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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:06 AM

Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit

Source: Politico

Former President Jimmy Carter condemned possible chemical weapons attacks in Syria, but called for a “peace conference” and working with the United Nations, rather than using a military solution.

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“It is imperative to determine the facts of the attack and present them to the public. Those responsible for the use of chemical weapons must bear personal responsibility,” Carter said in the statement. “The chemical attack should be a catalyst for redoubling efforts to convene a peace conference, to end hostilities, and urgently to find a political solution.”

The Carter Center urged against a military response to possible chemical weapons use without a U.N. mandate, saying the action would be “illegal under international law and unlikely to alter the course of the war.”

“Instead, all should seek to leverage the consensus among the entire international community, including Russia and Iran, condemning the use of chemical weapons in Syria and bringing under U.N. oversight the country’s stockpile of such weapons,” the center said in the statement.




Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jimmy-carter-syria-peace-summit-96087.html?hp=l1_b4

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Reply Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit (Original post)
David__77 Aug 2013 OP
HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #1
karynnj Aug 2013 #2
David__77 Aug 2013 #4
karynnj Aug 2013 #35
avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #5
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #11
karynnj Aug 2013 #36
cosmicone Aug 2013 #27
John2 Aug 2013 #33
karynnj Aug 2013 #37
Mr.Bill Aug 2013 #3
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #12
karynnj Aug 2013 #38
kentuck Aug 2013 #6
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #13
tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #7
QuestForSense Aug 2013 #8
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #10
Scootaloo Aug 2013 #15
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #16
Scootaloo Aug 2013 #17
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #18
Scootaloo Aug 2013 #20
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #21
Scootaloo Aug 2013 #22
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #23
devils chaplain Aug 2013 #25
durablend Aug 2013 #29
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #30
cosmicone Aug 2013 #28
newfie11 Aug 2013 #9
Divernan Aug 2013 #14
Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #19
Festivito Aug 2013 #24
Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26
Coyotl Aug 2013 #31
Jefferson23 Aug 2013 #32
locks Aug 2013 #34

Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:11 AM

1. At last somebody is finally making sense....

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:30 AM

2. It ignores that both were tried already

Kerry and the Russian Foreign Minister had agreed on Geneva 2 peace - but there was never agreement from the rebels and Assad. How do have a peace conference when each side things they will win it all? As to the UN, there was no consensus because Russia and China said they would veto anything against Assad.


Maybe the International Court could indict him?

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Response to karynnj (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:59 AM

4. The government agreed to participate in Geneva II - insurgents did not.

What you said is not accurate. The Syrian government had no precondition at all. The insurgents said that they will not negotiate until the government essentially surrenders.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:07 PM

35. "from the rebels and Assad"

Assad was not in agreement until the war tipped in his favor - then the rebels were against it.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:59 AM

5. It makes even less sense the U.S. has to kill a bunch of people to get people to the peace table.

I think Carter is right. Offer the peace table. Let them sort it out, we have no moral authority to stick our nose into any military action there. We should be at the ready to help facilitate a political solution when they finally figure out they have nothing to gain be killing each other.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:45 AM

11. We have no moral authority.

That was gone after Iraq.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:12 PM

36. I agree that a peace conference would be better - and Kerry (representing Obama) and Lavrov

(representing Putin) have called for one. My point was that Carter was ignoring what was already on the table - and it was posted as if there was no Obama dffort to get a political solution.

As to being at the ready when they are -- that has always been true and the problem is that Assad wants to give nothing and the rebels want to give Assad and his side nothing - they are nowhere near the point that you mention.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:21 AM

27. If the world says no, we should stay put

and not get into another war for Israel.

Israel wants Hizbollah weakened without firing a shot.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:21 PM

33. I keep hearing these arguments

 

given the moral side to the U.S., Israel,Britain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and these Governments people are claiming is right. This is pre ordained and War cannot be avoided. I'm surprised people continue to believe these trumped up charges by these groups when they wanted a pretense to go to War because they believe the other side is incapable of responding.

Obama has been trying to find the right opportunity to commit U.S. forces to War because he promised Netanyahu. You are mistaken if you think this only involves Syria period. Syria is just the stepping stone for a wider War with Hezbullah and Iran. He and Netanyahu have their eyes on Iran by the end of the year. Mark my words in what I say.

The catastrophe will be yet another long War started by another American Administration on the advice of Israel in this Decade which will use a lot of U.S. resources. It will place the U.S. into further debt and destroy what is left of the so called safety net for this country.

