that many idiots in Puerto Rico...maybe I'm wrong
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Response to Indianademocrat91 (Reply #65)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:26 AM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
74. That same attitude shown by Mr. Sanctmonious pRick...
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is what's keeping Puertorricans from embracing statehood. Statehood would not change their status as second class citizens.
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Response to Lost-in-FL (Reply #74)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
BlancheSplanchnik (7,773 posts)
86. you said it. I wouldn't want to
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join a club that clearly let me know they thought I was s&*#t
Off topic, too---where the heck did you get that avatar? It's great! I want the sticker!! |
Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #86)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:41 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
91. Lol... found on FB
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I wish they had one too. DU should create one to place on sale. Lol!! |
Response to Lost-in-FL (Reply #91)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 03:16 PM
BlancheSplanchnik (7,773 posts)
92. That's the truth!!!
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I don't see a DU store anymore, though
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Response to Indianademocrat91 (Reply #65)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:47 PM
iscooterliberally (383 posts)
89. I honestly don't think Santorum thinks much at all.
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It seems like he only opens his mouth to change feet.
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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #13)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:14 AM
BiggJawn (23,051 posts)
77. The way we're imploding?
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I figure they're thinking of aligning with Cuba...
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:54 PM
Skittles (87,032 posts)
14. LOL THEY ARE TRYING TO OUT-TEABAG EACH OTHER
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:54 PM
unionworks (3,574 posts)
15. Puerto Rico
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:18 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Puerto Rico has lost a disproportionately high number of its sons and daughters in our wars. Santorum needs his mouth washed out with soap.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:58 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
16. Sanitorium, speak Iriquois, or any other Original Native America if you want to be in this country.
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:10 PM
lastlib (3,905 posts)
17. America to Santorum: If you want to be President,
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stop speaking Dipshit.
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Response to lastlib (Reply #17)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:18 PM
Xipe Totec (29,971 posts)
20. The problem with closed minds is that they're always attached to open mouths nt
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:13 PM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
18. Just keep talking holy ricky, keep on talking. you sure are talking yourself out of president and
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maybe a VP. The nerve of this guy. I am originally from PA. I should say I was just born there. Didn't spend much time growing up there. He reminds me of my Italian relatives (2d generation) telling my mother who was from Italy your in america and now you have to speak american. I think it is terrible.
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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #18)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:02 AM
mackattack (344 posts)
75. Brockway, PA?
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By chance?
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Response to mackattack (Reply #75)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
78. Na, it was Carbondale, PA. My mother couldn't even have a friend who lived next door
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who was a hispanic. They had children and we were allowed to play together. But we found ways to get around that. My parents didn't raise us to hate. They always said the more you meet people of other backgrounds the more comfortable to be around others. They were right.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:16 PM
Ian David (68,663 posts)
19. Everything Santorum knows about Puerto Rico he learned from West Side Story. n/t
Response to Ian David (Reply #19)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,750 posts)
36. "when you're a jet, you're a jet all the way....
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from your first cigarette to your last dying day." That will be running through my head all night.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:30 PM
crunch60 (1,412 posts)
22. Santorum, get a clue, learn to speak Spanish! Try a little cultural enlightment!
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:34 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) This is a bilateral country whether you like it or not. Of course, I realize your not big on education. You are as ignorant as they come!
tener un buen día imbécil ignorante! |
Response to crunch60 (Reply #22)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:16 AM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
79. He doesn't even realize that Italian and Spanish are almost some of the same words if you
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take the time to listen. He is an idiot.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:33 PM
SDjack (1,075 posts)
23. Probably, Santorum's message was not the Puerto Ricans.
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They just happened to be present to reflect his position on language to the RW nutters in the States.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
LittleGirl (914 posts)
24. this would only make sense if the USA had English as the
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standard language, don't you think?
