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Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:19 PM

Exclusive: RFK's Son Arrested in Westchester Hospital Maternity Unit Clash, Police Say

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/douglas-kennedy-arrrested-baby-westchester-RFK-son-140296403.html
The son of Robert F. Kennedy has been charged with harassment and endangering the welfare of a child for allegedly clashing with two nurses who tried to stop him from taking his 2-day-old baby boy from a Westchester maternity unit, NBC New York has learned.

According to a Mount Kisco, N.Y. police report obtained by NBC New York, Douglas Kennedy, 44, took his baby from the newborn unit of Northern Westchester Hospital on Jan. 7, against the instructions of hospital staff who told him the infant needed to stay there.

Kennedy was quietly arraigned on misdemeanor charges Thursday night.


Kennedy and his wife, Molly, disputed the accusations in a statement to NBC New York, saying "these allegations are absurd."

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Reply Exclusive: RFK's Son Arrested in Westchester Hospital Maternity Unit Clash, Police Say (Original post)
mia Feb 2012 OP
Suich Feb 2012 #1
Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #2
Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #30
Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #81
jberryhill Feb 2012 #82
Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #86
BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #37
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MADem Feb 2012 #43
EC Feb 2012 #5
MADem Feb 2012 #45
AngryAmish Feb 2012 #84
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MADem Feb 2012 #20
magical thyme Feb 2012 #34
MADem Feb 2012 #39
magical thyme Feb 2012 #47
MADem Feb 2012 #52
magical thyme Feb 2012 #54
MADem Feb 2012 #77
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postulater Feb 2012 #10
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postulater Feb 2012 #14
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postulater Feb 2012 #18
AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2012 #11
MADem Feb 2012 #21
magical thyme Feb 2012 #36
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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:28 PM

1. What an odd story!

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:35 PM

2. You can be arrested for doing that?

Really?

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:53 PM

30. For kicking a nurse in the pelvis?

Yes, I believe you can.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:50 AM

81. No evidence that is conclusive

that is why assumptions can often lead to misunderstandings

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 02:46 AM

82. You are saying that "conclusive evidence" is needed to charge someone?


Seriously?

No.

You are arrested and arraigned on probable cause, not "conclusive evidence".

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:15 AM

86. That's certainly what it looks like on the video.

When a nurse states that Kennedy kicked her in the pelvis, and the video shows him raising his foot in her direction and her falling backwards on the floor, I tend to believe the nurse.

Don't worry, believing that a Kennedy acted like an entitled asshole does not preclude you from being a good Democrat.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:40 AM

37. Hospitals have strict rules on newborns. . .

Even parents must follow proper protocol regarding taking their children out. The purpose is to prevent infant abductions, etc. Infants are the hospitals responsibilities as long as they are inpatient.

The fact that Mr. Kennedy reportedly kicked a nurse would bring charges of assault & battery, not to mention the fact that he didn't follow hospital procedures regarding newborns.

I work in a hospital, and even the elevator that stops on the labor & delivery floor has a code that must be entered to prevent just this sort of thing.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:09 PM

40. Seems like he and his doctor friend thought they were above the rules.

n/t

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:36 PM

3. maybe he wasn't supposed to go in there himself and needed a nurse to bring the baby out ?

weird story

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:37 PM

4. Those Krazy Kennedys.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:21 PM

43. I think that's the Skakel coming out.

The Kennedys do sometimes have a reputation for intemperate and sometimes addictive behavior, but the only violence in the family seems to come from the Skakel side of things.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:38 PM

5. Ambien?

Maybe he takes it too and was out while out.

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Response to EC (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:23 PM

45. You're thinking of Ted's kid.

This was RFK's kid--he was an infant when RFK was shot.

He works for FOX NEWS--that might give us a clue as to his temperament.

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Response to EC (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 08:59 AM

84. Or Johnny Walker Blue

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:41 PM

6. the nepotism/arrogance got to him? Guess you can't say he'd know better.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:47 PM

7. Maternity units are absolutely terrified of infections -

if he'd taken the baby off the floor, the baby wouldn't have been allowed to return to the floor but would have been re-admitted to a unit with sick children. It's possible/probable that the doctor friend had no idea of this protocol.

"Take the baby out for fresh air"? Most babies are discharged at 48 hours, whether mother and baby are ready or not!
Something about this story really stinks!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:53 AM

20. They also have strict protocols to prevent baby theft.

They have had too many cases of people dressed in scrubs wandering in and swiping a likely looking child...

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Response to MADem (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:30 AM

34. from what I read, this was clearly not a baby theft

since both parents were present. Very poor judgement from the nurses. I think it was over the top to call a code pink on the parents, but instead of trying to grab his baby from his arms, that's all they nurses really had to do. In fact, attempting to block him physically was incredibly stupid and prossibly against policy.

I know that our policy during a code pink is to watch out our lab window for anybody with a suspicious package or bundle and notify security if we spot anything. We are specifically instructed not to actively intervene.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:55 AM

39. Do you work in a maternity ward?

I think, if someone is prancing off with a baby, the thing to do IS to intervene. The nurses may not have known that this guy was the father--he was dressed like a slob.

And the father was not the patient--the baby was. We don't know what issues that child may have had.

If that hospital is like many, the babies have alarms on their persons, and those alarms go off if the child gets too far from the base unit.

Who would be responsible for the child--and a massive lawsuit-- if the father tripped and dropped the kid while going out for a stroll? The hospital, that's who.

