Obama health care promise named 'Lie of the Year'

[boguspotus]

Source: NBC News

Fact-checking organization Politifact has named their “Lie of the Year,” and it’s bad news for the White House and the Affordable Care Act.

President Barack Obama’s often-repeated assertion that “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” won the ignominious honor for 2013, the group announced.

In a blog post, Politifact– which is affiliated with the Tampa Bay Times – said Obama’s promise was “impossible to keep” and has resulted in a “real hit to his credibility.”




Read more: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/12/21880402-obama-health-care-promise-named-lie-of-the-year?lite

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Wow, really Politifact? Sounds like a crock of shit to me.

[Gore1FL]

1. of 2009? n/t

[itsrobert]

2. Politifacts gets lots of things wrong

they are a corporate run outfit. thus, they are not unbias.

[George II]

3. Why is it when a Democrat says something that ultimately doesn't happen it's a "lie"???

[AlbertCat]

4. What about....

.... that "Our 1st priority is jobs jobs jobs" from the GOP Congress?


That out and out lie affects more Americans than Obama saying something that Insurance Companies then make untrue.

[jmowreader]

9. You just didn't read it right

Their first priority really was jobs jobs jobs...

making sure President Obama didn't keep his job...

and making sure he didn't get another one in the private sector...

and making sure as many Democratic members of Congress didn't keep their jobs either.

Jobs for you and I, that's a different matter. They didn't care about those.

[AlbertCat]

12. They failed in that too

Boy.... the Repugs can't do anything right!

[Happyhippychick]

5. I'm curious why you would post this.

It sounds like something that would be a headline at freerepublic. Maybe we should have a thread about his poll numbers and scowling Michelle?

[BeyondGeography]

16. Hey, he's "boguspotus"

Made it to 96 posts (in 12 years), too.

[boguspotus]

19. Hey! If they had a "lurk" count - I would be way, way, way ahead of any of you - by far : )

I guess I wanted to post it for some discussion. Biggest lie of the year? It is totally way over the top. - So they make it sound like President Obama purposely and willingly went out his way to tell this big, huge lie. He didn't lie - why would he do that?
On edit - I read that Politifact is actually not neutral like I thought it was.

[Happyhippychick]

29. Yeah

[GladRagDahl]

26. News is news

I've never really understood the whole "nah nah nah" with the fingers stuck in the ears attitude whenever a bad headline in posted. News is news. You can't just ignore bad news and bad headlines. The Latest Breaking News Forum is exactly that. Many DUers rely on it to educate themselves on current events. That's why you will see things there that you probably won't see in the other forums.

[Happyhippychick]

28. I'm sure you've "never really understood it"

[GladRagDahl]

30. Correct

I don't. This is the single forum on DU that's simply about the breaking news. I've never understood why people want to hang around this particular forum and gripe about it. As long as the source is reputable I want to read it. Knowledge is power.

[grantcart]

31. The obvious point that you don't get is

it is astonishing how news that is negative is rushed to LBN by people who never seem to post any other kind of news.

Secondly it is obviously not news but analysis.

The suggestion that this is the worst political lie of the year is the most obvious biased slant on what happened this year.

The ACA is allowing millions who didn't get insurance to get it, and tens of millions more upgraded policies.

A small percent of people who had terrible policies didn't have those policies grandfathered in as expected.

Most intelligent people understand that while the statement wasn't true, it doesn't in fact constitute a lie, which is a statement that is not only not true but was made with the intention of deceiving.

Most people are happy with the alternatives they are getting:

http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance/ca/20131124/in-california-some-happy-about-canceled-insurance-policies

Any reasonable person would think that the statements by the GOP over and over again this year that were both untrue and meant to deceive should have been considered. For example multiple statements by Senator Asshat from Texas saying that he didn't want to shut down the government at the same time he was shutting down the government would have been a much better candidate.

There are dozens and dozens of examples of this.

Finally politifact is not considered unbiased or reputable:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rachel-maddow-goes-nuclear-on-politifact-%E2%80%98you-are-a-disaster%E2%80%99/

[Stargleamer]

6. When George Bush said of Osama. . .

That he wasn't interested in him, and then denied it in the debates with John Kerry, No one in the MSM called it "The Lie of the Year". It was treated as nothing.

Bush was lying; I don't think Obama was. I think he just didn't know all the ramifications of his own law.