If you think ground forces want eventually be needed, then you are sorely mistaken Madam. That includes more loss of American lives and injured veterans to care for. The warmongers in Washington makes War seem so simple but once you get into it, you will find it different.

Obama uses Israeli intelligence, and everyone knows Syria is a staunch enemy of Israel. They labeled the military wing of Hezbullah a terrorist organization but they have a backing in Lebanon. They see themselves as resistance fighters against Israel and the United States. Over 40 percent of Lebanon is Shia, which are the most populous group in that country. The rest is divided between Sunnis and Christians. Neither of the two groups support the Sunnis. Hezbullah has over 60,000 fighters and an equal number of missiles built up over the years against the Israelis and supported by Iran. The Shias do not care about religious extremism as much as the Sunni sect with the Muslim Brotherhood or Salafists. That is the same case with the Christians and Alawite minority. They would rather fight the Sunnis and none of them care for the Israelis invading their country everytime they feel like it.

That is the same situation in Syria. Even though the Alawites are 12 percent of that country's population, they have combined forces with the Orthodox Christians,Druze and Kurds which gives them a significant minority against the Sunni extremists. President Obama seems to be infactuated with the glory or patriotism of American domination over the years. These groups have been fighting the Muslim Brotherhood for decades through Assad's father. It is no different than Egypt.

The notion that these groups will just lie down and submitt to dominance by the U.S. and Israel is delusional. This is nothing but outside intervention by forces in the West. Then you have Iran. You think they are just going to sit back and let Obama and Israel invade Syria? Right now, many of these people consider the Saudi and Gulf states traitors. And why would you blame them? Kerry just like Bandar essentially tried to bully the Palestinian people into submission with his insulting demands. These people feelins have hardened even more, from their perspective. They see the U.S. as bias. When you oppress people and bully them for so long, there is a breaking point and they will fight. The Aghanistan President described President Obama as a person that shows indifference to certain people.

I'm noticing the symptons of it with his main backer as the mayor of Chicago and the Teachers Union. The signs of it with saying they and not we when it comes to compromising with the Republicans on Entitlements and introducing their Healthcare proposals and CPI. I'm noticing it will he doesn't take on the issues of racism and the high unemployment affecting minorities, especially African Americans and lecturing to Black male college students as if he was talking down to them.

I'm noticing it when he didn't directly take on the Bush Administrations violating International Law and waiting on Congress to make decisions about Guantanimo. He fights more for the neocons and one percent causes than the people that he swayed to put him in office. He talked down to the lady from code pink as if she was a lunatic or something about pulling our forces from Afghanistan. That is exactly what Clint Eastwood was talking about when referring to an empty chair. He didn't have the humility to meet Chavez and his latest immature actions over the Snowden affair. He defended the surveillance programs to the core while again pacifying the Left, as if their issues weren't so important as those neocons and rightwingers. So we are suppose to fall in line as usual like sheep?

There is no Hope and Change here. Itis the same stuff, just rewrapped. The bottomline, once you start a War, it will not end as easy or quick as you think. This man has three years left and the next President will be in a War. Our resources will continue to drain and Mr Obama is very mistaken. America will continue to decline and lose prestige around the World because of bad leaders just like Rome. When people become determined, you cannot stop them from gaining the same technology to defend themselves. America dropping the first nuclear bombs and gasing countries with agent Orange should be a testiment to that. All he is doing is creating more generations of hatred and enemies for this country. Our children will bare the fruits of what these people do too. That will be Mr Obama's legacy when he is dead and gone. It is ashame too for someone that was the first Black African American to rise to the Presidency.

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Response to John2 (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:19 PM

37. What a lot of nonsense

I have no idea where you get your news but there is much here that is extremely questionable.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:33 AM

3. What the hell does Carter know?

He didn't even have a war when he was president. Oh, wait...

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:45 AM

12. Yeah.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:30 PM

38. Look up "Carter doctrine"

It was - per Senator Lugar - the justification of the first Gulf War -- that started us down this path. (In a 2009 SFRC hearing with Congress, Lugar spoke of this - and there was no retraction of the idea by Carter.) The doctrine, that we need to protect our source of oil until the need is faze out. It is true that his goal was to quickly work to energy independence.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:04 AM

6. Blessed are the peacemakers.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:47 AM

13. Really?

That was the sissy Jesus stuff. Only the Old Testament counts when we're talking war and killin'

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:08 AM

7. There he is again—getting in the way. DAMMIT!!! I thought we got rid of him with Reagan!

Go get 'em Jimmy!