The parents were out of line--if they wanted to leave, they should have signed the child out like NORMAL people do.

There's a reason why they wheel you to the door when you leave a medical facility-it's because of liability.

I think the Skakel mindset came into play, here. We'll see, though--all things in time. If I had to place a bet, I'd bet on the hospital, not the Faux Snooze reporter who wouldn't have a job but for Rupert Murdoch's sick desire to tweak his dead father's name and reputation.

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Response to MADem (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:48 PM

47. not specifically...do you? I work in a hospital lab

which means I have to go up to maternity sometimes to draw. Maternity ward doors and elevators have auto-locks on them. You cannot enter or exit without a functioning badge or somebody with a badge letting you through.

Even in my suburban hospital, the maternity ward is on the top floor on purpose...to buy time to lock in a kidnapper.

Physical intervention with a kidnapper puts the *baby* at risk of injury. In the altercation between Kennedy and the nurse, you see her come out the elevator door, but do you see that Kennedy also fell down? He could have dropped or fallen on his baby. His baby could have been slammed into a door or wall in a tussle. (I'm on dialup so can't view the video. I have to go on text)

In a kidnapping, the kidnapper could be armed. That puts the *baby* at risk.

Protocol is to lock the doors to prevent egress. If the kidnapper has gotten off the ward then you call code pink and the hospital goes into lock down.

In this case, they knew full well the baby was not being kidnapped. Had they not physically blocked him, they could have locked him down before he made it anywhere. Security, who is armed and trained to physically intervene with kidnappers, would have stopped him far more safely than they could.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:09 PM

52. Thank you for resting MY case for me!

You understand the protocol so you understand that the guy DID get off the floor--he was in the elevator and then in the stairwell.

The Fox News reporter, who has the Skakel temper, will either be found guilty and then find himself on the wrong end of a civil lawsuit, or work out some sort of "continued without a finding/probation" agreement and throw money at the hospital and the nurses.

He will not get away with this. Count on it.

You have no idea what the nurses "knew," unless you were there. I doubt a five foot tall, petite nurse with a long employment history at that hospital would routinely behave aggressively towards the parents of her patients for savage amusement.

That little nurse who got kicked and flew ten feet was doing her job--protecting her patient.

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Response to MADem (Reply #52)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:31 PM

54. You have no case. THE NURSE SHOULD NOT HAVE PHYSICALLY INTERVENED WITH HIM

Calling Code Pink puts the hospital in lockdown. He wasn't going out the hospital doors with the baby. There was NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THE NURSE GRABBING AT THE BABY OR REACHING FOR IT IN SUCH A WAY AS TO CAUSE HIM TO FALL ON HIS BUTT.

The fact that he made it into the elevator does NOT mean that he kicked anybody.

The nurse's physical intervention led to him falling down with the baby in his arms. The baby could have been injured in their altercation. She should not have touched him or the baby. Period. Talk to him -- yes. Grab at the baby -- NO. What part of that do you not understand?

5 feet tall does not automatically equate with petite. She could just as easily be 5 feet across and 250 pounds.

Long-term employee does not automatically equate with smart. Some of the older nurses I deal are royal bitches who think they rule the world, can do no wrong and act like it. And the ones with the worst temperaments are often the ones making the most mistakes.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:26 AM

77. So says you. I say otherwise. nt

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:03 AM

8. RFKs son which one?

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:15 AM

24. The tenth child, born in 67.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Harriman_Kennedy

Not much there--married, three (now four) kids (hasn't been updated), print and later TV reporter, has worked at Fox since 96.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:04 AM

9. Yes there is something really odd with this story

While the child is in the hospital's care you can't just take it outside. If something happened the hospital would be liable. Who decides to take their 2 day old baby outside for fresh air?

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:21 AM

10. We took our daughter to. Brewer game at

one week. She's a fan for life now at 22.

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Response to postulater (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:53 AM

13. I'll never forget the look on the nice lady's face at target who asked how old our son was...

...when I had to consult my watch.

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Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:06 AM

15. At 8 am, no doubt!

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Response to postulater (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:21 AM

17. If memory serves, the answer was 16 or 17 hours old.

Don't mess with momma. She is tough as nails.

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Response to postulater (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:10 AM

16. But she had been discharged from the hospital by then! :) nt

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:22 AM

18. No, she was born at home. nt

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:26 AM

11. The hospital and the staff better contact their attorneys.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:59 AM

21. They already have attorneys on the job. The staff did call a "Code Pink" on the guy.

He kicked a nurse in the pelvis and sent her flying.

He's not playing with a full deck, I think...

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Response to MADem (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:37 AM

36. he ALLEGEDLY kicked her in the pelvis

except when she says he kicked her in the crotch. Or are you an eye witness?

She says she tried to stabilize the babies violently rocking head. The ER Doctor says the baby slept through the entire event. The father says she made a grab for his baby.

In the scuffle, she could have sent herself flying. Without either video of the kick or a foot-shaped bruise in her pelvis or crotch reason, it's he-said, she-said.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:15 PM

41. What, she flung herself backward out of that elevator for shits-n-giggles?

Please.

There is video, it's at one of the links here. I'd be astounded if any person could fly backwards with that degree of force without some help--either a shove or a push with a shod foot.

