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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:34 PM

Donald Trump: Sen. Ted Cruz ‘Perhaps Not’ Eligible for White House ‘If’ Born in Canada

Source: ABC News

During an interview for “This Week,” real estate mogul Donald Trump questioned whether Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would be eligible for the White House given his Canadian birth.

“If he was born in Canada, perhaps not.” Trump told ABC’s Jonathan Karl.

“I don’t know the circumstances. I heard somebody told me he was born in Canada. That’s really his thing,” he said.

Trump also defended his previous accusation that President Obama may not actually have been born in the United States — a conspiracy theory that has been proven false — when asked about the issue by Karl.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/donald-trump-sen-ted-cruz-perhaps-not-eligible-for-white-house-if-born-in-canada/



One more short paragraph, video at link. Trump's going all birther on Cruz.

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Reply Donald Trump: Sen. Ted Cruz ‘Perhaps Not’ Eligible for White House ‘If’ Born in Canada (Original post)
silvershadow Aug 2013 OP
Botany Aug 2013 #1
silvershadow Aug 2013 #3
SwankyXomb Aug 2013 #9
silvershadow Aug 2013 #16
PoliticAverse Aug 2013 #26
silvershadow Aug 2013 #28
Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #14
tomg Aug 2013 #2
leftyohiolib Aug 2013 #4
silvershadow Aug 2013 #5
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #6
RC Aug 2013 #37
JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2013 #66
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #67
olddots Aug 2013 #7
BlueManFan Aug 2013 #11
Skittles Aug 2013 #8
truebluegreen Aug 2013 #10
Turbineguy Aug 2013 #12
marble falls Aug 2013 #13
silvershadow Aug 2013 #15
another_liberal Aug 2013 #17
silvershadow Aug 2013 #18
another_liberal Aug 2013 #22
silvershadow Aug 2013 #23
another_liberal Aug 2013 #25
silvershadow Aug 2013 #29
another_liberal Aug 2013 #40
marble falls Aug 2013 #49
another_liberal Aug 2013 #53
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #33
another_liberal Aug 2013 #43
calimary Aug 2013 #35
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #39
Bette Noir Aug 2013 #44
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #48
Jim Lane Aug 2013 #56
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #63
Jim Lane Aug 2013 #65
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #60
another_liberal Aug 2013 #41
Jim Lane Aug 2013 #58
adieu Aug 2013 #19
deurbano Aug 2013 #24
calimary Aug 2013 #45
PatrynXX Aug 2013 #20
Cryptoad Aug 2013 #21
DainBramaged Aug 2013 #27
Politicalboi Aug 2013 #30
SummerSnow Aug 2013 #31
burnodo Aug 2013 #32
sakabatou Aug 2013 #34
Monk06 Aug 2013 #36
VA_Jill Aug 2013 #38
KatyMan Aug 2013 #42
calimary Aug 2013 #46
Jim Lane Aug 2013 #57
silvershadow Aug 2013 #59
Wolf Frankula Aug 2013 #47
Xolodno Aug 2013 #50
Cartoonist Aug 2013 #52
Xolodno Aug 2013 #54
Oakenshield Aug 2013 #51
ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #55
Paladin Aug 2013 #61
SoapBox Aug 2013 #62
Lugal Zaggesi Aug 2013 #64
Orsino Aug 2013 #68
wordpix Aug 2013 #69
Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #70

Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:41 PM

1. Why does anybody care what Trump has to say?

Why not aks a Kardashian or some random person in a check out line buying
groceries?

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:46 PM

3. I don't. Maybe he's trying to

look like he didn't play into the racist wing of his party?

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

9. Or he's trying to pre-emptively turn

the racist wing against Cruz.

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Response to SwankyXomb (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:40 PM

16. If that's his MO, then it won't work...it's not Canadians the racists are concerned with. nt

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

26. If you don't care what someone says a good way to show that is to not post it. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:19 PM

28. I thought what he has to say might be of interest to our group discussion. What I don't care about

is what he actually thinks.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:31 PM

14. This is one time I do. Having birthism slammed to Teabaggers is a godsend.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:42 PM

2. Trump's strategy to gain the Presidency:

He is actually the only person born in the United States.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:50 PM

4. “If he was born in Canada, perhaps not.” perhaps not?

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 02:55 PM

5. Oh, you're stuck on the "perhaps" part? That's easy...If the Republicans can get away with it, they

would run him...laws are for other people.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:00 PM

6. If the proper rituals were done

 

like building an Army barracks, or an Embassy building, then flying a USA flag and singing God Bless America -
then Canadian soil is magically transmogrified into American soil.

