HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » Colorado County to vote o...
Introducing Discussionist: A new forum by the creators of DU

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:05 AM

Colorado County to vote on Secession

Source: Washington Post

Residents in a conservative northern Colorado county will vote this November on whether to secede and create a new state, after a local commission on Monday approved ballot language backed by tea party activists.

The Weld County Commission unanimously approved the resolution’s language, which reads: “Shall the Board of County Commissioners of Weld County, in concert with the county commissioners of other Colorado counties, pursue becoming the 51st state of the United States of America?”


Weld County is one of ten rural counties where activists have held meetings about seceding from Colorado. The activists started pushing for the meetings after this year’s legislative session, when Democrats who control the Colorado legislature passed new laws regulating firearms and oil exploration. The new measures, conservatives believe, are the latest steps taken by an overbearing legislature that’s Denver-centric, to the exclusion of the state’s rural areas.

The legislature also passed legislation legalizing same-sex civil unions this year, on a party-line vote.

Several county commissions have held public meetings on the topic since activists started bringing up the idea; the Weld County commission held four meetings before their vote on Monday.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/08/19/colorado-county-to-vote-on-secession/



This reminds me of what some people tried back in the late 50's. In Southern Oregon and Upper Northern Calif., an attempt was made to try and create "The State of Jefferson".

Not sure if they were as loony then as they are now. What do they plan to call it? Perhaps we should send them some suggestions.

Found out about Colorado on Tweety's show tonight, but learned about "State of Jefferson" when I lived in Medford Oregon many years ago.

Can't wait for the rapture or some friggin space aliens to take these mental midgets away somewhere. And I hope they don't forget Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan either.

We really could use a break.

Apologies if this is a repost.

42 replies, 4196 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 42 replies Author Time Post
Reply Colorado County to vote on Secession (Original post)
Left Coast2020 Aug 2013 OP
titaniumsalute Aug 2013 #1
beerandjesus Aug 2013 #20
eggplant Aug 2013 #2
HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #17
Left Coast2020 Aug 2013 #3
sakabatou Aug 2013 #4
the_chinuk Aug 2013 #5
madamesilverspurs Aug 2013 #6
newfie11 Aug 2013 #19
Sunlei Aug 2013 #23
librechik Aug 2013 #24
DreamGypsy Aug 2013 #7
davidpdx Aug 2013 #8
DreamGypsy Aug 2013 #12
davidpdx Aug 2013 #15
davidpdx Aug 2013 #9
otohara Aug 2013 #10
HeiressofBickworth Aug 2013 #11
underpants Aug 2013 #39
rpannier Aug 2013 #13
Nihil Aug 2013 #18
mountain grammy Aug 2013 #25
blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #14
freshwest Aug 2013 #16
CrispyQ Aug 2013 #28
telclaven Aug 2013 #31
Cha Aug 2013 #34
truebluegreen Aug 2013 #21
Sunlei Aug 2013 #22
mountain grammy Aug 2013 #26
no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #27
CrispyQ Aug 2013 #29
kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #30
LTR Aug 2013 #32
yellowcanine Aug 2013 #36
denverbill Aug 2013 #33
yellowcanine Aug 2013 #35
kwassa Aug 2013 #37
underpants Aug 2013 #40
kwassa Aug 2013 #41
LineLineNew Reply +
struggle4progress Aug 2013 #42
Earth_First Aug 2013 #38

Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:10 AM

1. Call it Dumfukistan N/T

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:17 AM

20. Good one, but they'll probably call it "Reagan"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:15 AM

2. No way in hell are they getting two senators for themselves. n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to eggplant (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:07 AM

17. That's my reaction, too.



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:16 AM

3. Moranistan?



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:18 AM

4. Do they not know what happened last time it happened?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:20 AM

5. Well, good luck with THAT.

It's going to take a lot more than an upvote from a bunch of butthurt 'baggers to create a state. If it's a protest thing then fine, but the creation of a state takes a lot more than a bunch of whiny malcontents voting one in.

Interestingly enough, while the State of Jefferson never came to pass, it's still a social thing in southwestern Oregon and northwestern Cali. As a matter of fact, the legend goes, the counties forming the notional state are considered seceeded one day a week by the locals until further notice.