I'm sure the first thing the nurse's lawyer advised her to do was get a full physical. I'll bet there's a fine bruise to support the nurse's claim. The hospital and nurses are lawyered up--they aren't taking any shit, and they shouldn't. The onus is on the Faux Snooze reporter to prove he didn't do anything amiss, and the "tale of the tape" won't help him, I'll wager. I'll bet there's video of what happened in the elevator--most elevators have video. Just because the hospital didn't release it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I am astounded that anyone could defend the actions of that intemperate asshole. He endangered his kid and acted like the basic rules, common to any medical facility, didn't apply to him.


The latest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/lawyer-ny-nurse-called-in-kidnapping-alert-when-rfks-son-tried-to-take-his-newborn-for-walk/2012/02/26/gIQAxI0gbR_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop


NEW YORK — A lawyer for a suburban New York maternity nurse says she called in a hospital alert for a newborn abduction when one of Robert F. Kennedy’s sons tried to take his own son off the floor for a walk.

A group of nurses says they saw Douglas Kennedy head for the door but they were not sure if he had permission to take the child. A lawyer for the nurses tells the New York Post (http://nyp.st/AfGmNY ) that hospital guidelines say a newborn can’t leave the ward without written permission. The nurses say Kennedy attacked them and injured them.

Kennedy has been charged with harassment and child endangerment in the Jan. 7 altercation. Kennedy and his wife say in a statement that the charges are “absurd.”

He was arraigned Thursday.

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Response to MADem (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:52 PM

48. are you saying Kennedy fell on his ass with his baby in his arms for shits and giggles?

Ever been in a tug o'war? You don't need to be kicked to go flying.

The other person doesn't even need to let go. All you need to do is lose your grip and balance, and you will go flying.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #48)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:59 PM

50. And the hospital, stating for the public record that they have video, are going to lie?

Please. That woman did not go flying from a "tug of war." There was plainly force behind her--she was kicked or shoved. My money is on kicked with a shod foot, with the same sort of motion one uses to kick down a door.

We'll see, though, eventually, won't we? We will have to revisit this discussion when the Fox reporter is found guilty.

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Response to MADem (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:20 PM

53. since the video is public, obviously the hospital has video

Please indeed. Until video of him planting a foot on her is made public, the jury is still out on exactly what happened.

Are you suggesting that being guilty of working as a Fox reporter means you are automatically guilty of assault? Guilt by association?
I'll wait for the actual evidence, tyvm.

And yes, tug of war. I've gone flying *hard* without being kicked: walking my dogs, trimming horse's feet, horsing around with friends when I was a kid, playing tennis, hiking, pulling weeds with very strong root systems, etc.

The hospital will defend its nurses' actions in order to defend itself. That does NOT automatically mean the nurses choices were appropriate, the best choices, or even the correct protocol. That does not mean that behind closed doors the nurses won't be sent for special training or some kind of corrective action if it wasn't correct protocol.

The ER doctor -- who physically witnessed the event -- said Kennedy never kicked anybody and was a gentleman. Why is the ER doctor disputing the hospital's version of events?

Whatever did happen also caused Kennedy to land on his butt with his baby in his arms. That is not a good scenario. It really is no better a scenario than a nurse flying out of an elevator.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:28 AM

78. One more time, since you aren't getting it

The doc was a "friend" who did not work on that ward.

Not all the videos have been released to the public.

You have a nice day and enjoy your time here.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 12:41 AM

12. Recommend reading story at link and watching video -

- as it tells more of the story.

The article states he kicked a nurse in the pelvis, knocking her to the floor, WHILE holding the baby. Sorry, that's not normal behavior.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:20 AM

19. Couldn't Tell Much From Video

Because some of the key footage was edited out -- plus, it was so jerky that it was hard to follow. The narrative also described events that must have happened after the video ended. Lastly, the doctor and nurses were apparently giving Kennedy conflicting advise, further complicating the situation. Plus the doctor was an emergency room doctor/family friend so his role is a strange one in this case. I find it odd that a father would want to do any more that hold the baby while it was in the hospital so I'm not sure why he would even want to take it outside for some fresh air. Lastly, it seems that the nurses should have engaged the Code Pink procedure earlier in the process instead of attempting to get physically involved themselves. That should have closed and locked doors prior to gaining access to the elevator or stairwell and taken some of the tension/emotion out of the situation. Both Kennedy and the doctor look to be in the wrong though the degree can't be established from the story and video.

Lastly, I found it interesting that Kennedy worked for the New York Post and later for Fox News, suggesting that he might be a conservative.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:11 AM

23. The doctor was a "friend" who didn't work there--he had no authority in the facility.

And, per the video, the hospital did both Code Pink AND Code Purple (a new one on me--I am not a health care expert). I think he just wanted to wander off with the kid without checking out (who knows, maybe the kid needed additional care, I dunno...), and they weren't having it.

It's pretty clear that the nurse by the elevator took a hit--she goes flying to the floor in the video.

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Response to MADem (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:55 PM

27. Not So

From the article: "he was accompanied by a doctor from the hospital's emergency room, identified in court papers as "Dr. Haydock," later determined to be Dr. Timothy Haydock, a longtime family friend."

Plus, the missing footage I spoke of concerned how the nurse ended up on the floor as the video does not show her flying to the floor.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:35 PM

29. He was an ER doctor--NOT a "maternity ward" doctor.

He had no role in that section of the hospital.

I don't know what footage you are looking at, but I clearly saw the nurse enter the elevator and almost immediately fly out of it as if kicked with great force, landing on her back.

