Declassified NSA files show agency spied on Muhammad Ali and MLK...
Source: the guardian
[font size="1"]Muhammad Ali was one of several prominent critics of the Vietnam War the NSA spied on. Photograph: Jane Bown[/font]
The National Security Agency secretly tapped into the overseas phone calls of prominent critics of the Vietnam War, including Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali and two actively serving US senators, newly declassified material has revealed.
The NSA has been forced to disclose previously secret passages in its own official four-volume history of its Cold War snooping activities. The newly-released material reveals the breathtaking and probably illegal lengths the agency went to in the late 1960s and 70s, in an attempt to try to hold back the rising tide of anti-Vietnam war sentiment.
That included tapping into the phone calls and cable communications of two serving senators the Idaho Democrat Frank Church and Howard Baker, a Republican from Tennessee who, puzzlingly, was a firm supporter of the war effort in Vietnam. The NSA also intercepted the foreign communications of prominent journalists such as Tom Wicker of the New York Times and the popular satirical writer for the Washington Post, Art Buchwald.
Alongside King, a second leading civil rights figure, Whitney Young of the National Urban League, was also surreptitiously monitored. The heavyweight boxing champion, Muhammad Ali, was put on the watch list in about 1967 after he spoke out about Vietnam he was jailed having refused to be drafted into the army, was stripped of his title, and banned from fighting and is thought to have remained a target of surveillance for the next six years....
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/26/nsa-surveillance-anti-vietnam-muhammad-ali-mlk
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,075 posts)... and I am sure it all goes to J. Edgar Hoover. May his high heels pinch his toes for an eternity.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)You can even access the files online.
http://library.truman.edu/microforms/martin_luther_king.asp
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)BainsBane
(53,016 posts)What's your point? The FBI's surveillance was illegal too.
Do you actually think the fact I point about basic information means I somehow support NSA spying?
But your post leaves the impression that such surveillance is commonplace & somehow not so bad.
Maybe that's not your intent, but that's how it can be perceived.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)that I have no patience for failing to know basic things, which is the case.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...so why point it out?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Puhleese.
Art Buchwald was a humorist. Frank Church investigated the investigators. Baker was a Republican who was on the committee that investigated Watergate. Looks to me like the NSA was trying to "get" something on those who would challenge its existence. See my post below. People who questioned the NSA were somehow put on the list to be investigated.
I'll bet they are still investigating anyone who writes or talks negatively or critically about them. The danger of the NSA is that they use their capacity to gather information to insulate themselves from criticism, to gradually become the biggest power base in the country.
The NSA is a great danger to our democracy.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Is that it's a revelation. I guess to me it doesn't matter which agencies were involved as the fact the feds spied on him. Obviously during MLK's lifetime the NSA didn't use the same methods they do now. Also the documents show what the federal government was interested in, and I'm a believer that more thorough information and primary documentation is always helpful.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)NSA Spied on MLK, US Senators and Other Vietnam War Critics, Documents Show
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/26-2
It was also on NBC evening news.
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/26/20708417-senators-muhammad-ali-mlk-and-journalists-landed-on-nsa-watch-list-during-vietnam-war?lite
icymist
(15,888 posts)You are all government risks. You are all potential terrorists. You are all potential Al Quadia members. You are all potential eco- terrorists! You are all anti-war terrorists. Damb it! Every single one of you are a potential terrorist! DRon't you stupid terrorists see why we need to watch you! Gawd Danm Hippies!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)read the facts.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Art Buchwald was a humorist, a very funny humorist.
Hunting Down the Secular Humanists" "...What makes them so dangerous is that Secular Humanists look just like you and me. Some of them could be your best friends without you knowing that they are Humanists. They could come into your house, play with your children, eat your food and even watch football with you on television, and you'd never know they have read Catcher in the Rye, Brave New World, and Huckleberry Finn....
No one is safe until Congress sets up an Anti-Secular Humanism Committee to get at the rot. Witnesses have to be called, and they have to name names.
― Art Buchwald
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/61997.Art_Buchwald
Frank Church? Frank Church of the Church committee?