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:46 PM
Aviation Pro (7,679 posts)
25. At this rate....
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...if Foamy gets the nomination he'll sweep his immediate family in the general election.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:56 PM
mackattack (344 posts)
26. Did Santorum win Louisiana?
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:57 PM
HockeyMom (10,818 posts)
27. Hey, Santorum. My Grandpa only spoke ITALIAN
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Take that one.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:00 PM
mackattack (344 posts)
28. He is a socialist!!!!!
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Doesnt the invisible hand of the free market say that you can speak whatever language you want as long as you can make a living while doing it. Why does Mr. Santorum hate capitalism?
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:08 PM
demosincebirth (8,973 posts)
29. As if the republicans want Puerto Rico as a state.
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
MarianJack (7,327 posts)
31. Uh, Little ricky, My wife is Puerto Rican.
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She, her immediate family, her extended family and the family friends we met when we visited Puerto Rico a few years back can ALL speak English better than that little shit has ever spoken in his life.
It amazes me how often racist dipshits like little ricky think that speaking more than one language is a sign of ignorance. I truly hope that little ricky is the nominee so that President Obama can mop the floor with him from coast to coast. PEACE! |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
TNLib (905 posts)
32. Fuck you Santorum
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I went to Puerto Rico last Feb and the only place I had a hard communicating with anyone was in the Miami National Airport. Most people I dealt with PR spoke fluent english and fluent Spanish.
So fuck you Santorum it's obvious you havent' been to PR. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:32 PM
sulphurdunn (3,667 posts)
33. Are there Puerto Ricans
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who don't speak English?
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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #33)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:07 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,750 posts)
39. In my experience, no...
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my ex-fiance was Puerto Rican, and had a very large family. Her parents and grandparents were born there. They knew how to speak english even before they moved to Ohio.
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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #33)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:15 PM
Bacchus4.0 (2,142 posts)
42. yep, quite a few. I am guessing at least a third
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have limited to very limited English skills.
and a third speak English fluently and a third in between. the statehood supporters make up about 45% so its a non-issue right now outside of the island anyway. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
Octafish (33,944 posts)
38. Gee. It's as if the guy ever did a patriotic thing in his life.
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Hey, chickenhawk rick! These guys had Spanish sounding surnames.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:09 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (15,276 posts)
40. No he dit-n't. This guy has a total political death wish!! Where's his wife to set him straight?
Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:19 PM
Blaze Diem (3,384 posts)
44. Submissively waiting for him to allow her to speak
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no doubt
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:13 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
41. Juán del Pueblo to Santorum: "Raspate pa'l carajo a comer Santorum" (Go to hell n eat Santorum)
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:14 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) If he is for implementing "state laws" which he chooses to use those to promote hate towards the GLBT, immigrants, et al., purely out of party politics and his extremist christianity... then why can't PRs choose to keep Spanish as their language of choice under THEIR state law? Or is he now against state law?
"O the pintas o the haces rolos?" |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:27 PM
carla (396 posts)
45. Santorum
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se debe cerrar la boca. La mierda esta saliendo de dos aperturas me parece
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:31 PM
gejohnston (12,830 posts)
46. After watching
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what some asshole Anglos did (and continue to do) to Arizona (not so much New Mexico as far as I can tell) after statehood and mass produced air conditioning:
Sun City Jan Brewer Stazi Sheriff Joe Why would they want statehood? |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:34 PM
sikorsky (96 posts)
47. Santorum is a moron for many reasons, obviously, but I don't get the hysterical opposition to
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having English be our 'official' language. I've made it a point to learn enough of the local languages in every country I've visited/worked in (actually 52 countries so far) to at least navigate around and conduct basic human activity (finding lodging, food, bathroom, phone, transportation, etc.). I'm reasonably fluent in Spanish, Italian and French and I can 'get by' in Japanese, Portuguese and German...certainly not able to translate novels but well enough to survive. I've found that just making the effort reaps enormous benefits...most 'foreigners' will bend over backward to be helpful (and enjoy some laughs at our expense) if we just TRY.