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Response to MADem (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:11 AM

85. you might want to update post 23-- "The doctor was a "friend" who didn't work there"

And we need a new rule...

If two DU'ers are going to argue about a story or article, both must read the complete piece first.


For us other bums just reading two people going back and forth it sucks It's like watching a horror movie and you scream at the tv, run outside, run outside, but NOOOOOOOOOOO- she still gets stabed in the back

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #85)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:24 AM

87. He was a friend who did not work on the maternity ward.

He worked in the ER, which was no where NEAR the maternity ward. Different role, different function. ER--first floor. Maternity--top floor.

I have a suggestion for you, to mitigate what clearly seems to be your over-controlling nature and prevent you from being upset and distraught over things on a message board that are not directed at you, but for some odd reason disturb you nonetheless--there is a button called HIDE THREAD. Poof--stuff that bothers you is ALL GONE. There is another button called IGNORE...that one is more like a surgeon's scalpel.

Either one will make your DU experience better and neither one will hurt my feelings, so punch away--much better than trying to tell other people what to do. See, you do have the tools--why don't YOU use them?

FWIW, I 'did' read the whole article, AND I watched the video.

If you'd been paying attention, you'd realize we don't have "rules" here anymore, new or otherwise.

Now, you toddle off and have one of those nice days, now.

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Response to MADem (Reply #87)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:57 AM

88. I can't toddle off I'm stuck on a conf. call- and you wrote "he had no authority in the facility."

When one uses the term facility the entire building is referenced. You don't have a different facilities mgmt. for each floor LOL. I guess since this happened in your home state is why you are all over it Just wanting you folks to read everything before getting into it. Us viewers want both parties to be as fully informed as possible.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #88)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:11 AM

89. I didn't say building or hospital complex. You have fingers, you know.

I'm guessing you know how to type, too. If you had a question about my use of terms, you could have asked, rather like adults do, instead of snarking and finger-wagging.

It's not all that difficult to do, you know.

And you are giving me an unintentional bit of amusement today:

Just wanting you folks to read everything before getting into it.


For someone who crabs at people for not reading, you have some hard work to do yourself.

I guess since this happened in your home state is why you are all over it


This incident took place just outside of NYC. In Westchester, specifically.

My "home state" is MA, not NY. That's why my name is "MA" (for Massachusetts) Dem (for Democrat). It's even in my profile, just in case there's any question.

Have one of those swell days, now...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #89)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 11:56 AM

90. I didn't read it, wasn't that interested, but your back and forth was interesting...

You should be proud actually

message boards is fun LOL, what one calls snark another may call wit and sarcasm


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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:08 AM

22. He has been charged. The nurses he kicked and arm twisted are planning to sue.

The video is not helpful to his case, I don't think. I guess they did a "Code Pink" and AFTER that, a "Code Purple."

Douglas Kennedy, the son of Robert F. Kennedy, was charged with child endangerment and fighting with two maternity nurses after they blocked him from taking his three-day old baby boy out of a Westchester hospital.

The Camelot heir claims he was taking the infant boy, Boru, out for some fresh air on Jan. 7 as his wife, Molly, recuperated from a Caesarean section, according to a source close to the family.

Kennedy, 44, a reporter for Fox News, is alleged to have twisted the wrist of one of the nurses and kicked another in the groin when they got in his way at Northern Westchester Hospital.

The broadcaster surrendered to the Mt. Kisco Police Department Thursday after the Westchester District Attorney filed charges. He was released on his own recognizance.




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/rfk-son-douglas-kennedy-charged-child-endangerment-3-day-old-son-westchester-hospital-article-1.1028365#ixzz1nO19aUOL

I guess the "Boru" name is a reference to the Irish King? http://www.babynamesofireland.com/brian-boru-legend

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:33 AM

35. the nurses he ALLEGEDLY kicked and arm twisted...

From the article, there is a lot of he-said, she said. 2 nurses versus husband, wife and ER Doctor who says he was a gentleman the entire time.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:19 PM

42. He said, she said, and the video said.

There isn't much doubt that someone caused that nurse to exit the elevator backward at great force.

We'll see. I'm betting on the hospital, not Rupert Murdoch's Bought-n-Paid-For Skakel-Kennedy.

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Response to MADem (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:56 PM

49. that someone could just as easily be the nurse herself

Ever lose your grip or balance (or both) when you were hanging onto something, or possibly pulling on it?

My 60 pound dog can send me flying without even trying. Forget the 85 pound dog. I've gotten some lovely bruises and a badly sprained ankle "walking" him.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #49)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:01 PM

51. You aren't seriously suggesting that a maternity ward nurse was using a child as a tug of war rope?



Give it up.

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Response to MADem (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:41 PM

55. you aren't seriously misrepresenting what I wrote? Maybe she grabbed his arm. Or are you suggesting

that once he was in the elevator and free of her, he turned and maliciously kicked her for sport?

What I am suggesting is that if you are holding onto something and pulling, and you lose your grip, you will go flying. That something could have been his arm. It could have been the door. I have gone flying hard just trying to pull out a weed, for cripes sake.

As far as give it up, all you have proven so far is that Kennedy is (gasp) related to Skakel and (gasp) works for the enemy.

Give it up yourself. His family connections to Skakel mean he's guilty of anything he's accused of, end of story. The very reason I left Massachusetts.



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Response to magical thyme (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:30 AM

79. How nice for you that you left Massachusetts.

How nice for me, too, apparently.