In 1975 and 1976, the Church Committee published fourteen reports on the formation of U.S. intelligence agencies, their operations, and the alleged abuses of law and of power that they had committed, together with recommendations for reform, some of which were put in place.
Among the matters investigated were attempts to assassinate foreign leaders, including Patrice Lumumba of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, the Diem brothers of Vietnam, Gen. René Schneider of Chile and Director of Central Intelligence Allen Welsh Dulles's plan, approved by the President Dwight D. Eisenhower, to use the Mafia to kill Fidel Castro of Cuba.
Under recommendations and pressure by this committee, President Gerald Ford issued Executive Order 11905 (ultimately replaced in 1981 by President Reagan's Executive Order 12333) to ban U.S. sanctioned assassinations of foreign leaders.
Together, the Church Committee's reports have been said to constitute the most extensive review of intelligence activities ever made available to the public. Much of the contents were classified, but more than 50,000 pages have since been declassified under the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
The NSA was investigating one of its critics. Probably not the only critic it investigated out of sheer spite.
Here is what Frank Church said, warned about the NSA:
In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everythingtelephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.
If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.[17][18][19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Church
The NSA needs to release ALL of its documentation and research on Frank Church because that file would show the extent to which the NSA has already established a totalitarian state.
Howard Baker?
Hard to understand. He was popular among both Republicans and Democrats.
But then there is this:
In 1973 and 1974, Baker was also the influential ranking minority member of the Senate committee, chaired by Senator Sam Ervin, that investigated the Watergate scandal. Baker is famous for having asked aloud, "What did the President know and when did he know it?", a question given him by his counsel and former campaign manager, future U.S. Senator Fred Thompson.
. . .
Baker did not seek re-election in 1984. He received the Presidential Medal of Freedom the same year. However, as a testament to Baker's skill as a negotiator and honest and amiable broker, Reagan tapped him to serve as Chief of Staff during part of Reagan's second term (19871988). Many saw this as a move by Reagan to mend relations with the Senate, which had deteriorated somewhat under the previous chief of staff, Donald Regan. (Baker had complained that Regan had become a too-powerful "Prime Minister" inside an increasingly complex imperial presidency.) In accepting this appointment, Baker chose to skip another bid for the White House in 1988.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Baker
Why was the NSA concerned about Baker?
Hard to say, but what these revelations make me ask is whether the NSA has used its surveillance capacity to protect itself and its leadership. Because should it turn out that is the case, then the NSA is an even greater danger to our country than any of us could have imagined.
So the question is "Is the NSA capable of using its technological capacity to protect itself, to protect its privacy, to protect its political power, to insure its continuation, to protect its existence?" Because if the answer any part of that question is "yes," then the NSA has the capacity to take over the country and to destroy anyone who challenges it and wants to preserve the Constitution or our traditional form of democratic government.
Frank Church was right:
I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
That's a tough challenge. I do not know whether we as a nation can continue to enjoy the political freedom that we have enjoyed through most of our history if we harbor the NSA within our government, within our country. It's hard to say which threat is greater: the NSA or the terrorists/Communists/threat of the era.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...famously had all his "public" enemies investigated by the FBI. There also seems to have been a trend then for spy agencies to go after those who were perceived as a threat -- all of course in the name and under the cloak of "national security."
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)spying is so secretive and permitted within the political boundaries of the US.
The NSA has to be curtailed in its activities and strenuously and objectively overseen. The current situation is unhealthy. It is incompatible with democracy and contrary to our Bill of Rights.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)https://www.eff.org
I just came upon this organization & it seems that they are really doing something in this area, such as:
and
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)Sort of like Raygun.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)as well. I feel certain there would be something very revealing regarding the hostage situation in Iran.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,300 posts)Thanks for the thread, Indi Guy.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...all this law breaking by law makers is such old hat that it's no big deal. So what if the governed get thrown in jail for the same things that the governors do with impunity. We see that crap every day.
Uncle Joe
(58,300 posts)Peace to you, Indi Guy.