If I were ever to relocate to a non-English speaking country to live or commit to a long-term stay, I'd absolutely accept their desire for me to accommodate their wishes if they included a requirement for me to adopt their language. I guess what puzzles me is why some think that shouldn't be done in all directions. |
Response to sikorsky (Reply #47)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:40 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
48. He is talking about Puerto Rico IN Puerto Rico...
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...not their citizens in the USA. Unlike the US, Puerto Rico has an official language, both Spanish and English. I am sure there are plenty of good reasons to keep the USA from adopting a language.
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Response to Lost-in-FL (Reply #48)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 PM
sikorsky (96 posts)
53. I understand that, I was speaking in general terms. What would some of those reasons be?
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I am genuinely interested. I get it that some Americans are against having an 'official' language (and of course many are for it too), would those in the former camp also be opposed to, say, Chile, proposing or mandating Spanish as -their- official tongue? I'm just trying to figure out why it works only in one direction (if it does)
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Response to sikorsky (Reply #53)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:54 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
61. I think because it is one of those issues that could be left to the states?
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:00 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I am not sure. But I do not think it would make a bit a difference. Me thinks in the end it is purely about politics. It is said (a survey by the PEW Research Center a few years back mentioned this) that the great majority of people not fluent in the English language are newcomers (1st Generation). For the most part, those newcomers heavily encourage their kids to learn English in addition to the native language of their parents but many others avoid teaching them a language other than English all together afraid their kids they would be mocked or discriminated against. By the 3rd generation there are no traces of a foreign language in the family according to the PEW Research. This only proves that regardless of "a law" the "de facto" language of the US is English. Making it the official language is a waste of $. |
Response to sikorsky (Reply #53)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
LanternWaste (16,493 posts)
100. It begs the question-- What is the precise and relevant reason to indeed call a language official?
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It begs the question-- What is the precise and relevant reason to indeed call a language official? Precisely and objectively how would it make our lives in the United States as American more effective... more efficient... easier?
What in deed and in fact, would it accomplish that is not already accomplished? |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #100)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
sikorsky (96 posts)
101. I think it's obvious that having a common language in which to conduct government business
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in any given nation confers many advantages, culturally and financially. I'd even support having an 'official' WORLD language if there were any way to implement it. I suspect it will eventually happen anyway, the question now seems, however, not "When will it be English" but "Will it be English or Chinese".
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Response to sikorsky (Reply #47)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 PM
AlbertCat (10,513 posts)
54. I've made it a point to learn enough of the local languages in every country I've visited/worked
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Like Puerto Ricans (and other Spanish speaking people) don't.
The opposition is that it is dumb and a waste of time. But if you want to follow PR's lead and make Spanish and English the official languages of the USA, then every child must be taught to be bilingual from the 1st day of kindergarden or day care. Now that's not a bad idea. |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #54)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:19 PM
sikorsky (96 posts)
58. No, it's not a "bad" idea but why limit it to Spanish (again speaking generally)
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My question was about the sometimes almost hysterical response to suggestions that a country (Now I mean the USA which I understand isn't the specific subject of this thread but the implications are very clear) - I have actually encountered local people who are violently opposed to this but don't object when other countries do the same thing when their own particular lingua franca is at issue.
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Response to sikorsky (Reply #58)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:53 AM
Bradical79 (447 posts)
73. For me it's about intent
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Usually, there are racist undertones with the politicians and groups who push for English to be made the official language. It seems like I often see these ideas coupled with moves to remove necessary services for those who aren't fluent in English, or other policies irrationally hostile to immigration.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:51 PM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
49. Rick, while you are there... tell puertorricans you want to make contraception illegal.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:54 PM
abelenkpe (7,181 posts)
50. Can't believe this fool is running for president
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so embarrassing....
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:00 PM
AlbertCat (10,513 posts)
51. Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Does this guy ever think about anything important?.... Anything? .... anything at all....
Like, just how are they gonna arrange 51 stars on the flag? Huh? How they 'gonna do it, Rick? |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
former9thward (6,649 posts)
52. Why is this an issue?
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There is no evidence that Puerto Rico wants statehood or independence. It has always been voted down in referendums there.