You have a nice day now.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:42 AM

25. there will likely be more serious charges soon for the kick...

 

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:47 AM

26. I've read accounts;

Where if you do not have adequate insurance baby and mom are released the same day as the delivery, as long as there are no complications.

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:12 PM

28. not with C-section. Hospital recoup is 5 days min.

 

C-section is abdominal surgery. Initally not as painfull as vaginal child birth, but recoup from C-section is much more intensive then recoup from vaginal delivery.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:23 PM

31. When are either of these people running for public office?

I learned a long time ago on DU that a magical combination of surname and genetic markers were far more than enough to qualify someone for the house, senate, and even president. So, we seem to possibly have two contenders here. When are they going to "primary" someone else?!?!

I DEMAND ANSWERS!!! CALL CONGRESS RIGHT-FUCKING-NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVENSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:32 PM

46. The guy works for Rupert Murdoch--he'd have to run on the GOP ticket to keep his job. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 02:15 PM

56. But people would still say we should vote for him, because the Kennedy name is magical. nt.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:26 AM

76. Words and deeds, not pedigree. This is America. nt

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:32 AM

32. Jesus, talk about arrogant entitlement....

My son has spent more time in hospitals than I would care to discuss. Both as a newborn and each of the 5 years since then. In no hospital we've been in can you you just take the baby or kid out for some "fresh air". I love that they say that as though them wanting to do that just automatically makes it o.k. and exempts them from basic hospital rules. What kind of bubble residing moron would ever think that was o.k. Hospitals go on lockdown and arrest people when they try that so in actuality the nurses were trying to do him a favor probably by trying to stop him first by discussing it with him rather than just calling in the code pink or the code blue.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:07 AM

33. Seems like it....

and that Dr. "Friend", so ready to bash the nurses?

Something is up here.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 11:45 AM

38. or a money grab

Really, we don't know what happened. We know what the nurses say. We know what the mother and father say. We know what the ER doctor says. That's about it.

I wonder about the ER doctor -- would he lie to his employer and the police to protect his long-term friend? Because he says the nurses' claims of violence are untrue.

We also don't know if they've been permitted to take prior babies out for a walk by nurses and doctors who chose to look the other way or bend the rules for them. So it may have been a surprise for them to find themselves stopped and apprehended as kidnappers.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #38)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 04:14 PM

57. Video shows...

him walking to the elevator with the baby in his hand and the nurse clearly trying to stop him.

Like I said, they admit in their own statement that they were trying to take the baby out for some fresh air. The fact is you don't do that. At any hospital. Whether they had gotten an exception made before, they shouldn't have and if the nurses told him not to, and were eventually forced to call a code pink then the fact is he was breaking the rules. Period. Again, I've been in enough hospitals and spent literally months in several different neonatal units to know that a doctor not affilliated with that wing/department/whatever would have minimal to no authority to let them walk out with a baby and without proper security.

There's enough evidence both in their own statements, and on the video and the fact that the DA feels they have enough evidence to charge him for me to fall on the side of believing that it's a case of arrogant entitlement. More so than to believe that these nurses intentionally told him he could go out with the baby, then decided to stop him just as a provocation, only so they could sue him. Even if it wasn't a set up where they told him in advance he could go out, the fact is if he was walking out with the baby and the nurses told him to stop, he should have. Period. Doesn't matter whether he was able to woo people prior with his name and influence, if it's against the rules and they told him to stop he should have.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 05:20 PM

58. oh, obviously he should have stopped and gotten the appropriate DRs permission. although, quite fran

kly, hospital policies are their rules and not exactly local, state or federal law.

Why did the nurse get into a physical altercation with a man carrying his own baby. Code Pink locks down the hospital. Nobody leaves. He wasn't going anywhere, so she didn't need to grab onto him or grab for the baby.

Her physical intervention, from what I've read, led to him falling down while holding his baby, putting his baby at much greater risk than the elevator ride would have. That showed very poor judgement, imho. It may even have violated hospital policy -- I know that outside the maternity ward, we are specifically instructed NOT to directly intervene during a code pink, but watch out our window and only get a description and report to security if we see somebody with a suspicious bundle or package.

Since she "went flying" and landed on her back and he apparently simultaneously fell on his butt. I t seems to me entirely possible that somebody was pulling on somebody, lost his or her grip and they both fell down.

6+ weeks later, he is charged, accused of kicking a nurse and twisting the arm of another nurse, and the nurses are suing him.

The hospital supports the nurse's version. Not surprising.
The video does not show anybody kicking anybody.
The ER doctor who was there disputes the hospital's (and his employer's) claim and says Kennedy never kicked or was violent toward anybody.
The baby's mother who was there disputes the hosptial's claim, but that is not surprising.

The nurse who claims to have been kicked told her husband she was "stunned to be in a scrap with Douglas Kennedy."

My question is was she "stunned to be in a scrap" period or "stunned to be in a scrap with Kennedy?" In other words, not stunned to be in an altercation, but just at the specific person.

I can't view the video, didn't witness the discussion,and have only read the various sides. I don't know that it is a case of "arrogant entitlement" or just several people used to having their own way getting into an argument that escalated into a fight. Which, after the fact, the poorer of the people see an opportunity to sue the wealthy one.

