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Wed Dec 4, 2013, 02:59 PM

NSA Opponents Want To Cut Off Utah Facility From Water Supply

Source: TIME

A group of activists in Utah think they’ve found the ultimate weakness of a massive new data center the National Security Agency is building in Utah: water.

While the facility will feature state of the art technology and security measures, at the end of the day, like any other building, the data center will rely on local utilities, and local opponents want to cut it off from the grid. Advocacy groups, which have formed the OffNow coalition, are pushing for state legislation that would cut off utilities to the NSA’s new data center being built in Bluffdale, Utah. The argues that the NSA’s electronic snooping violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unwarranted searches and seizures, and proposed state legislation known as the 4th Amendment Protection Act would prevent the local government from supporting the building with local utilities.

“In short, they can turn the water off,” the group says on its website, noting the data center would use 1.7 million gallons of water ever day

The effort is sure to be stymied by federal authorities, but it’s the latest example in states’ rights activists toying with the idea of “nullification” of federal laws. The group is also making its case in a YouTube video advocating for the nullification of some federal laws...

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/04/nsa-opponents-want-to-cut-off-utah-facility-from-water-supply/



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Reply NSA Opponents Want To Cut Off Utah Facility From Water Supply (Original post)
Indi Guy Dec 2013 OP
Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #1
Maedhros Dec 2013 #6
truedelphi Dec 2013 #7
lapfog_1 Dec 2013 #2
guyton Dec 2013 #3
Indi Guy Dec 2013 #4
guyton Dec 2013 #10
Indi Guy Dec 2013 #16
snooper2 Dec 2013 #5
Thor_MN Dec 2013 #15
guyton Dec 2013 #17
Thor_MN Dec 2013 #18
Progressive dog Dec 2013 #8
villager Dec 2013 #9
Progressive dog Dec 2013 #11
villager Dec 2013 #12
dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #13
Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #14
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Wilms Dec 2013 #19

Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:04 PM

1. Turn the water off.....destroy the state and local roads leading to the perversion........

I am all for stopping this government from continuing unconstitutional spying on its citizens.....

We cannot rely on Congress or the President to act. The President loves snooping into you e-mails and your phone calls. The majority of thinks it is great as long as no one finds out they are buying crack on the street or hiring a prostitute. Hey, we are just a bunch of frat bois who are looking for some fun.

We must use all legal means available to stop the government. If those means fail then that is another step in escalation.

They think they hold the cards when we know the people actually hold the cards....

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:04 PM

6. I beg to differ.

With respect to the NSA and its Big Brother-style surveillance, we can most definitely rely on Congress and the President to act - against the interests of American citizens and in favor of shadowy government agencies.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:22 PM

7. This President's legacy is going to be the Totalitarian State he and Di Feinstein have

Encouraged to have built, along with that Big Huge Pile of radioactive Shit heading to the USA from Japan.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:08 PM

2. water is merely the most efficient conduit of heat energy

cooling computer systems is all about heat exchangers...

It would be more expensive to have a air cooled final heat exchanger (closed loop water transport), but it is certainly doable.

Cut off their power, and don't "permit" them to build their own power plant, and you might be onto something.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:37 PM

3. 1.7 million gallons of water every day???

What do they plan on doing, using the water to cool the computers and then flush the warm water down the drain?

Why not recycle the water and let it cool off? Or is the 1.7 million gallons a day just the loss to evaporation in
the cooling towers? Or ??

Sounds like someone wasn't planning on having to pay the water bill.

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Response to guyton (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 03:57 PM

4. Maybe...

...most of the water will be used for brainwashing.

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:46 PM

10. or if we keep this up ...

... waterboarding

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Response to guyton (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:37 PM

16. Good one!

...Then there's the old-school 'water torture.'

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Response to guyton (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

5. people like to make shit up...

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Response to guyton (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 10:42 PM

15. Evaporative coolers. Not down the drain, but into the air

A building I worked at had it's AC and server cooling by evaporative cooling. When you were going in or out of the building, you could hear the fans kick on and sometimes feel the humidity go up, since the exhaust was fairly close to the front door.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 12:13 AM

17. guess that makes sense

Ah, thanks, that's no doubt what's going on. Still seems like a waste of water "just" for cooling but it's probably more efficient than the alternatives (at least at that location).

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Response to guyton (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 03:33 AM

18. I'm from Minnesota where water is for drinking and playing in and on.

I understand west of here it's for fighting over, so they say.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:31 PM

8. That will work well

The feds could cut off Utah's water, Utah has to import it from that awful country that owns the NSA,
These "activists" should just convince the NSA to build the facility elsewhere. I'll bet most states would welcome the jobs.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:35 PM

9. Job growth is booming, in having citizens spy on each other!

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Response to villager (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:52 PM

11. Actually, the federal government is shrinking

but there will be jobs in Utah. If they don't want the jobs, a lot of other places would take them.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 04:56 PM

12. And what great jobs, too! Beats cleaning up Fukushima radiation, at least!


Thanks for your pro-NSA take on the matter!

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:22 PM

13. Also jobs will be created to imprison anti-NSA activists

Most states would welcome those jobs too. Very sad.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:26 PM

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Indi Guy.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Thu Dec 5, 2013, 10:53 AM

19. ^

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