[RBInMaine]

7. He and his people didn't lie, but they left out the timing caveat probably for expediency. It was

certainly a real error to do that, but the bigger error has not been clarifying it properly.

Still, where are the weapons of mass destruction?

[spartan61]

11. And when W lied to the

American people about all the WMDs. I don't remember ever reading about "The Lie of the Year." Or, what about Darth's prediction of being greeted in Iraq with flowers. Was this also a "Lie of the Year?"

[busterbrown]

8. Fucking just unbelievable..

When you lie you purposely do so..Why the hell would he have purposely lied if he knew it wasn’t true..

He’s the first one who realizes how the media always is waiting and monitoring his very move trying to catch him on a misdeed.. Jesus Christ. with all the lies the Right Wing lives on, they chose this one miscalculation to jump on..

[BlueToTheBone]

10. The lie of the millennium? "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

[AlbertCat]

14. or

"I was elected"

[BlueToTheBone]

17. Oh so true!

Sometimes I think of what our world would be like if they hadn't stolen that election. The second theft ground us to dust, but the first was a stake in the heart. We could have been contenders! sorry that was a cheap line from some movie. We might not be gasping for our last breaths as planetary citizens.

Love deep and well, that's all we have!

[AlbertCat]

34. Sometimes I think of what our world would be like if they hadn't stolen that election.

Hell... think of where we'd be if Reagan hadn't made a deal with the Hostage Takers so Carter would lose the election. Imagine if we had been doing Carter's plan for the past 30 years!

[BlueToTheBone]

37. It would be a different world today

that is for sure. But I have to say Carter and Brezinski are responsible for Sri Lanka and Afghanistan.

[Archae]

13. Politi"fact" is anything but.

Rachel Maddow has exposed their habit of lying themselves, over and over.

[BootinUp]

15. This is because Democrats are held to a different standard of course.

[Beartracks]

18. I always took his assertion to mean the ACA would not make you switch plans.

The insurance companies, however, are not the ACA.

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[RBInMaine]

25. True, and that most plans were group and public plans that wouldn't change. However, he should still

have included the timing caveat in that stump speech. It was a real miscalculation. They thought the grandfather clause would cover it, but they were not explicit enough. He should have simply said,

"For most people, in group and public plans, your plans won't change. Anyone in an individual plan will be grandfathered when the law is signed. So for most people, if you like your current plan, you'll be able to keep it. All new individual plans, though, will have to meet new standards so we can make sure you have good insurance."

[msongs]

20. umm not really news is it? belongs in the lounge nt

[madrchsod]

21. the cancellations came from the insurance companies.

the other was getting rid of junk insurance that paid for nothing.

[Doctor_J]

38. that doesn't contradict the fact that what the president said was untrue

Between that and the web site they botched the roll-out BIG TIME, despite having three years to get it right.

[Amonester]

22. I take it that politilies activists just love it when insurance corporations screw them

over and over again, year after year.

Or is it some of them lies-tellers actually WORK for capitalist insurance corporations (in secret, that is)?

It's either one or the other.

[SoapBox]

23. Sorry, it's no where near

WMDs.

This proclamation is bullshit.

[alp227]

24. So this is as false as the Republicon talking point "government takeover of health care"

that was Politifact's 2010 Lie of the Year huh? Or Romney's 2012 ad about Jeeps Made in China (the 2012 LOTY)?

Hell, Politifact considered its 2011 LOTY a Democratic claim about Republicans voting to end Medicare.

What false equivalence this site is based on. I recommend the non profit http://www.factcheck.org/ instead.

[Gothmog]

27. Politicfact is a joke

Rachel needs to re discuss this group again

[L0oniX]

32. What "promise"? I don't see where he used that word.

[George II]

33. I can't believe this is getting so much attention...

..."Politifact" is a website run by the Tampa Bay Times.

This was an ONLINE "poll" to rate 10 "lies" told this year. THEY picked the so-called "lies", then asked readers to rate them.

And not surprisingly, seven of the ten "lies" concerned comments about the Affordable Care Act.

[demigoddess]

35. I don't think it was a lie

they just did not explain all the details and conditions. Which they should have.

[quadrature]

36. "you can keep your doctor", what does that mean?

doctors die, quit, contracts expire, all the time.

please be as specific as you can be.
thanks in advance.