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Response to former9thward (Reply #52)
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Response to CreekDog (Reply #103)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:15 PM
former9thward (6,649 posts)
104. People can talk about anything they want.
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I was just curious since they seems to be no evidence PRs want a change in their status. But I don't live there and maybe there is a movement.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:16 PM
RebelOne (27,006 posts)
56. They all speak English anyway.
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I have been there and never had a communication problem.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:17 PM
Justice wanted (2,657 posts)
57. Show me where in the constitution it says one must speak English
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:41 PM
lunasun (3,719 posts)
59. You'd think he would speak a little Spanish to them IF he wants votes
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so many valid issues such a narrow brain
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:45 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
60. Santorum es un idiota.
Response to Odin2005 (Reply #60)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:08 AM
mackattack (344 posts)
76. shouldnt it be
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Idioto. The "a" indicates he is feminine. Am I correct in this?
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Response to mackattack (Reply #76)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
Common Sense Party (13,091 posts)
80. It's always idiota. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it's one of the words that
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doesn't change endings depending on the gender.
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Response to mackattack (Reply #76)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:05 PM
Guy Whitey Corngood (14,876 posts)
81. No, that word is gender neutral. nt
Response to mackattack (Reply #76)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:48 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
85. Many masculine borrowings from Greek end in A
Response to mackattack (Reply #76)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 07:31 PM
sikorsky (96 posts)
94. English isn't the only language with goofy exceptions. Agua in Spanish is 'masculine' and mano
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Last edited Thu Mar 15, 2012, 07:33 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) (hand) is 'feminine'. Go figure.
edit, I meant to add a little joke about one of our own oddities, "I before E except after C in this weird society" |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:10 PM
Douglas Carpenter (15,349 posts)
62. I just hope Jesus loves us enough to make Rick Santorum the Republican nominee
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:02 PM
Canuckistanian (42,278 posts)
63. Eh, there probably aren't that many Puerto Rican voters in America
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) So insulting them won't make a difference.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
Harry Monroe (2,867 posts)
64. The stupid is strong in this one....
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....now he's going for losing the Latino vote. What an idiot!! If this guy becomes President, I'm renouncing my citizenship!!
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:34 PM
longship (18,204 posts)
66. Men must wear sweater vests,
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women must wear burkas. Muslims and Jews must eat bacon just like all good Christians. We are a Christian country.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:09 PM
alp227 (20,981 posts)
67. Ooh, another entry in the "Beat the Reagan states' rights in Mississippi speech" contest?
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Last edited Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Let's see:
- Newt Gingrich calling Obama a "food stamp president"; - He-who-shall-not-be-named: "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money." - Oh wow, I just learned that Gingrich actually used the term "states' rights" in a Feb. 29 speech in Georgia! - And Mr. S-Word actually doubled down on the Grinch's food stamp insult: "Speaking to a large crowd at the conservative Americans for Prosperity Presidential forum here, Santorum said he planned to 'talk to minority communities, not about giving them food stamps and government dependency, but about creating jobs so that they can participate in the rise of this country.'" I guess he may lose the US territory vote here, but the territory delegates are insignificant compared with those for the 50 states. Plus, at least Santorum was smart enough not to trash the Cajun people of Louisiana. Because Louisiana's primary is soon. (Some in Santorum's war room have told him to talk in dog whistle about a certain OTHER race...) |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:15 PM
eyewall (660 posts)
68. Has he ever said anything that sounded reasonable?
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This idiot keeps my cognitive dissonance in overdrive.
I thought Mrs Palin was a complete outrage, and then they give us this. I just can't believe it. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:23 PM
Historic NY (19,872 posts)
69. That ought to work ...to get more voters.
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:43 AM
Kalidurga (4,829 posts)
70. Wow they just keep em coming....
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I remember the good old days when the most outrageous thing I heard was some guy a RWer saying children should be hired as janitors...
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:14 AM
burrowowl (8,989 posts)
71. Does PR want to be a State?
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Not really.