Like when John McCain was born in Panama.

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:19 PM

37. +10

 

But then, it doesn't matter where Republicans are born.
White, check.
Rich, check.
Speak English, Check.
Reality check, none required.


Born: December 22, 1970 (age 42), Calgary, Canada
Nationality: American
Office: Senator (R-TX) since 2013
Spouse: Heidi Nelson Cruz
Parents: Rafael Cruz, Eleanor Darragh
Education: Harvard University, Princeton University, Harvard Law School
https://www.google.com/#bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=35ea9c4afe593491&q=Ted+Cruz

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 05:58 AM

66. If your kid is born in a foreign country ...

... while you're stationed there in the U.S. military, the kid is a U.S. citizen.

McCain, like Obama, is a U.S. citizen. No magic.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:49 AM

67. The US Constitution requires a President to be

 

a "natural born Citizen" (Article 2, Section 1). Not a "U.S. citizen".

Some were arguing McCain was born on "U.S. soil" because the US military base in Panama turned that soil into "U.S. soil". Would a Panamanian woman giving birth in that same hospital, with a Panamanian father, have a "U.S. citizen" baby because it was born on US soil ?

"Bruce Lee was born in Chinatown, San Francisco on 27 November 1940 to parents from Hong Kong and was raised in Kowloon with his family until his late teens."

Being born on US soil made Bruce Lee a "U.S. citizen" - no magic there.
His father was a Hong Kong opera singer, in the US for a couple years with his family before moving back to Hong Kong in the early 1940's. Never a U.S. citizen. Nor was his wife or his other three children.
But was Bruce Lee a "natural born Citizen", eligible to run for President of the United States ?

The Constitutional phrase has never been defined.

What if Bruce Lee had married an Italian woman who had been born in the US when her father was a graduate student there in 1949 - thus was a US citizen because she was born on US soil. What if they had a child in Hong Kong in 1973 - would that child be a "natural born Citizen" ?

Look at George Romney's "citizenship" closely - his parents were US citizens at one time, born in the Territory of Utah (didn't become a State till 1896) to American parents, fled to Mexico because they were polygamists (does that imply giving up Citizenship? there was no formal process to do so) - in 1885, at age 13 (his father), with his family. His mother, Anna Pratt, was only 9 in 1885 - born in a "Territory" to Americans, grew up in Mexico. His parents got married in Mexico in 1895, and had George in 1907 in Chihuahua, Mexico. The Romney's fled their new country (Mexico) in 1912 because of War, and snuck back into the country their parents had fled from (sounds like very porous borders back then). Was George Romney a "natural born Citizen" ? Because he ran for President in 1968.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:02 PM

7. I want the Donald to run for president

Trump is jealous when somebody is a bigger turd maggot than he is .

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Response to olddots (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:15 PM

11. And there it is Again.....Turd Maggot. I Have a Wonderful Mental Picture of Trump Covered in shit

and maggots eating his *ucked up hair.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

8. being born in Canada is Ted Cruz's thing?

naw, his thing is being a teabagging asshole

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:10 PM

10. As I understand it, he may be right (stopped clock time)

Since Cruz was born in a foreign country, he probably would have had dual citizenship, at least until reaching 18? when he would have to declare for one country or the other. And that may slip between the gaps of natural-born citizen and naturalized citizen. The former is eligible, the latter is not.

It would be funny as hell if the baggers' dream candidate turned out to be ineligible...of course, they would probably claim the rules don't apply, or at least that it would be Totally Unfair for us to have a foreign-born President but not them.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:15 PM

12. Make sense given

that Obama was born in the US and isn't qualified according to the Donald.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:29 PM

13. Ted Cruz: where's your birth certificate?

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Response to marble falls (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:39 PM

15. Hint: It hasn't come back from the printers yet. nt

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:44 PM

17. I can see the protest signs now . . .

"Frostbacks need not apply!"

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:46 PM

18. Oh my! You are a moran! lol

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:52 PM

22. Screw you too, pal.

At least I'm not enough of a "moran" to call myself something like "silvershadow."

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:55 PM

23. Hey, it was a joke! Sensitive much?

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:09 PM

25. A little.

"Why are you so curious, Two Dogs Fucking?"

