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Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:32 PM

NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show

Source: Washington Post

The National Security Agency is gathering nearly 5 billion records a day on the whereabouts of cellphones around the world, according to top-secret documents and interviews with U.S. intelligence officials, enabling the agency to track the movements of individuals — and map their relationships — in ways that would have been previously unimaginable.

The records feed a vast database that stores information about the locations of at least hundreds of millions of devices, according to the officials and the documents, which were provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. New projects created to analyze that data have provided the intelligence community with what amounts to a mass surveillance tool.

The NSA does not target Americans’ location data by design, but the agency acquires a substantial amount of information on the whereabouts of domestic cellphones “incidentally,” a legal term that connotes a foreseeable but not deliberate result.

One senior collection manager, speaking on condition of anonymity but with permission from the NSA, said “we are getting vast volumes” of location data from around the world by tapping into the cables that connect mobile networks globally and that serve U.S. cellphones as well as foreign ones. Additionally, data is often collected from the tens of millions of Americans who travel abroad with their cellphones every year.



Read more: http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-tracking-cellphone-locations-worldwide-snowden-documents-show/2013/12/04/5492873a-5cf2-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_story.html

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Reply NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden documents show (Original post)
Redfairen Dec 2013 OP
dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #1
madrchsod Dec 2013 #2
AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #3
Titonwan Dec 2013 #4
randome Dec 2013 #7
Indi Guy Dec 2013 #14
randome Dec 2013 #20
Indi Guy Dec 2013 #25
cantbeserious Dec 2013 #5
Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #6
blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #8
City Lights Dec 2013 #9
woo me with science Dec 2013 #15
quadrature Dec 2013 #10
Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #11
Maedhros Dec 2013 #13
debunkthis Dec 2013 #18
Pterodactyl Dec 2013 #12
Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #16
DeSwiss Dec 2013 #17
jsr Dec 2013 #23
jmowreader Dec 2013 #19
mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #21
jsr Dec 2013 #22
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Wilms Dec 2013 #24

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:47 PM

1. Does that mean when I can't find it

they'll tell me not only where it is but which one I was looking for too ?

****s

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 06:18 PM

2. 1,825,000,000 stored calls a year

stored 10 digit numbers per year..1,825,000,000,000

dam that`s a lot of numbers.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 07:43 PM

3. It's kind of dissapointing. Not that they can do it.

This is old news, more or less for those of us that can infer their capabilities given bottomless budget and direct access to manufacturers of all types...

The disappointing thing is that they CHOOSE to do it...

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:09 PM

4. "It's kind of dissapointing."

Kinda? You never get mad. At all? Infuriated is what a growingly aware public is becoming. I'm waiting to hear about corporate influence on our 'elected' officials and why they kow-tow to industry in a fetal position. Hopefully, Glenn Greenwald will disclose such massive corruption (h/t Edward Snowden) and finally wake up a dead brained 23% who will jump off a cliff to appease their masters. (I'm lookin' at you Tea Baggers and Middle of the Road Democrats).

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:33 PM

7. What law enforcement agency will NOT do everything it can to fulfill its mandate?

If we don't want the NSA to be spying on foreign individuals, quite a few laws need to be changed.

Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.

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Response to randome (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:05 AM

14. Yours is a spurious argument...

...given that tens of millions of Americans are caught up in the cell phone dragnet alone.

From the OP:
The NSA does not target Americans’ location data by design, but the agency acquires a substantial amount of information on the whereabouts of domestic cellphones “incidentally,” a legal term that connotes a foreseeable but not deliberate result.

One senior collection manager, speaking on the condition of anonymity but with permission from the NSA, said “we are getting vast volumes” of location data from around the world by tapping into the cables that connect mobile networks globally and that serve U.S. cellphones as well as foreign ones. Additionally, data are often collected from the tens of millions of Americans who travel abroad with their cellphones every year.


I fail to see why you continually trivialize the agency's abuse of its power visa vi American citizens. Why do you do it?