In New Mexico English and Spanish are the official languages, since many at the time it became a state used to be Mexicans. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 07:59 AM
Heywood J (2,254 posts)
72. Joder a tu alma de pollo con un transductor de ultrasonido, Santorum. (NT)
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:28 PM
Blue_Tires (31,870 posts)
82. wow...doesn't this guy have like an army of highly paid advisors and strategists??
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:32 PM
Zambero (2,409 posts)
87. Another "Kennedy moment" for Santorum
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When all else fails, go out of your way to insult your target audience. Did he mention that seeing signs or hearing conversations in Spanish makes him want to throw up?
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:45 PM
NoGOPZone (2,659 posts)
88. Tell Rick that even without statehood and English as an official language
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they're still citizens. His head might explode.
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:18 PM
Liberalynn (5,556 posts)
90. Hey Ricky
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In order to be a human being you need a functioning brain!
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 04:15 PM
Hepburn (19,014 posts)
93. Un-fucking un-believable
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How can anyone be THAT out of it?
This is off the charts even for a Repuke. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:52 AM
iris27 (1,951 posts)
95. Fuck, he's actually managed to make Dubya and Newt look culturally sensitive.
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I made fun of GWB's bad Spanish grammar when he gave a speech to Puerto Ricans and threw in a bit of Spanish. And I made a LOT of fun of Newt when he told the Univision interviewer he could give the questions in Spanish if Newt could respond in English...but then he didn't even understand "vamos a empezar, bien?" (we're going to start, ok?).
But Jesus, at least they were trying, and not chastising Spanish-speaking Americans. |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:55 PM
Redford (245 posts)
96. English used to be taught in the public schools in PR but it was removed in the early 50"s
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Why? Because Puerto Ricans that could speak English were more likely to move to the states for job and education opportunities. It is why there are more Puerto Ricans in New York than in PR today. When American corporations built factories over in PR (they did not have to pay tax on goods produced there) they needed a captured workforce. So the governor, Luis Munoz Marin, took English out of the public schools so they people were less likely to leave thus insuring the the workforce. There is a great book on the subject titled "Isla Verde". The tax loophole was closed up a few years ago and the corporations shuttered up factories are everywhere.
I lived there for three years in the early 2000's and my kids attended private school taught in English with the children of the very wealthy Puerto Ricans. The rich make sure their kids their kids speak fluent English. |
Response to Redford (Reply #96)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 02:36 AM
Lost-in-FL (7,066 posts)
98. That's the biggest load I have ever heard.
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Last edited Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:09 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) As a matter of fact, my nephew currently goes to an english only 'charter' school in Puerto Rico and will be graduating in June. I was born and raised there and my parents were dirt poor. We never had a chance at getting a private school education. I moved from PR at the age of 23 years in search of employment and opportunities. Most of my English I learn in the PR public school system and publicly funded state university (Recinto Universitario de Mayagüez-University of Puerto Rico). My brother, a PR graduate with a PhD in Medical Microbiology and now professor at a PR Medical school, has never set foot in the US for longer than 2 weeks and he speaks English fluently.
The only reason why there are no corporate tax breaks for companies to encourage low unemployment numbers any longer is because the pro-statehood governor at the time, Carlos Romero Barceló, thought it was a great idea to choke PR's economy with the intention of forcing Puertorricans to plead for statehood. Since you mentioned Luis Muñoz Marín, who by the way has little to do with removing English from public schools, he was the one person responsible for bringing a democratically elected governor to PR. Prior to formal elections, PR was ran like Iraq shortly after the invasion. Washington would name a general or a 'Bremmer' type big cheese to command the island from an office somewhere in Washington. You can learn more about the colonial relationship between PR and the USA through this book by a real historian and law professor and expert on PR-US relations in America's Colony. It is a well researched book with a very useful bibliography. http://books.google.com/books/about/America_s_colony.html?id=pKqVpqGVsJYC |
Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 02:43 PM
Amonester (10,249 posts)
99. Results: 8% (LOLOLOLOL)
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"a heck of a job" (foot-in-mouth) pRick!
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Response to stubtoe (Original post)
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:10 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (22,257 posts)
102. After all Santorum would make an ideal candidate
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just think Obama versus 'Stupido'
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