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:21 PM

29. I note that you joined 8 months ago and already have nearly as many posts as do I, a member since

the beginning. I'm off to read the substance of your posts now to get a better handle on who you are. Welcome to DU! on edit: Ok, I'm back. I see you are almost exclusively an Al Jazeera aficionado (nothing wrong with that), and almost exclusively focused on the Middle East. I will continue to watch, having noted your screen name, to see if you have any words of wisdom for the rest of us ongoing. Personally, I'm more concerned with US politics and, to the extent it intersects foreign policy, events around the world. I haven't dug deep enough to see if you've mentioned Benghazi yet. Meantime, about your "Frostback" comment, while I didn't happen to take offense, someone here might...just so's you know.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 07:36 PM

40. Is that right?

I guess someone else is kind of "sensitive."

Enjoy your reading.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 09:55 PM

49. He only did what we all do here and made a funny joke. Peace, brother, welcome.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:52 PM

53. No hard feelings.

Tit-for-tat is always fair play.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:44 PM

33. That's a good Native American joke :-) n/t

 

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 07:51 PM

43. I think it's an unforgettable scene.

Of course Silkwood is excellent as a whole.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:05 PM

35. OMG!!! I LOVED that joke!

This old dude in one of the newsrooms where I worked - told me that one morning at the crack of dawn when he was going off duty and I was coming on duty and we always had some chit-chat time together. I had to stifle laughter for the whole damn day!!!!



And on the other subject - YES!!! I'm glad somebody's bringing this up. Hey birthers - chew and gnash your teeth on THIS one, then! Your precious darling ted cruz can't run for president!!!! He's ineligible! By YOUR own standards of not being born in this country. Because if you buy ted cruz's assertion that it doesn't count because, if your mother is an American citizen, you could be born anywhere in the world and that citizenship somehow magically still transfers. Because by THAT very same assertion, you birthers HAVE TO S.T.F.U. about Obama!!!!




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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:56 PM

39. Of course, if we conquer Canada

 

like we did Hawaii,
then Canada will be American soil, so Cruz might be eligible in the future.
Don't tell the Cons - they might cook up a War with Canada... ("we have secret Intelligence that Canada is working on an H-bomb, and has links to al-Qaeda !")

I think the same issue came up for Senators born in Alaska before Alaska was a state (Jan 3, 1959) - were they "natural born"? Could they run for President?

This issue has never been decided by the Supreme Court - what "natural born" really means.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/21/birther-hypocrisy-right-wing-has-no-problem-with-canadian-born-senator-ted-cruz-running-for-president/

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 08:21 PM

44. I don't follow your logic.

Hawaii had been a state in the US for years before Obama was born.

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Response to Bette Noir (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 09:16 PM

48. I meant someone like Senator Ted Stevens from Alaska

 

who was born in 1923. If he had been born in Alaska, way before it was a State,
would he have been a "natural born" citizen, eligible to run for President ?

Actually, Hawaii had only been a State since June 27, 1959. Barack was born August 4, 1961 - about two years.

What if Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska runs for President one day ?
She was born May 22, 1957 - Alaska became a State January 3, 1959.
She was born in a "territory" - is that "natural born" ? I guess it's no different than George Romney being born in Mexico to two American parents...

But if Ted Stevens had been born in Alaska, to an American family that moved there after purchase from Russia in 1867 (say, 1880) - would he have been considered a "natural born" American ? It's never been defined.

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:41 AM

56. Your question arose in 1964 because Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before statehood.

Melvin Belli, a flamboyant attorney of that time who had every bit as much of a mania for publicity as The Donald does today, brought a lawsuit trying to get Goldwater declared ineligible. The case was thrown out of court.

To my mind, the key question is the citizenship law at the time of the person's birth. If, at the moment of birth, the newborn is entitled to U.S. citizenship (as children born in Arizona Territory were), then he or she is a natural born citizen.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #56)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:36 PM

63. According to your reasoning,

 

a four year old Mexican kid found roaming the streets of Los Angeles is eligible to be President of the United States. Correct?

As of 2011, United States Federal law (8 U.S.C. § 1401) defines who is a United States citizen from birth. The following are among those listed there as persons who shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

If they never find out he was born in some foreign place - like Chihuahua, Mexico (George Romney's birthplace) - then dumped in LA to be found by police, he is a "natural born citizen".

If a kid like that can grow up to run for President, more power to him.

Of course, Federal law that applies at a person's birth changes over time... so, some people might be added before they run for President, some people might be dropped.