As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out and I'm open to all possibilities. I refuse to convict him ahead of a trial, based on his wealth or his connections.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:10 PM

60. The crime aspect is up to the jury.

All I said was that of what I could see in the video and what I read of their statement, and what he did he was clearly exhibiting arrogant entitlement.

By trying to go outside in the first place, by assuming having his doctor friend from the ER with him was some sort of pass from hospital rules that anyone who is there for a day knows exists, by releasing a statement saying that this was all just a matter of trying to get their baby some fresh air there is no doubt in my mind that he acted arrogantly and entitled. Just on the stuff that I flat out know. These are the actions and words of an asshole and remind me of every entitled asshole I've ever known (and I've known plenty).

Who did what as far as the aggression and all of that, like I said it's for the jury to decide, not me. But again, given what I do know, it does not seem at all like this is someone who respects the authority of the hospital or anyone in it so there's little about him or his behavior that I do know and can read and see that makes him the least bit sympathetic to me.

Again, I've been the father, with the baby in the hospital. And as frustrated as I may have gotten at times with nurses or doctors, I recognize that in that situation, in that place they are the authority. If I have an issue with that I know there are proper channels to go through and proper protocol. I've held my tongue and my hand, and my patience in far more urgent and pressing and actually medical situations than simply "I want my baby to get some fresh air", so I have zero sympathy or respect for someone who can't do the same. It should never have even gotten to the point where he was walking around with the baby out of the ward. Even if the nurse grabbed him, I do blame him to a very large degree for being in that situation in the first place and for putting the nurses in that position in the first place.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:39 PM

64. except it turns out they stopped by the nurses' station first for permission

they probably arrogantly thought that once they got permission at the nurses' station, that their planned walk was ok.

Also, it turns out he never was walking around with the baby off the ward. One nurse approached yelling and blocked the elevator. So he headed to the stairs. The other nurse lunged toward him there. He lifted his leg in self-defense, which is when she fell down.

According to the ER doctor who actually witnessed it, he never yelled. According to the ER doctor -- who has to work with those nurses and their associates at this hospital -- the nurses were the aggressors.

The facts are coming out, and it's looking to me like hospital overreach.

Yes, there are policies. But he didn't put the nurses in that position. He got permission at the nurses' station. It's not his fault that somebody mistakenly gave him permission. It's also not his fault that somebody else came running up to him yelling at him.

And running up to a possible child abductor and yelling at them is NOT smart. Unfortunately, people do bring weapons into hospitals.

I'm increasingly thinking the nurses effed up here. Actually working in a hospital, you learn that the policies are not always clear and they get changed. They also vary from one hospital to the next, and people forget which policy the current hospital uses. So people make policy mistakes all the time. And then somebody else comes along and makes the first mistake worse, and the situation escalates.

They may be the "authority figures" but they do not own you, policies are not laws, and that doesn't give *them* the right to be rude or aggressive. But then, I work in a hospital and I know first hand how unnecessarily rude and obnoxious some of the staff can be. More than once, I've been yelled at by a nurse for supposedly making a mistake endangering her patient, when the facts proved that the nurse was the one who had made the mistake. So I know they are not little gods and goddesses.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 07:00 PM

65. I'm not even necessarily defending the nurses...

Again, I've spent enough time in the hospital to know that they are far from perfect and have their own issues and power trips. Which is why, who pushed who or did what in terms of the criminal case or civil suit are of no concern to me. Let them all make their cases and have a judge and/or jury decide. It's why nowhere in this thread have I said "Oh, these poor, put upon nurses were assaulted and they are just so innocent and were just trying to protect this baby." It's very possible and very plausible that they were less than pleasant in their dealings here.

But none of that has anyt bearing on the notion that his precious baby needed some fresh air, the notion that having a doctor friend with them gave them some kind of pass, the notion that if a nurse who works there tells you to stop or not go out that you don't and in fact continue on to the stairs....again....arrogance. I'm not sure what your horse is in the race here or why you're so hell bent on giving this guy the benefit of the doubt on every level, but whatever. I spent 5 months in a hospital with my kid never knowing when he was going to be able to go home, let alone not able to get him outside to get him some fresh air, and let alone without a doctor from another department for me to strut around with and use to get me past nurse's stations. I've had nurses and doctors go to do things to my son that I did not want them to do and didn't give them permission to do. I've gone to do things to my son to care for him and had nurses yell at me to stop. I know what protocol is, and in each case rather than ignoring the person and doing what I wanted anyway, and rather than simply walking away from them I went through the proper chain of command and handled the situation the way it needed to be handled and respected authority and chain of command and order, recognizing that there was more at stake than just my own kid getting what I wanted or thought he needed and that there were other people and other families and other kids at that hospital who could be impacted in some way by how I handled the situation..

So again: I'll let the jury decide the criminal and civil cases. If they review the evidence and testimonies and let him off....then that's for them to do and I have no horse in the race and I'm fine with the judgment. It's very possible there was nothing criminal here. My comment on all this is that the guy by all evidence and accounts (even his own statement) acted like a spoiled, entitled prick who didn't think the rules applied to him and thought that his connections somehow would get him around them and for whom getting his kid something (in this case to be outside in fresh air) that I'm sure every parent in that place wanted for their kid, but the rest of whom either managed to follow the rules, or didn't have the connections to be able to even come close to not following the rules. Either way........asshole. I don't care if his name is Kennedy or Jones or Smith or whatever. If I read this story without knowing it had anything to do with a Kennedy I would feel exactly the same way.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #65)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 07:18 PM

66. I'm sorry for all you have been through

but I don't see where he acted like a spoiled prick, based on what I've read.