I believe it's every Tuesday.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:26 AM

6. My home, unfortunately.

Owned and operated by old white guys for so long that they've forgotten that other people live here, too.

We're also one of the most densely fracked parts of the country, with well over 20K wells in the county, and now they're drilling within city limits. City council, along with the shitheads on the county commission, won't even consider telling the drillers to back off a bit. They're so damned enamored of the oil/gas money that nothing else matters. So, the most popular name for the new state is "Frackistan".

This has become a damned weird place to live.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:51 AM

19. I thought Greeley passed a law banning fracking in city limits

Or was it Ft Collins?
We were just down there yesterday getting our Subaru serviced and man the well drilling was everywhere you looked outside of town.
Scary

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:05 AM

23. ok, in my post I really noticed those thousands of well sites?..looks terrible on the maps.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:30 AM

24. "Welled County" n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:26 AM

7. The 51st state should be concerned about attacks by the Japanese...

...since a precedent was established in 1942 (not in the late 50's) by an attack against the proposed State of Jefferson (from Wikipedia):

In October 1941, the mayor of Port Orford, Oregon, Gilbert Gable, announced that the Oregon counties of Curry, Josephine, Jackson, and Klamath should join with the California counties of Del Norte, Siskiyou, and Modoc to form a new state, later named Jefferson.

On November 27, 1941, a group of young men gained national media attention when, brandishing hunting rifles for dramatic effect, they stopped traffic on U.S. Route 99 south of Yreka, and handed out copies of a Proclamation of Independence, stating that the state of Jefferson was in "patriotic rebellion against the States of California and Oregon" and would continue to "secede every Thursday until further notice."

The secession movement came to an abrupt end, though not before John C. Childs of Yreka was inaugurated as the governor of the State of Jefferson. The first blow was the death of Mayor Gable on December 2, followed by the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7. Secessionists focused their efforts on the war effort, which crippled the movement. Coincidentally, the "state of Jefferson" was one of the few places in the continental USA to be the subject of an attack during World War II, when Japanese pilot Nobuo Fujita dropped bombs on the Oregon Coast near Brookings on September 9, 1942.


That secession movement last ~10 days. I anticipate an equally long statehood for the Weldoradans.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:42 AM

8. I ended up living in two of those counties through the 70s and 80s

and very briefly in the beginning of the 90s before starting college. It is weird to think of what would have happened had this succeeded.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to davidpdx (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:06 AM

12. We were driving down to the Bay Area from Eugene/Springfield...

...over the 2012 December Holidays. We were stopped for about 2 hours because of snow conditions going over Siskiyou Pass. Finally moving, we thought we'd be able to make it to Redding about 7:00 pm where we had a motel reservation...until we hit the first Interstate exit in Yreka, where the highway patrolman waved us, and a couple hundred other cars, into town because the freeway was closed all the way to Redding.

The next morning, having spent the night in the what was probably the last dog friendly cheap motel room in Yreka we passed this (though it was waist deep in snow when we saw it):

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:56 AM

15. My mom, my brother and I got stuck in the same area about 30 years ago

Going up I-5 from California to Oregon on our way back from visiting relatives. We were driving in her crappy Dodge Aspen. I haven't been on that route in quite a long time.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:48 AM

9. I have heard the State of Jefferson mentioned before

I happened to grow up in two of the counties that would have been part of it. Oregon came very close to getting another CD this last census and I think the 2nd CD might have been divided so that Southern Oregon had its own representative (though we'll never know for sure).

As for Weld County, they aren't going anywhere.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:48 AM

10. Guns, This Is All About Guns

Fucking guns are causing a whole lot of hate and division.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:59 AM

11. Found this on Wikipedia re seccession

"...in 1869 the United States Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) that unilateral secession was not permitted saying that the union between a state (Texas in the case before the bar) "was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

So that county in Colorado can bellow and moan as much as they want, but nothing will come of it. The courts already decided it after the Civil War.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 06:59 PM

39. Also found on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weld_County,_Colorado

Demographics


U.S. Decennial Census
2012 Estimate


As of the census of 2000, there were 180,936 people, 63,247 households, and 45,221 families residing in the county. The population density was 45 people per square mile (18/km²). There were 66,194 housing units at an average density of 17 per square mile (6/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 81.71% White, 0.56% Black or African American, 0.87% Native American, 0.83% Asian, 0.08% Pacific Islander, 13.29% from other races, and 2.65% from two or more races. 27.05% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There were 63,247 households out of which 37.20% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 57.60% were married couples living together, 9.40% had a female householder with no husband present, and 28.50% were non-families. 21.00% of all households were made up of individuals and 6.90% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.78 and the average family size was 3.25.