The Barry Goldwater case is interesting, thanks for pointing it out. I didn't realize Arizona just became a state in 1912, and Goldwater was born in 1909. If Goldwater had been a Native American born on a reservation in 1909, he would NOT have been a US citizen - until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 - then he would have been a "natural born citizen" in 1964.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act_of_1924

But he would never have gotten supporters in 1964 if he was a Native American, so it's a moot point.

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #63)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 01:44 AM

65. Yes, that kid is clearly a citizen, and I'd say he's eligible.

Caveat: Neither the Wikipedia article nor the linked Cornell website states when that statute was adopted. If any four-year-old Mexicans want to hire me, I'll go the library to look at the annotated statutes. I think the determining factor is the law at the time of the person's birth, so if the kid appears to be old enough that his birth predated that statute, then it wouldn't apply.

You write, "Of course, Federal law that applies at a person's birth changes over time... so, some people might be added before they run for President, some people might be dropped." No, what I meant was that eligibility is determined as of the time of birth. A subsequent action -- be it the individual's naturalization or the parents' naturalization or a change in the law -- might mean that the individual has become a citizen, but he or she wouldn't be a natural-born citizen. (There was some question about this vis-a-vis McCain. I think he was born long enough ago that the statute at that time wasn't entirely clear. A subsequent clarifying amendment was made retroactive. There might be some non-lunatic argument that McCain wasn't eligible, but I haven't looked into it in detail.)

I agree with your points about Goldwater. If the Republicans had run a Native American who had voted against the Civil Rights Act, the racists would have been in a real pickle. Quite a few of them would probably have voted third party.

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Response to Lugal Zaggesi (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:15 PM

60. Cruz can be prez of the Jesusland Confederacy. He was born there:


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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 07:40 PM

41. It's a great movie too.

Silkwood, I mean.

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Response to calimary (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:07 AM

58. Cruz's case is different (and not just because of his melanin deficiency).

See #57 downthread. There's a reason based on the law in effect at the time why Cruz was a citizen based on his mother's citizenship but Obama, if he had been born abroad, would not have had the same status.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:49 PM

19. When the Gropenator

was at his ascendancy just after being elected Governor of California, the GOP was considering amending the constitution to allow foreign born naturalized citizens to be president.

Goes to show you how flexible they are when it suits them and how inflexible they could be when it doesn't.

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Response to adieu (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:03 PM

24. Yeah, those halcyon days of yesteryear... I think Orrin Hatch was one such proponent.

All the crap about Obama taking after the (anti-colonialist) father he never knew... while Schwarzenegger's father had been an actual Nazi.

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Response to deurbano (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 08:45 PM

45. Yeah, I love those labels. "Anti-colonialist."

"Traditionalist." "Originalist." They're usually espoused by people who must be able to offer self-classification regarding the way they read (or in this case mis-read) the Constitution. It allows them to avoid having to say what their true feelings usually are, ie: racist. Or sexist. Or misogynist. Or anti-Semitic. Or homophobic. Anything that isn't Anglo ruling class.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:49 PM

20. actually learned something from the trump

do'h I hate that

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 03:49 PM

21. Seems that Trump

Seems that Trump is an expert on this matter....... Please go away DT!

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:12 PM

27. I would rather watch steel wool rust than watch this asshole on the TeeVee

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:26 PM

30. You can, it's on The Donald's head

Killing two birds with one stone.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:09 PM

31. I rather watch a puddle dry up.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:19 PM

32. Why is this numbnut being interviewed?

 

He's a totally irrelevant figure. This just shows how terrible the media establishment really is.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:57 PM

34. Why is this idiot still out there in the media?

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:10 PM

36. I'm glad Cruz left Canada otherwise he'd be in Harper's cabiniet by now. So great for us.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:29 PM

38. I guess that makes him

.....an equal opportunity birther. Not that I give a whoop in hell what he says.....I almost typed "what he thinks" but then I realize he doesn't think, he just reacts.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 07:46 PM

42. "I heard somebody told me he was born in Canada"

so was he not in his own head or something when he was told Cruz was born in Canada? What a weird phrase...like saying I heard I was reading DU today...

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 08:55 PM

46. Ironic, isn't it? I keep waiting for SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, to bring it up.

The fact that ted cruz is INELIGIBLE to run for President, because he truly and legitimately is foreign-born. Canada isn't the U.S. Whether or not some people think "American exceptionalism" means we can just have it our way, up to and including owning anything or anybody we want, with no comment or question. They can't have it both ways. ted cruz simply isn't eligible. Barack Obama was and is.