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:15 AM

20. How does 'substantial amount' translate into 'tens of millions'?

This is the Information Age. Data is ridiculously easy to obtain. Do you have any idea how difficult it might be to separate foreign communications from domestic?

Neither do I but I suppose it might be something like dropping a fishing net over the side of a boat and really trying hard only to catch one species of fish. In other words, impossible.

So what would be the alternative? Never monitor foreign communications, which is the NSA's job, by the way? That's a valid option, I agree, but I would guess the purpose of monitoring foreign communications is to try and prevent incidents like the Boston Bombing. So long as there are protections in place to prevent abuse, I don't have a problem with it.

And if anyone wants to bring up the Boston Bombing as an example of the NSA's incompetence, I'd remind you that they are tasked with monitoring foreign communications and that took place entirely within our borders.

Precision and concision. That's the game.

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Response to randome (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:29 PM

25. Well, there you go again.

It's the job #1 of every government entity to obey the law visa vi our Constitution. It's an unique challenge for our government agencies & employees to do their jobs while protecting the rights of American citizens.

In a totalitarian state, there are no such proscriptions to complicate the job of surveillance -- and that is precisely how the NSA is behaving.

So don't tell me how hard it is for the NSA to obey the law -- it's their's to figure out how to do so, while doing their work.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:19 PM

5. Big Brother Manifested - All To Serve The Oligarchs And Corporations

eom

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:24 PM

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Redfairen.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:00 PM

8. FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

and 9/11

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:02 PM

9. Seems like they do a lot of collecting but not a lot of analyzing. nt

typo edit

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Response to City Lights (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:14 AM

15. Collecting is the core of a criminal surveillance state.


It allows targeting of any inconvenient citizen at any time, using the data that has been stored.

Building files on citizens is the behavior of fascism.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:26 PM

10. when there is an unsolved crime ...

they will check out cellphones that were in the
area, especially if they, turned on, turned off,
blew up, etc

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:52 PM

11. K&R! I don't understand why people are not more upset with this!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:53 AM

13. I'm totally upset.

5 BILLION TERRORISTS A DAY are using cell phones? I never knew there were so many!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:46 AM

18. Many of us are

 

In my case "upset" doesn't quite go far enough. The term livid is a much better description of my feelings on this matter!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:59 PM

12. Wait until Obama and Biden find out about this!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 01:50 AM

16. How it's done.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 04:28 AM

17. Which shows they didn't need the REAL ID in order to track us......

...since we've ended up paying to be survelied out of our own pockets to our phone/internet providers.

- Who are then paid a premium for their cooperation by giving all our information away to the NSA, for freedom.

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:10 AM

23. +1984.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:05 AM

19. Sorry guys...

but I'm still a hell of a lot more concerned about what the private sector, which has great in¢entive$ to track everything I do, everywhere I go, everything I buy and everything I like in both the online and physical worlds, is doing with my personal data than what the NSA might be.

Easy experiment: Go to any travel website and get a price for a plane trip to somewhere. Then go to two hotel websites and price rooms for the period of your plane trip. Then count the number of months you get spam from airlines, hotels, restaurants, attractions in the area and everything else you might need on your trip. Man, I'm still getting spam from Seattle and I got back in July!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:24 AM

21. Public Support Grows for Snowden in Europe:

Germany and France Should offer NSA Whistleblower Asylum

Europeans are pissed off at the US, in the wake of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden's latest revelation that the US was aggressively spying on its European allies, both at their and the European Union's embassies in Washington, and in Europe itself, gleaning not information about terrorism, but inside-track knowledge about trade negotiation positions and other areas of disagreement or negotiation.

Leaders in Germany, France, Italy and other European countries are demanding that the US cease its spying on them, and give a "full accounting" of the spying that it has been engaging in. But given the steady stream of lies coming from the NSA, the Obama Administration, Secretary of State John Kerry, and other American sources, why should they believe anything they are being told?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Public-Support-Grows-for-S-by-Dave-Lindorff-130702-931.html

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:09 AM

22. Recommend

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:50 AM

24. ^

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