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:33 AM

8. I'm sorry that we didn't hear this from Obama.

If anyone recalls, this is precisely the sort of change people voted for.

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Response to QuestForSense (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:36 AM

10. We did.

As noted up the thread, Kerry and the Russian Foreign Minister had agreed on Geneva 2 peace talks but there was never agreement from the rebels and Assad; the rebels only would accept a complete surrender by Assad.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:12 AM

15. Except Assad DID agree, as David_77 noted several hours before this post of yours.

C'mon. Read the damn thread.

Hell, I'll even source it for you;
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/friends-syria-talks-geneva-peace-conference
The Syrian government has said it will attend the forthcoming peace conference. However, the opposition is in disarray, divided over whether to take part in any negotiations while Assad's departure is not recognised as a precondition.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:18 AM

16. So with the rebels refusing to deal, how do you have peace talks?

I didn't say Assad would not talk. Read my damn post.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:19 AM

17. That's the question, isn't it?

I was simply correcting your assertion.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:22 AM

18. I did not make an incorrect assertion.

You misread my post.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:25 AM

20. Re-reading it, perhaps I did.

THis is phrased a little oddly:
there was never agreement from the rebels and Assad

Because there was agreement from Assad. A more accurate phrasing would have been to simply note the rebels would not agree without hte procondition of Assad fucking off

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:29 AM

21. Yeah, what you said, without the typo.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:29 AM

22. "hte" is how I stick it to the system! DON'T OPPRESS ME!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #22)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:30 AM

23. LOL

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:57 AM

25. Am I understanding correctly...

That Assad is open to peace talks... but the rebels aren't, thus we'll have to bomb Assad because that makes peace talks not an option?

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Response to devils chaplain (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:48 AM

29. Yes

The same way our bombing more of their people will endear them to us.

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Response to devils chaplain (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:06 PM

30. No. As I understand it, the strike would not be to get get Assad at the table.

Assad has apparently already said he would talk. It's the rebels who won't cut a deal--unless the deal involves the Assad regime leaving. What I've read is that the limited strike would be to punish the Assad government for gassing 1,500 people and take away his means of conducting further such attacks or at least act as a deterrent to similar attacks. Others suggest a broader reason: to show when we say we don't want you to use certain weapons, we mean it, i.e., to create a deterrent for Iran and N. Korea's nuclear ambitions.

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Response to QuestForSense (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:22 AM

28. +1000 n/t

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:42 AM

9. Carter, the voice of reason

We need more polititians like him.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:53 AM

14. It's called statesmanship - and there's no MIC profits there, you see.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:24 AM

19. remember this one,,,

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:44 AM

24. A peace summit can be scarier than missiles to some.

What a good way to re assess after they crossed a line.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:04 AM

26. Well a first for me. Carter makes the right call. Obama should follow that advice.

 

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:11 PM

31. PEACE. What a novel idea in today's political world. Just what almost everyone wants though.

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:37 PM

32. K&R for Carter. n/t

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Response to David__77 (Original post)

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:37 PM

34. Finally, a voice of reason and peace

Jimmy Carter has lived through many wars. Most of our presidents have also but few have learned any lessons from them. Bush is now touted for "saving" the Iraq people; he should have resigned as LBJ did when he knew the Vietnam War saved no one and the thousands of lives lost and billions of dollars spent were in vain.

I have worked hard for Obama and will support him in every way I can. I voted for him because I agreed with most of his policies but most of all because I thought he would get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, decrease the military, and use negotiation in foreign policy. But I cannot and will never support a decision that will take us into another war, limited or not. He puts liberal Dems and our legislators in an hard place. How can the Dems not vote for military strikes when Obama says it is a moral cause and he needs to save face? If they do vote against military intervention will it look as if they are agreeing with the crazy hawks on the right? How many of our legislators now seriously regret that they voted for Bush's stupid and unnecessary war?

For many years I've marched for peace. That does not mean I think peace is easy and certainly not wimpy. Leaders like Martin Luther King Jr and Jimmy Carter learned how hard it is but they also learned any effort will bring better results than losing precious lives and giving our precious resources to the weapons contractors. I wish Obama would listen to him.

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