I've been waiting for SOME pundit somewhere to start questioning - "um... why is this guy posturing like he's presidential-candidate material? Why is he schmoozing up Iowa and acting coy when the question comes up - when the question shouldn't even come up in his case? He's simply not eligible to run. He wasn't born here." I've been waiting for somebody high-profile in the media - some journalist, pundit, interviewer, host, reporter, anchor, columnist - to bring it up and finally start making an issue of it. And - of all people - who actually finally does so but Donald Trump?!??

Unbelievable.

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Response to calimary (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:59 AM

57. Some birthers have brought it up -- but they're wrong. Cruz is eligible.

Cruz is not in the same situation Obama would have been in if it were true that he was born in Kenya. At the time these two men were born, the law applicable to the Cruz case and to the hypothetical Obama-born-in-Kenya case (birth abroad, one citizen parent, one noncitizen parent) was that the child was a citizen provided that the citizen parent met certain conditions. One of those conditions (residence in the United States for at least five years after turning 14) was NOT met by Obama's mother, because she was only 18 at the time. Cruz's mother, however, was older and had met the residency requirement.

I believe that Cruz is a natural-born citizen based on the law at the time of his birth. If a child had been born in Kenya in August, 1961 to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, however, that child would not have been a citizen.

Over at Free Republic, they love Cruz, but some of the extreme birthers do argue that he's ineligible to be President. Their view, which is pretty much pulled out of thin air rather than the Constitution, is that to be eligible you must have been born in the United States AND both your parents must have been U.S. citizens at the time of your birth.

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Response to calimary (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:11 AM

59. Well, at least someone broke it open. Now it's in the public sphere, for 15 minutes anyway. May as

well make sure it gets properly addressed, lest "they" trample on yet another issue to get their way. That would be my take on it. ?? Not sure they will, but maybe Chris Matthews will take it up. I know how a lot of people, myself included, sometimes feel about him, but I still watch him, and he's often confronted the birther issue.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 09:05 PM

47. Do the Laws or Constitution of the United States Bar the Children of Orangutans?

Trump T. Trump's father Fred was an Orangutan. Trump never disproved that.

Wolf

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:12 PM

50. There are times...

...times, due to the fact that Trump has been successful which makes me think he isn't a complete idiot...and that he's actually trying to sabotage the looney right wing of the Republican Party...just to get it back on the right path. Trump isn't going to run for office, ever. Not enough money in it for him. But may be doing "in order to save my country (in this case, political party), I must betray it".

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #50)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:50 PM

52. Yahoo comments

There's a meme being put forward by the right that the liberal media keeps giving Trump airtime in order to make them look bad.
All they have to do is to denounce him, but they won't.

I can't think of any republican that could make their party look good.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #52)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:11 AM

54. A republican that makes them look good....???

...heh...not since Nixon.

The "southern state strategy" was always supposed to be a temporary solution. Temporary time has run out. Republicans have to move to the center...if they like it or not. If not, they can define themselves as an exclusive regional party. Even if they accept Libertarians, they still won't be able to muster significant influence.

If they go back to their mantra of limited government, State's rights, fiscal accountability, less foreign intervention.....AND IGNORE RELIGIOUS MANDATED MORALITY....they will regain the trust of the populace. But right now...they are on a highway to Hell courting religion (how ironic is that). Currently, too many of their leaders are concerned about getting re-elected rather than having the balls to say, morality belongs to churches, and only they...and not the government can promote it.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:40 PM

51. Well Donald...

I don't think Orangutan's are eligible for President either.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:29 AM

55. Maybe, just maybe . .

 

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The USA might be a friendlier nation to the World with a President born and raised in Canada.

Not our HarperSlut though - we got's us our own Idiot-Son - only much more clever,

and therefore more dangerous.

CC

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:30 PM

61. Payback time, Birthers. (nt)

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:40 PM

62. Whatttt? Canadian born??????

WTF?

I never knew but I do now...and am happy to tell EVERY single person I know.

Amazing.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #62)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 09:44 PM

64. And his Cuban father fought FOR Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution,

 

eh ?

That's gotta be inconvenient for the Tea Bagger crowd - assuming they ever find out.

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:58 AM

68. They caught Trump unprepared, and he waffled. n/t

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:13 PM

69. "perhaps" not? No, the Constitution says he is NOT eligible

Good try, repugliCons

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Response to silvershadow (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2013, 02:26 PM

70. I bet Trump is a veteran---not.

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