The 2 doctors got permission for the walk at the nurses' station. They headed to the elevator. They say a nurse came up to them yelling. They left the elevator and headed toward the stairs. Another nurse lunged toward him/his baby. He protected his baby from her.

I think we're basically on the same page. I've be in the "jury is out" mode until I read that they went to the nurses' station first. Now I believe his version and the Drs. version.

I don't think they had a chance to elevate this through "proper channels." They went to the proper channel, started on their way, got intercepted by a yelling nurse and it all happened so quickly, that was that.

This whole thread and the new one bother me because there is a strong attitude of "he's guilty" because he's a Kennedy, so must have been behaving like an entitled 1%er.

The fact is, we don't know how he behaved throughout the entire incident.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 07:39 PM

67. I legitimately don't think he broke any laws.....

...assuming he didn't actually push the nurse which I agree we don't have any proof he did and I think it would be hard for a jury to prove he did or did not either way and the burden of proof is on the DA to prove he did.

But the 2 things that are indisputable, even in their own account of this, and on which I'm basing my opinion of this guy and his actions are: 1) The entire notion of taking his kid out for fresh air. You just don't do that in a hospital and your precious kid will not suffer one single fraction of an iota if they don't get their "fresh air" and 2) A nurse yelled at them to stop and he didn't just put his hands up or stop in his tracks and go "Whoa....o.k.....I'm stopping....let's sort this out", especially given that what he was trying to do was of zero urgency and zero medical importance for his child.

I could probably take it even further with the notion that they actually got 2 doctors involved in getting the permission for this. I've seen parents beg to be able to even speak to doctors about their kids actual medical treatments and care. Let alone getting 2 of them involved solely for the purpose of getting their several day old kid some fresh air.

I'm probably overly and very sensitive on this subject. Because I am a reasonably educated, english speaking white guy with excellent insurance and enough money and resources to get my kid the best care and treatment that I can. And it's destroyed my soul more times than I've cared to remember to watch people not from that background and without my resources or ability to understand or articulate concerns or whatever, get less care and less treatment for their sick children or their newborns or whatever. I have literally been offered special treatment and extra care that I have turned down because I saw other people getting lesser care as a result of it and could not live with myself doing that. So although I'm far from a Kennedy, I'm in a good enough position and have been in similar enough circumstances and situations to be able to sit in judgment of this situation and even in the most generous, and benefit of the doubt giving frame of mind I have nothing but contempt for someone who would act as he did in this situation.

If there's not enough evidence to convict him, and it doesn't appear there is or would be then he should not be charged. And I hope he gets off. But there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that even with what I know this whole situation erupted because he either didn't think the rules applied to him, or thought that he could and should be able to get around them.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #67)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 07:58 PM

68. I don't see anything outrageous in a father

wanting to take his newborn out for a stroll.

Again, I'm sorry for what you have suffered with your own child. But with a healthy baby who is only in the hospital waiting for the mother to recuperate enough to go home, there is no harm and only benefit from the father also having bonding time.

Personally, while I understand the hospital's need for policies to protect themselves from liability, I also have issue with policies that prevent normal, healthy activities. They don't own you or your baby. Patients are also customers or clients, and all deserve to be treated as such.

I don't know about them getting 2 doctors involved for the permission. He was visiting with the on-duty ER doctor -- was that doctor supposed to be in the ER treating patients at the time? I was assuming he was on a break, which even ER employees do get from time to time.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:17 PM

72. Hey

I appreciate the sentiments, and despite it all as I indicated there are so many more out there deserving of more sympathy and understanding than I am. Which is my problem with this and why I just don't quite understand why you want to defend this guy so much even beyond just giving the legal benefit of the doubt as we should in all cases. Just as I'm conceding my own personal bias in this issue and why I'm taking the position I am, there must be something more that's causing you to be so defensive of this guy, even beyond the "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" which everyone's entitled to and which we should all defend. You don't even seem willing to concede that he might be less than a sympathetic character in this situation.

I'm not disputing bonding time with the dad at all. It's a great thing and far from harmful and I haven't heard that they were preventing him from spending time with his kid. And regardless of whether the policies of leaving the floor are just ones or a bit much or whatever reason they are for, they are in place and if you choose to be a "customer" there and give your business you are obliged to follow the rules. It's not like this is some arcane or ridiculously specific rule that only this hospital asks. It's across the board and common at all hospitals in all cases.

But yeah, for whatever reason you seem to be very defensive of this guy. I see in another post in another portion you mention something involving people being against the Kennedy's as "the reason you left" MA. So there's obviously some element of a personal connection here, if not only are you willing to go to this length in the thread to defend the guy but also apparently left an entire state because of people's perception of or treatment of his family (unless I was mis-reading that post or statement, in which case I apologize).

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Response to vi5 (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:25 PM

73. Interesting, isn't it?

There's something personal going on here.

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Response to mainer (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:52 PM

75. gee, my very own stalker

try looking in a mirror.

And welcome to ignore.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:50 PM

74. I must not be writing very clearly today

I did not leave Massachusetts because people are against the Kennedy's. What I was referring to is a tendency for people in Massachusetts especially (and I find in New England in general) to judge people based on their bloodlines instead of facts. It has to do with the insularity of the small New England towns and the number of multi-generational Americans who came over on the Mayflower. I was responding to a poster who was essentially convicting Kennedy based not on any actual facts, which were scant at the time, but the fact that he's a "Skakel" Kennedy, and therefore obviously violently kicked the nurse because his "Skakel" side came out. It's ridiculous. I have a cousin who embezzled money from his company. That does not mean I stole the missing coffee fund money at work. Except in Massachusetts, it would.

My intention is not to convict or exonerate Kennedy. I have written repeatedly that we do not have the facts. Early on in particular, a *lot* of posters were jumping to conclusions and assuming arrogance on the part of Kennedy and total innocence of the heroic nurses.

I do not assume Kennedy is arrogant, I don't assume his behavior was entitled and I don't assume he intentionally kicked the nurse. My take in the beginning was that there was a misunderstanding that escalated quickly with fault on both sides. I still think the same. But as you have written, we weren't there and a jury will have to sort it out.

I think for the hospital to file child endangerment this situation is overreach.
I think the nurses over-reacted. From what I've read they knew exactly who he was.

Furthermore, there are Code Pink policies in place and they worked without the nurses having to actively intervene and endanger the baby. Kennedy was apprehended at the stairwell where he allegedly kicked the nurse.

As I wrote elsewhere, it takes 2+ to have a shoving match. The initiated the altercation, so are the guiltier party.

As to why I am writing in this thread so much -- sadly, boredom and escapism. This is as close to a conversation as I can muster today. I'm too tired to get anything done, don't want to think about going to work tomorrow. I hate my current job and was supposed to start job hunting today, but was too bone-chilled and tired to make any forward movement.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 02:54 AM

83. So effin what?


Obviously, if two nurses had a problem with him leaving, and someone else had given him permission, then the course of action is to sort it out among the nurses and whoever had given the permission.

The solution is not to act like a dick.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:22 PM

44. Maternity nurse Cari Luciano says she was stunned to be in scrap with Douglas Kennedy

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/maternity-nurse-cari-luciano-stunned-scrap-douglas-kennedy-article-1.1028535

The petite, Brooklyn-born nurse who tussled with Robert F. Kennedy’s son in a hospital maternity ward was stunned that she fought with a member of Camelot, her husband said Saturday.

Steve Luciano, 57, said his 5-foot-tall wife, Cari, was just doing her job when she tried to stop Douglas Kennedy from leaving the hospital with his 2-day-old baby boy.

“Her comment to me that night was, ‘I was assaulted tonight and could you believe it, it was a Kennedy who did it?’” Luciano told the Daily News on Saturday in front of his Hopewell Junction home.

He said his wife and nurse Anna Lane were simply trying to stop Kennedy, 44, from leaving the Northern Westchester Hospital with the baby, Boru, on Jan. 7 against hospital rules....



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/maternity-nurse-cari-luciano-stunned-scrap-douglas-kennedy-article-1.1028535#ixzz1nVeZIWdi

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 05:59 PM

59. Ah... The arrogance of the 1%!

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:24 PM

61. so Kennedy and the on-duty ER doctor stopped by the Nurse's Station first

Kennedy was accompanied by a family friend, Dr. Timothy Haydock, who was also an on-duty doctor at the hospital, during the Jan. 7 skirmish.

“I witnessed the incident and I can state unequivocally that the nurses were the only aggressors,” Haydock said.

The two men stopped by the nurses’ station with Kennedy’s newborn son, who was bundled in blankets and wearing a hat, before heading toward the elevators, where the incident was captured on surveillance video.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/02/surveillence-video-shows-robert-f-kennedys-son-in-scuffle-with-nurses/

Looks to me like they cleared it with a nurse at the station first and had the baby dressed appropriately. The article states the video shows him lift his leg -- it doesn't say anything about kicking.

I think the nurses overreacted and I suspect that one grabbed hold of him, so he pulled her hand off of him, and the other lunged for the baby, so he lifted his leg in self defense. The one that touched him first -- that's battery.

I think child endangerment is a case of hospital overreach. The nurses endangered the baby more than the father. I believe the ER doctor -- he has to work with and depend on all the nurses every day. The hospital is his employer; I don't think he's going to dispute their claim lightly. Harassment -- when one nurse touched him first and the other made a grab for his baby?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #61)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:08 PM

70. Where is the off-duty doctor in the video?

Is he the guy in the scrub suit who shows up to catch the nurse as she falls out of the elevator?

If he's off-duty, why is he in a scrub suit?

And if he wasn't in the elevator, he didn't witness anything.

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Response to mainer (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 12:33 AM

80. +1,000 nt

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:32 PM

62. Maybe working for fox has done it.

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Response to mia (Original post)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 06:39 PM

63. Behold the power of the *FK

Ensures that shitty behavior will be rationalized by at least one person.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:07 PM

69. Does anyone see the "off-duty doctor friend" in the video?

The guy who says he witnessed the whole thing, and swears that Douglas Kennedy is innocent?

I see one guy in a scrub suit who only shows up after the scuffle begins, and catches the nurse as she falls out of the elevator. There is NO DOCTOR in the elevator with Kennedy. So he couldn't have witnessed the altercation.

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Sun Feb 26, 2012, 08:16 PM

71. Dr. Haydock, the family friend who "witnessed the whole thing" is a liar

He's nowhere in the video.

He has practiced for 33 years, which makes him about 58 years old. He is not in the elevator, he is not in the hallway. He did not see the scuffle.

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