In the county the population was spread out with 28.20% under the age of 18, 13.20% from 18 to 24, 29.70% from 25 to 44, 20.00% from 45 to 64, and 9.00% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 31 years. For every 100 females there were 100.60 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 98.00 males.

The median income for a household in the county was $42,321, and the median income for a family was $49,569. Males had a median income of $35,037 versus $25,757 for females. The per capita income for the county was $18,957. About 8.00% of families and 12.50% of the population were below the poverty line, including 14.60% of those under age 18 and 8.50% of those age 65 or over.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 02:44 AM

13. Let them secede from Colorado

Then have congress refuse to adopt them as a state.
Surround it with a 12 foot high electric fence to keep them from illegally sneaking into the US when they're starving and their bankrupt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rpannier (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:27 AM

18. Not a fence, a wall ...

... then fill it with the polluted waste water from the surrounding fracking sites ...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to rpannier (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:30 AM

25. and I can hope all the crazy teabaggers who live around me will move there..

Let's call it North Teabaggerstan and maybe they can all move there and live in a no government paradise with their master Ken Buck in charge. I'd give up a portion of my beautiful state for that idea. Also, there would be more money for our schools.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 03:40 AM

14. NRAville.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 04:47 AM

16. Here you go. They have a flag and plans and uniforms, too:


Yes, that is a fetus.

Resister in the Rockies

"We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!" ~ William Jennings Bryan, 1896



http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-51st-state-initiative-blog.html

Their viewpoint:



Another viewpoint:

Colorado Counties Want To Form 51st State To Avoid Environmental Protections

By Nicole Flatow on July 11, 2013

At least ten rural Colorado counties are taking aggressive steps to form a 51st state, saying their interests are not being met by moves to regulate the oil and gas industry, increase renewable energy, and better regulate guns. Organizers in Kansas and Nebraska are also interested in joining the state they call “North Colorado.”

Organizers met this week to draw up boundaries of the new state, as part of an ambitious schedule to draft a ballot initiative by August 1, and get a proposal before the voters in November. Congress must approve admission of a new state into the Union. But the U.S. Constitution also requires that secession of parts of any existing state be approved both by the voters and legislature of that state. This means Colorado would have to approve of the counties’ secession, as would Kansas and Nebraska if parts of those states wanted to join. One of the ten counties that initiated the movement, Weld County, is larger than Delaware and Rhode Island, according to a county commissioner.

One of the laws that movement representatives say “broke the camel’s back” requires rural energy cooperatives to get 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020. The current goal is ten percent. While Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed the bill into law, he also signed an executive order committing to make an independent assessment of whether the 20 percent requirement is feasible, and to revisit the legislation next session if need be. The organizers also cite several failed bills to regulate the oil and gas industry that would have increased fines for violations of state law, and imposed other measures to address the fast-increasing number of both wells and oil spills and contaminations in Colorado over the last several years.

Proponents of the movement say the legislature is not recognizing its “main economic drivers, agriculture and energy.” But these energy-heavy rural counties are also particularly vulnerable to environmental degradation, which is why some residents have voiced strong opposition to the movement. “I don’t want be in a 51st state,” Washington County resident Steve Frey told the local CBS affiliate. “I don’t want any part of their fracking that they’re doing in Weld County...”


More at link:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/11/2288901/colorado-counties-want-to-form-51st-state-to-avoid-environmental-protections/

I think the Koch brothers are behind this. They have been reported to have their own military forces in Colorado. Saw it on DU. Gotta go.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to freshwest (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:31 AM

28. A fetus connected to a gun. That is creepy.

These people have lost their minds.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to CrispyQ (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:16 AM

31. Might want to get your equipment checked

 

I believe your sarcasim detector is malfunctioning.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to telclaven (Reply #31)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:34 AM

34. The post is not sarcastic. why would it be?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:41 AM

21. What's really pathetic is there is no there there:

No people, no tax base...the 51st state would subsist entirely on handouts from the Federal Government.

Effin' moochers!

And yes, the thought that they deserve 2 Senators of their very own....

ETA: if they think they will derive any income from fracking they are even more delusional. Energy companies have ways to avoid royalties.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 08:54 AM

22. look at the map, what does this tiny county have built in Americas pawnee national grasslands?

hundreds of tiny structures with cross shaped roads all over the grasslands? are those wells? drilling sites?

These tiny counties don't seem to want to share equally with their entire state. Those grasslands look ruined.


here's weld county map, zoom in on those structures.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Weld+County&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c07da939b130b:0x79c8bbfa1c2ef9fa,Weld,+CO&gl=us&ei=LQgWUvXNBcHh2AXA_4CYCg&ved=0CJABELYD



here's a loc of one of the areas that looks like meteor strikes. must be fracking or oil wells? 40.728474,-103.899018

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:37 AM

26. Oh, I just had a great idea! Put them under "The Dome"

It's just a teevee show, but I'm sure the residents of Northern Colorado and their neighbors in Kansas and Nebraska believe it. Then they can frack and drill to their hearts content without polluting the rest of us.... goddam fools!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 09:49 AM

27. What if a county votes to secede from a state but Congress doesn't have

the votes to make the wayward territory a state in its own right? Will the secession be legally invalid?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:42 AM

29. Some good responses.

FritzBasset: They need to talk with Jeff. Davis and John C. Calhoun and see how well secession/nullification worked out. I guess they don't cover that in home schooling.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 10:59 AM

30. Ignorant tobacco-chewing hicks. I know. I used to live next-door in

Larimer County.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 11:29 AM

32. Okay, let them have their state...

And their two senators. And their electoral votes.

But then we get to grant statehood to DC. Any Dem that doesn't make or take that deal is crazy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LTR (Reply #32)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:35 PM

36. No way. Statehood for DC is a separate issue.

They should not be linked in any way.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:33 PM

33. If they want out, fine, but no new state. Let them be annexed by Wyoming.

Wyoming is greatly overrepresented in Congress as it is, but it's dominated by right-wingers so they'll be right at home.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:32 PM

35. Well they have a problem: Article 4, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

So they would need first the consent of the Colorado Legislature and THEN the U.S. Congress.

West Virginia was able to pull it off in 1863 because the West Virginians first got their rump legislature recognized by Lincoln as the Virginia Legislature and the newly recognized VA legislature voted to allow the formation of West Virginia, which Congress giving final consent. Neat trick but probably illegal, though Virginia was not really in a position to do anything about it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yellowcanine (Reply #35)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:12 PM

37. I have long advocated that Northern Virginia seceed from the rest of Virginia.

NoVa is liberal, populous, progressive and affluent. The rest of the state has some of the wackiest Repubs in existence, many sub-factions of which seem to hate each other. Extreme nutjobs like Ken Cucinelli get voted in, too.

Though winning Virginia as a whole in elections, as Obama has done, is a great prize, and moderate Dems can and do win statewide posts. Both senators are Democratic, the governor is Republican.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to kwassa (Reply #37)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:02 PM

40. I live in Richmond and grew up in Tidewater and I think you are right

NoVa doesn't need the rest of the state. Va would suddenly be in a Detroit-esque financial situation without NoVa.

BTW- I heard about this today and posted it in Good Reads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023528197

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to underpants (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:20 PM

41. I live in Maryland and just observe the insanity from the safety of a very blue state.

and yes, I know about slug lines, I recently read an article about an equivalent in DC during WWII.

From here we would just take the Metro.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to yellowcanine (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:46 PM

42. +

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Left Coast2020 (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:19 PM

38. Not a snowball's chance in hell of this happening...

If it by some stroke of luck does, those Democrats and Progressives in Weld County need to leave, and *all* services thay support the infrastructure need to be cut. Water, power, roads, radio etc. Everything. Needs to be cut off that day.

Fuck em if I'm going to pay for their shit. They'll figure it out.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread