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Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:27 PM

George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding for Truck Crash Rescue

Source: ABC News

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue someone who was trapped in an overturned truck, police said today.

Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told ABC News that Zimmerman "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" at the intersection of a Florida highway last week.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route 417, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where he shot Martin.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:28 PM

1. BS PR move!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:08 PM

21. Oddly, that's exactly what I thought.

Someone's trying to prop him up.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:36 PM

29. Yup, pictures/video or it didn't happen.

n/t

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Response to Myrina (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:46 PM

56. Even if they did come up with photos, I wouldn't believe it wasn't staged.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:58 PM

80. Interesting standard you fabricated. Please post the pictures/video of Zimmerman shooting anyone or

explain your theory that something not filmed did not occur.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:45 PM

96. we don't need no damn pictures of him shooting trayvon

he said he did it. sheesh. think before you post!

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #96)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:24 PM

106. Not my standard of proof. Back up the thread and find the originator.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:38 PM

50. prejudice exists

You have a right to your opinion and many call opinions prejudices when they are not supported by facts. Do you have any facts to support your belief in this matter or is this just prejudice?

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Response to daybranch (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:39 PM

51. No! I don't believe it. I admit i may be wrong but I just question the whole thing.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

85. I question it too Plus it happened last week

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Response to daybranch (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:48 PM

58. No, this is called skepticism. Z killing an unarmed 17 year old was prejudice.

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Response to daybranch (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:12 PM

92. Skepticism...not prejudice. n/t

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Response to daybranch (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:37 PM

94. Pure prejudice...I won't attempt to explain, I believe you to be prejudiced...see how that woiks?

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Response to daybranch (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:17 PM

169. yes there is proof

What did occur was that an accident occurred where a car slid on it’s side into a median. People at the scene called 911, which went to the Sanford office of the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office. BEFORE responding to the 911 call, News Ball.com reports that Seminole Sheriff’s Dept. Officer Patrick Rehder, a self-styled friend and supporter of Zimmerman, contacted Zimmerman by cell phone directing him to go to the accident so as to appear to be a hero. News Ball.com also provides a social media screen capture of a curious statement about Rehder taking pleasure when someone gets credit for something they did not do.

Rehder’s name appears on the accident report as the responding officer; social media shows his connection to Zimmerman.

There were plenty of people driving by who witnessed the accident, and stopped to help the family out of the vehicle, BEFORE Zimmerman showed up, according to the 911 calls, but no ‘thank you’ press conference mentioning anyone else by name specifically was scheduled by the family, and no mention of anyone other than Zimmerman was made by the sheriff.

Zimmerman showed up AFTER he was called by a SCSO member according to a report at News Ball.com, Zimmerman then got out of his car with a fire extinguisher, and apparently left without doing anything especially heroic. You can hear the course of events here in the 911 calls; many people who were there as the accident happened stopped to get people out, and the fire and smoke problem from the calls, appeared some time after they were out of the car. As you can hear from the calls, people were out before there was a smoke or fire problem; Zimmerman did not appear to risk his life to pull anyone out of a burning car, as was claimed. :





http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #169)

Sat Jul 27, 2013, 07:27 PM

170. Looks like someone has some explaining to do.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:32 PM

88. Happened with Tonya Harding, too

 

when she performed CPR on an elderly woman. Or maybe it was the Heinlich maneuver?

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Response to gleannfia (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:39 PM

89. i did not know that.

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Response to gleannfia (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

111. That was a couple years after she was tried in court

and sentenced, though.

The timing of this 'rescue' by George Zimmerman is just too coincidental: right when additional criminal charges against him are being looked at.

George Zimmerman has already proven that he is willing to manipulate situations and people to his advantage (stuffing movie lines in Trayvon's mouth as the kid is dying, deliberately putting on over 100 lbs of weight to create a non-menacing, tub-o-lard look for the female jurors and getting his wife to lie in court about their finances and hide his second passport), so I have every reason to doubt that this whole 'hero' incident is not as it appears and was in someway engineered by George Zimmerman (perhaps he was listening to a police scanner, for instance, waiting for a car accident, house fire...anything....to happen close enough that he could get to it quickly and perform what appears to be a fortuitous 'rescue'.

Call me cynical, but this is just too unbelievable to not be a PR performance.

ETA: George Zimmerman is someone who called 911 frequently in the past, so one would expect there to be a call from him to 911, to report the accident. Has anyone checked the 911 logs for such a call?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:00 AM

164. This thread makes me sad.

Is it really so hard to believe that someone who is so willing to act that they end up in the TM situation that should have been easily avoided will also be EXACTLY the kind of guy who jumps into action when he sees a car crash? It is certainly unlikely that an accident should happen right in that area, but given that it did...

Further, to those who find it unreasonable that he could pull someone out of a car when he couldn't defend himself against a 6' 160 pound guy. Are you for real? That description would closely match Sugar Ray Robinson. I'm not saying that TM was that fit or good a fighter, I'm simply saying that those measurements are hardly indicating that GZ should have been able to handle him just because he is able to pull someone out of a car. That particular part is perfectly consistent.

In any event...So he did a minor good deed. Big whoop. It isn't like it really changes anything. But the jumping to conspiracy theory is just....sad.

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Response to Convinceable (Reply #164)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:24 AM

165. What makes me sad is Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman got away with it.

And that people would believe this PR stunt.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:29 PM

2. That's nice.

He's still a murderer.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:31 PM

3. I thought he lacked the physical strength.

Imagine that. He lied.
Beware people this man is not a cop. He's armed and dangerous at all times. Never forget that.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

69. No, no... that was sooo last year, when he was

196 pounds and training at a gym in MMA.

But now... at about 320 pounds and no gym training at all since he murdered Trayvon, well, George Zimmerman has miraculously become physically fit. Adam Pollack, the owner of Kokopelli's Gym will swear to it!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:31 PM

4. 300lb self-declared panzy snaps into action

 

Too bad he didn't use that super human power to escape the clutches of 160lb child

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:33 PM

5. Setup. The NRA needs to clean him up a bit before he becomes their spokesperson. nt

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:35 PM

6. What, there were no burning buildings that he could

rescue puppies from?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:35 PM

7. Holy hiding out batman

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:36 PM

8. I bet the car crash victim didn't want to be rescued by a murderer.

 

Asshole. Man should be sitting in a cell, rotting.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:40 PM

9. Raise your hand if you believe

That Zimmerman is in Sanford, Florida.

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:38 PM

77. Not just IN Sanford, but less than 1 mile from where he

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killed Trayvon Martin! Georgie was just on a 7-11 run, don't cha know.

George Zimmerman is a fraud and BSer all the way. He was probably advised by his attorneys, or his brother, Robert Zimmerman, to sit by his police scanner and get over to the scene of an accident at the first chance he could and play a wannabe rescuer. They are desperately trying to rehab his image, while more criminal charges against him are pending.

I don't believe there is anything George Zimmerman wouldn't lower himself to do, after getting away with murder.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:59 PM

98. I think that it is George's idea to hang out by the scanner and seek opportunities to be a hero.

It's what he was doing when he killed Travyon Martin. No reason to think that he would change. Now more than ever Georgie has to prove his worth to the world. I expect that he sits by his scanner all day long listening for opportunities to "help." He probably is still calling 911 all the time, too.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #98)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:22 PM

105. You might be right about the scanner,

but I can't see him still calling 911 anymore, (at least not in Sanford) unless he's calling for personal reasons.

Wait, now that you say that, someone should check the 911 logs to see whether ole Georgie, being the 911 caller that he was, called in the accident he supposedly was at. And if not, that would be more reason to doubt this whole report of 'coming across an accident unexpectedly'.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #105)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:25 PM

107. I read that Zimmerman did call in the accident, but I may have been mistaken.

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The article says that Zimmerman spoke with deputies after helping the family get out of the car. The police reported that there were no injuries, so I don't know what kind of "help" was required.

Why the police felt obligated to announce this, four days after it happened, might bear some looking into.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #107)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:18 PM

114. Do you have a link for that?

I've read the reports from USA Today, ABC news and Fox news, but didn't see that info in any of them.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #114)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:25 PM

115. I reread some articles and they don't say he called it in, so maybe I was mistaken.

I might have misread. I thought I'd seen that he called it in, but now I'm reading that he simply spoke with the deputies on the scene and didn't witness the accident.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #115)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:55 PM

120. Thanks for rechecking!

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #120)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:00 PM

121. No problem. I edited my post up above.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #107)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:02 AM

147. George Zimmerman did not call 911

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in regards to this accident, but there WERE several 911 calls made by others...that's probably what you remember seeing. Here's some info excerpted from the Orlando Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-truck-rescue-20130722,0,6349930.story

"Authorities also released several 911 calls reporting the crash. Callers described the vehicle on its side and bystanders helping. None mentioned Zimmerman specifically in the audio, though parts of the calls were apparently redacted."

and some more interesting info:

"The Sheriff's Office later released a traffic accident report. Zimmerman and the other man are not mentioned in the report."

“Zimmerman remains in hiding, as he had been while awaiting trial.”


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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:40 PM

10. He'd better get busy.

He's got a whole lotta karma to repair.

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Response to Ednahilda (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:51 PM

13. Welcome to DU, Ednahilda! An understatement if ever there was one.

Glad you're here! My first thought was - AHA! Now we know where he is. But he's undoubtedly moving around, somewhere in hiding. In the outer darkness. Where he belongs.

And yeah. Doesn't change anything or soften this heart of mine toward him. He's still a MURDERER. An unrepentent MURDERER. Who got away with it. And that will follow him to the end of his days.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:43 PM

11. Now, what was it about cars being remote-controlled by hacking?

'Now, George. Go to this intersection and wait. And be ready to pull some schmuck from an overturned car or truck! Got it?"

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:45 PM

12. So where and how is the victim?

Did this "rescue" cause further injury?

Pretty crappy reporting, ABC "News". This looks like a PR stunt, and you fools are falling for it - hook, line and sinker.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:58 PM

14. SURE HE DID. And i'm Jacqueline Kennedy. n/t

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:59 PM

15. Good thing he didn't have a gun . . .

he might have shot the person like they do injured horses!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:59 PM

16. Oh come on you guys, people in this thread can't seriously be implying this was a conspriacy.

I swear sometimes we're no better than infowars on this kind of stuff.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

22. It is so obviously a PR stunt that even a child couldn't fall for it.

If he is in hiding, how come he just happened to be at the crash site?

I think the Sanford police department is complicit in this as well because they did everything possible to get him acquitted after even refusing to charge him.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:16 PM

23. +1

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:16 PM

24. Why? Because you don't like the idea of it happening?

Do you have a single iota of evidence for your conspiracy theory, one single solitary piece of evidence for it or do you just "know" it has to be that way?

Bad people do good things, to think that any good thing a bad person does has to be an elaborate conspriacy is the childish worldview, not accepting the strange nuisances of our existence.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:50 PM

34. Oh brother

Some things are prima facie untrue and don't need proof. If you read that Zimmy flew across the Atlantic simply by flapping his arms in the air, it has to be untrue with no evidence required.

This is based upon probabilistic constructs and use of "statistical power" -- which is technically 1-β

When you consider the odds of a) an injury accident occurring at a given intersection, compounding those with b) the odds of having a live victim needing a rescue and further compounding those with c) the odds of a person who is hiding just happening to be there and rescuing this victim before police arrived you have an extremely unlikely event to have occurred by chance alone.

Let's say there is one accident at that intersection every month and 1% of those accidents have someone injured needing a rescue. Further consider that there are some 5,000 people who live in the surrounding area. The odds of one of those people being at the scene are 1/5000*1/12*1/100 = 1.66E-7 (or 0.0000000166.) The odds of being struck by a meteor are actually higher!

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:56 PM

36. well, its being reported that way everywhere now

You can cite statistics all you want, but accidents do happen, and rescues do occur.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:59 PM

37. It is because the media have been dumbed down.

We live in an era of "Captain Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, Ho Lee Fuk, Bang Ding Ow" reporting without thinking.

Gone are the days of Dan Rather and Mike Wallace who would have asked the hard questions before rushing to get the story out.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

41. ok, sure I'd love to hear more details on this story

I'm sure details will emerge or information will come out that this is a hoax.

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Response to Bacchus4.0 (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:46 PM

78. You can bet you bottom dollar that it wasn't an African American

he pulled from an accident- if it is even true.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:03 PM

38. Well, I'm sorry about your fundmental misunderstanding of statistics.

Statically unprobable doesn't mean it didn't happen, in fact given the sheer number of human beings to pick from, places it could happen and events that could happen the vast majority of all human interactions are statically unprobable.

Did I ever tell you about the time this specific person, at this specific intersection happened to help at this specific time. Whoa how crazy is that! Actually not crazy at all.

The key problem is you're treating all those events as mutually exclusive. In fact the probability that Zimmerman would be the one to respond to an accident is the exact same as pretty much any other person in central Florida (obviously variable based on how often one spends driving), the difference being that Zimmerman was the one who did so it made the news. When you factor in this accident was in his local community, so maybe there were about a couple thousand other people who could have responded, you realize this event wasn't actually that unlikely at all. There was an accident (happens all the time), someone responded (happens all the time), of a community of thousands it happened to be Zimmerman (the fact that our planet is inhabitable zone of orbit is lower than this one).

Just because you throw out a scientific sounding term like prima facie, doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:07 PM

43. Ok, but I can spell statistics and statistically.

I also know that the antonym of probable is not unprobable but improbable.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:09 PM

44. Oh boy a single typo, that sure invalidates all the scientific principles I communicated in my post.



Eagerly awaiting your rebuttal, given you are dead wrong in your conclusions I doubt one is coming.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:13 PM

45. You didn't communicate anything scientific.

I never stated that the probability is ZERO ... implicit in that is that "it could have really happened" but the odds of it being a PR stunt versus "it could have really happened" are 16,6700,000 to 1. If you are in Vegas and betting your paycheck, where would you place the bet?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:25 PM

48. Did you actually read my post? Because you clearly didn't if you think it is that high.

You're committing a basic error by treating those events as mutually exclusive.

There are only 50,000 people in Sanford, one of them is going to stop to help a rollovered truck, one of them is Zimmerman. The probability that Zimmerman stops to help a car that rolled over in Sanford is greater than 1 in 50,000 (not everyone in Sanford drives, not everyone would stop to help someone in a rolled over car etc....).

I don't know how many roll overs there are in Sanford a day/week or how many times a civilian generally helps before the police get there, but every single one is a chance that Zimmerman would be the one to help (And you only need one successful trial, you can have as many not Zimmermans as you want). If you look at it in totality, is it unlikely? Yes, but not so unlikely that it should cause you question the existence of it without any other evidence for it not happening.


The very fact that you as you are now, exist in this place at this time is a supremely less likely event than Zimmerman stopping to help a person whose car rolled over. That is why we don't disregard improbable trials just because they are improbable. Clearly improbable things happen, if you factor in every variable nearly every human action is improbable.

If you want to be woefully ignorant of basic statistical concepts, go right on, but please don't butch a field I use everyday in my work to prove some kind of "point".

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Response to Kurska (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:45 PM

54. Probabilities are compounded.

Seeing a limping man with three dogs wearing a red shirt carrying a green grocery bag has a probability of

0.5 (a man and not a woman)* 0.001 (limping)* 0.0001 (with three dogs)*0.7 (red shirt)* 0.33 (Carrying a grocery bag)*0.7(green grocery bag) = 0.000000008085

There is no other way to calculate multiple attributes probabilistically occurring together!

If you are really into statistics for a living, I am speechless.

May innocent little Zimmerman save the world !

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #54)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:54 PM

60. Only if you want to needlessly complicate a probability.

Oh wait was Zimmerman wearing a green shirt? What is the probability of him wearing a green shirt that has to make it less likely right? Was he wearing shoes? What about the probability he could have done it without shoes.

Clearly this makes the event impossible!

The only probability that actually matters is the 1 in 50,000 (which is for as I said individual trials, there have probably been tons), because all the events you are talking about aren't dependent. The probability of Zimmerman helping someone in a car accident one day is completely independent of him being at the center of a national sensation of a murder trial.

I'm speechless that you don't understand this basic concept after having it communicated to you multiple times. I'm done trying to communicate this, you clearly just don't want to be wrong even if this is something you could learn in the most basic statistics course

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Response to Kurska (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:12 PM

67. YOU are the one who needs a basic statistics course

YOU are the one who needs a basic statistics course if you believe that 1 in 50,000 is the only relevant statistic in the probability of this incident.

I wonder what your position was before/during the trial? Hmmmm

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Response to U4ikLefty (Reply #67)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

83. I already said the 1 in 50,000 is a simplification

"(not everyone in Sanford drives, not everyone would stop to help someone in a rolled over car etc....)", clearly that is not the only variable, but it is a decent rough estimate. If you knew how to perfectly calculate the probability of an event like that by taking into account all RELEVANT variables you'd be a very rich person.

The point I've repeatedly been trying to stress is that Zimmerman being involved in a murder trial very evidently does not greatly effect his probability of passing by an accident on his way to wherever he was going. Independent vs. dependent events are not an incredibly complex concept, but it is amazing what people will willfully misunderstand. Lets say I stop to help someone on the side of the road. You can calculate the probability of me wearing green socks and stopping to help a person on the side of the road, but you can't combine the probability of the two and make it seem less likely I will because I WOULD HAVE STOPPED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I WAS WEARING GREEN SOCKS OR RED.

There are only 50,000 people in Sanford and Zimmerman is in Sanford. You can make a very rough estimate (not accounting for car ownership/age etc...) that there is about an equal probability that any of those 50,000 people could of passed by that accident and decided to help, it just happened to be Zimmerman.

The person I was replying to implied that because it just so happened to be Zimmerman that is proof of a conspiracy. They also came up with some amazingly fanciful many digit number of a probability out of thin air, which is just odd.

My position on the trial was that it was a great tragedy and that of the only two people who actually know what exactly happened that night one is dead and the other has no reason to tell the truth if he is lying. I hope I meet your purity standard.


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Response to cosmicone (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:07 PM

64. If I were Georgie

I would play Lotto ASAP..........

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:47 PM

97. and if he wins the powerball ...

we'd know it is rigged hahahahaha.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #97)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:21 AM

155. how on earth could it be rigged

since the money goes to education and our schools are number one in the world

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Response to Kurska (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:21 PM

46. Conflating a conspiracy theory and a PR stunt (two wholly separate concepts)

Conflating a conspiracy theory and a PR stunt (two wholly separate concepts, see dictionary if necc. ) seems to be where you are misinterpreting the premise of others.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:28 PM

49. Actually people are implicating the police department of Sanford in this.

Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:12 PM

102. The police are implicated in that they announced that George Zimmerman rescued somebody.

It appears that George Zimmerman was listening to the police scanner and heard that there was a traffic accident near him. He leaped into action (new gun in holster, I imagine) and seized this opportunity to prove that he is a really good guy and a hero. None of that involves conspiracy - it's just George Zimmerman being George Zimmerman, wannabe cop and hero, which is what he was doing the night he shot a kid.

The part that starts to look a little fishy is that the Sanford police department made an official announcement that George Zimmerman helped somebody after a traffic accident. How often does that happen? I mean, people help out with non-fatal, non-injurious traffic accidents all the time but the police rarely release the names of the good Samaritans. What prompted the Sanford police to report this a week after it happened? That's the part that is a public relations ploy. Obvious one.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #102)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:31 PM

117. "George Zimmerman was listening to the police scanner" you have zero evidence of this n/t

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Response to Kurska (Reply #117)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:52 PM

119. LOL! That is the kindest interpretation. What else do you suppose happened?

Do you really think that George Zimmerman just happened to be passing by an accident a few days after he was acquitted, when his family and attorneys claim that he has been unable to leave his home due to threats on his life?

I'm giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt by assuming that (a) this was a legitimate accident that he (b) legitimately heard about in a random fashion because he was listening to scanner.

Another interpretation is that the entire thing was staged. I doubt that.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:11 PM

123. "Do you really think that George Zimmerman just happened to be passing by an accident"

Um, yes actually Sanford is a small town and it was barely a mile away from where he lives. Why is it unbelievable that he happened to be passing by an accident?

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Response to Kurska (Reply #123)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:25 PM

134. Population of Sanford, FL in 2011: 53,926

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Response to yardwork (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:20 PM

133. I actually tend to believe that the whole thing was staged. n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #133)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:26 PM

135. It's entirely possible. The family lies all the time, we know that.

They formulated an elaborate self-defense story that was nothing but one big lie, so they are fully capable of staging the entire "accident."

We might learn more. I will be curious if this family that George supposedly helped identifies themselves.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:46 PM

55. You are correct, however ...

to pull off such a PR stunt requires a conspiracy.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:34 PM

27. He probably has a scanner and heard the call.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:37 PM

32. Excellent point n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:37 PM

31. +100

What a crock of shit...

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:58 PM

112. i agree, Sanford Police Dept has no credibility with me

and add to all the conflicting reports about whether it was on fire ...

and just how he just happened to come out of hiding and everything else.

i would need some proof because i don't believe what they say.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:25 PM

47. Sound almost as make-believe as attempting to transfer money over the phone from jail...

Sound almost as make-believe and imaginary as attempting to illegally transfer money over the phone from a jail cell.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:42 PM

52. Look, compared to shooting down Paul Wellstone's plane,

and convincing most people that there was an innocent explanation for the crash, this is a piece of cake.

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Response to Kurska (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:05 AM

143. Yeah, the replies in this thread are disappointing.

We're better than this, DU.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:03 PM

17. The rescued said "thank you George" at which point he felt endangered and shot/killed him

He felt endangered because he's gotten death threats and feared someone recognized him and might harm him.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:06 PM

18. A poorly planned PR move.

Zimmerman is a physical weakling, so was stated at the trial.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:13 PM

104. Super George is back!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:07 PM

19. "Get away from us, Z-man, we'll save ourselves. We don't want the infection." n/t

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:07 PM

20. Was he threatened by the truck?Did it look suspicious?...nt

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:26 PM

25. And I'll bet the rescued victim was black too.

What a guy!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:27 PM

26. Additionally, How is he out in public? He should be followed constantly.

By an army of hoodies.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:34 PM

28. Oh sure, TeleTubby is the new Batman ...

He was too much of a wuss to stop a 16 year old from "bashing his head into the ground" but he's suddenly strong enough to pull someone from a wrecked, overturned vehicle? My ass.

Before you rip me for "calling him names", please read my sig line. And have a nice day.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:36 PM

30. How does this make him less of a wannabe cop?

Nevermind the fact that he shot a black kid for a second, the reason he got into the situation in the first place was he is a dangerous wannabe cop who washed out of being a real cop. How does rescuing somebody out of a burning car make him less of a wannabe cop?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:39 PM

33. Looks like Zimmerman has hired Vladimir Putin's publicist

 

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:56 PM

35. Reasonably doubtful n/t

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:03 PM

39. Zimmerman as hero vouched for by Sanford, FL cop

Creepy ass cracker nominated for Citizen of the Year Award by Sanford, FL.
Parade with marching band planned for this weekend. Please ~ No hoodies

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

40. Until I see a video or pictures

It's all a PR stunt to me. Either way he's still a killer.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:07 PM

42. Maybe this is true or maybe it's not. Who gives a damn. nt

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:43 PM

53. Lame PR stunt fail.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:46 PM

57. Removing a possibly injured person from a vehicle crash is not advisable

...if you are not trained to do so. He could have caused further injury to them.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:51 PM

59. Exactly.

If the person had a cervical spine fracture or dislocation, removing him without a stryker frame could have caused quadriplegia.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:55 PM

61. Zimmerman should be in jail.

I'd be willing to bet that there are crash victims who think cries of PR setup are mighty silly. I think Z murdered Trayvon & I think he's a shitty guy. But I harbor no ill will to crash victims. I'm glad they're ok. I think someone nailed it upthread. He mighta been listening on a scanner.


That being said, how weird of a story is this?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:56 PM

62. A bit suspicious...

The defense lawyers use the "superwimp" argument to win the case. So, now he acts like a superhero out of the blue?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:59 PM

63. Why would the police report a non-injury crash to the media?

And who was the other, unnamed, man who helped get the family out of their car?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:09 PM

65. Excellent question...

Why would the Sanford police, via the Seminole County Sheriff's Office, release a statement on this, naming only Zimmerman and making the statement immediately after the rallies in support of Trayvon Martin and his family?


No agenda on their part I'm sure!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:22 PM

72. Wondering also.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:49 PM

79. Because the federal govt has a tip line for info about him?

The government wants to leave no stone unturned.

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Response to marshall (Reply #79)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:23 PM

86. They reported this to the media, not the feds. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #86)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:59 PM

91. Or perhaps both?

My point is, it is not surprising that he is news. When somebody has a special hotline established by the govt to get tips about him, the media and the public at large are also going to be curious. Asking why the media covers it or why the story is reported to them in the first place is like asking why the media is reporting about the royal baby, or why the hospital set up a special service to disseminate the information about this one baby.

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Response to marshall (Reply #91)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:02 PM

99. I didn't ask why the media covered it, I asked why the police reported it to the media.

Are you suggesting that the police should have reported a non-injury accident to the media just because George Zimmerman (or any public figure) showed up at the scene?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #99)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:26 PM

108. I assume they report all such accidents

But the media rarely picks up on it. All of those type of records are open to the public. Check out Perez Hilton's list of 15 celebrity "heroes" here http://perezhilton.com/galleries/15-celebrity-heroes/?id=380412. Those folks made the news because reporters saw their names on routine police reports. If you or I had saved somebody, unless it was an extraordinarily newsworthy event, we would not have gotten noticed. But the report would have been public if anyone had cared to look at it and publish it b

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Response to marshall (Reply #108)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:43 PM

128. The police reported it; the media did not dig it up from public records.

Media does not waste its time digging through non-injury accident records. Plus, why would the police name Zimmerman, but not the other guy who they say was also helping the family get out of their van?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:11 PM

66. Here is video of the rescue

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:13 PM

68. Who called the police? How much time before the cop arrived was GZ supposedly there?

How do we get a release on the 911 call?
The sheriffs dept is handling this incident as it is in their jurisdiction. Not sure why Sanford police gave any info. I asked Sanford police how it was that they were referenced in the press release but did not get a good answer. Had to leave a message with the public relations officer in Seminole County asking for the 911 call release.

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Response to WCLinolVir (Reply #68)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:49 PM

129. You are more of a journalist than the ABC affiliate who "broke" this story. nt

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:20 PM

70. I'm skeptical, but CNN has been treating this like the Second Coming!

The headline only got knocked off by the royal birth (the third coming?)

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Response to B Stieg (Reply #70)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:24 PM

73. conspiracy

By the homemade blowgun lobby to knock off the "don't inhale your homemade blowgun ammo" reports that just came out.

This is a real thing btw.


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Response to wingzeroday (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:17 AM

150. Or maybe just synchronicity

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:21 PM

71. So, the fuck what? He should have offered Trayvon a ride, home.

But, what did he do instead? He stalked him and then shot and killed him.

I don't give a fuck what he does from here on out.. he escaped Justice. And, karma can be a bitch for those who think they sneak by.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:27 PM

74. Why are they makeing this guy out like a hero?

He is not. He is a coward plane and simple that hides behind a gun. So what he rescues a car that flipped over it happens all the time it never makes national headlines. Just because he gets away with murder now we are supposed to believe he is a good person.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:30 PM

75. exactly as expected.

Those who convicted Zimmerman of murder before he even went to trial , and then convicted the judge then the jury and then finally the stand your ground law rather than admitting self defense resulted in the shooting, will continue the spouting off about Zimmerman etc. Trayvon Martin appears to have been killed because he attacked another person who then shot him. If Zimmerman had shot a white boy or man , it would still be self defense.
I have resisted saying this because it will hurt one who is already I am sure questioning what they could have done to prevent the tragedy. Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles. I feel sorry for parents of both Martin and Zimmerman and I feel sorry for Zimmerman. I have heard much much too little to convince me that he wanted to harm Martin when he followed him. Whether one is racist or not,self defense is a valid defense to murder charges. Zimmerman may be found guilty of a civil rights violation such as preventing Martin from use of a public sidewalk but I am sure the penalty for that cannot appease those that are trying to whip so many into a frenzied mob.
Those who keep convicting Zimmerman without any real believable scenarios in accordance with the evidence should move over to a conservative web site where cognitive dissonance is an honored tradition.
I do not know whether Zimmerman is guilty or not but certainly he will not find the answer at the hands of this unthinking mob with their pile on mentality.

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Response to daybranch (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:25 PM

87. Why don't you

 

just spare us with this defense of a 204 pound grown man that was 28 years old, needing a gun to defend himself against a 158 pound 17 year old minor that just turned 17. His injuries wasn't even life threatening. Zimmerman provoked the incident also.

And the Sanford Police Department is no friend to the Black community of Sanford, which is on record. It does really raise suspicions. Why did the vehicle turnover? Was the weather conditions bad? Were they driving too fast? So what was the Sanford police's determination why this vehicle turned over at an intersection, and was the driver at fault?

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Response to daybranch (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:54 PM

130. SERIOUSLY SICK POST...

"Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles."

Way to fucking blame the victim, blame the parent and blame his race for getting shot!

Sick bigoted shit...

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Response to daybranch (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:28 PM

136. What a filthy vile racist post. /nt

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Response to daybranch (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:14 PM

138. My sixth alert in 7 and 1/2 years on DU.

The above post is an ugly, racist, 'blame the color of the victim's skin for getting himself killed' statement.

UGGGGHHH!

This is NOT a difference of opinion, Jurors.

I have seen one other posting on DU about Trayvon's murder which also had a 'blame the parents' meme and that sick post was hidden:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3211761

The one above is even worse, because this poster is essentially telling Blacks that they are back in the Jim Crow era, and Black kids like Trayvon should know better than to walk on a public sidewalk in the presence of a white man and then run from him, and his parent's should have taught him the consequences of doing that.

"THEY SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT HIM TO AVOID...THE...CONSEQUENCES OF...RACISM."

I have never had a post hidden. Only 5 DUers have had me on ignore in the entire 7 and 1/2 years I've been a member, and I have had about 17 on ignore. This is a deal breaker for me, though. I don't care to associate with anyone who believes that that sick racist sentiment is just a difference of opinion, so please, would the jurors, and anyone else who thinks that, just PM me and I'll put you on ignore to save us all from having to read each others "difference of opinions".

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At Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:51 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

exactly as expected.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=545130

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Crazy, bigoted, hurtful, insensitive post. I can't believe I just read this:

"Trayvon Martin's parents if they were aware of the racist nature of our society shoulld have taught him to avoid the cruelest consequence of that racism. They should have taught him when it is appropriate to back down and to pick your battles."

MIRT ALERTED for trollish talk

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:02 PM, and voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Agree with Alerter.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Inappropriate on so many levels. Racist, and blaming the victims of this tragedy.

Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: it is an opinion - and will be debated. this is what discussion is.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I think you are letting your TM is always right, GZ is always wrong get the better of you. Come to grips with the fact that the case is over, and get a life, if not a clue. Oh, and for the record... maybe spend some time researching posts in GD about people 'telling their kids' about how racist, corrupt and evil the police are, and the warnings they give to them about what they could be facing. That should keep your little alert finger busy for a while.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Oh dear, a differing opinion! Cue the mob!

Thank you.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #138)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:47 PM

141. Some jurors don't even take the time to research the thread. n/t

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #141)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:18 AM

148. I'd like to believe so, because the alternative is awful. n/t

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:37 AM

146. Wow. Another Jury fail. Sheesh. nt

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:49 PM

158. I was Juror #2.

And, I still cannot believe that vile post wasn't hidden.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #158)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:14 PM

160. Thanks for your careful reading and your vote!

Those 3 jurors' decisions are still startling to me. What is even more unsettling is that I agree with this poster's remarks on a lot of other topics--he seems to be quite the liberal... but then this.

It reminds me of relatives, dead now, who were democrats in every way except they were racist. Very disheartening to see such an overt racist sentiment on this board and worse to see it get a pass.

None of the dissenting jurors PMed me, of course. Anonymity (and dementia, I discovered) often emboldens people to say and do the ugly things they really believe, but which they would never say in person, in public.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #160)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 05:44 PM

166. I use my IL to eliminate posts from people who are

routinely sarcastic, bombastic, racist, misogynistic, or--in general--verbally abusive. I am disheartened that the internet seems overrun by hate- and/or fear-based people who feel the need to be caustic and antagonistic. I would much rather have a civil discussion, even if I hold a differing opinion.

The racism where I live is--sadly--a daily challenge. I am actively anti-racist and anti-homophobic, but I try to be diplomatic--which is lost on some of the hatemongers. Those minds are like steel traps: slammed shut.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:56 PM

159. DU has become a cesspool

I spend little time here anymore.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:37 PM

76. I didn't know a news corporation could suck a dick

Leave it to ABC to prove it to me.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:00 PM

81. Hero complex, this man has...

Can't be spiderman or batman, at least I can go around shooting people and "saving" them. He has issues he needs looked at.

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Response to Locut0s (Reply #81)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:43 PM

127. Seriously, he should see a psychiatrist,

whether this story is a PR stunt or not. Non-professionals such as George Zimmerman, who continually insert themselves in 'rescue/hero' situations, can be mentally unbalanced.

George Zimmerman will always be a threat to everyone, especially as long as he carries a gun in public, but I would feel a smidgen better about him being free, if he were under the care of a psychiatrist who could monitor him bi-monthly for the next several years, anyway.

Wonder if George Zimmerman ever even received psychiatric counseling after killing Trayvon Martin?

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #127)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:24 AM

151. Excellent point

There is no way that GZ just happened upon the scene. Clearly, he seeks out these situations and fancies himself some sort of savior. Unfortunately, one of the consequences of his acquittal is that he may never receive psychiatric treatment. In prison, he would have.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

82. Fox News will have orgasms over this

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:06 PM

84. I heard George also donated blood for Kate Middleton earlier today.

God bless you George Zimmerman, God bless you.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:40 PM

90. I'm 72 Years Old

And have never come upon an accident scene where rescue had not yet arrived and personal assistance was necessary to help remove someone from a vehicle. And this happens with George Zimmerman only 3-4 days after he was found not guilty and his image was in need of rehabilitation? Those odds sound like having a lottery ticket with only 1 number wrong. Not sure why the police would be in the middle of this for Zimmerman but common sense tells us that this smells to high heaven.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #90)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:41 PM

95. with you on this, dallasNE

coinkydink.
sanford police are feeling a bit sensitive about they're role in the injustice of the trayvon case - they must do what they can to bolster their image...just a bit too convenient.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #90)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:42 PM

139. I am a few years younger than you, but have actually been first on the scene at several accidents,

two of which involved getting injured out of the vehicle before first responders could arrive. in none of those incidents did anything more happen than "thanks for your help, we'll take it from here", nor would there have been any reason for more than that.

it COULD have happened as "reported" (and I use that term oh-so-loosely) but. . . given the load of bs we have been subjected to about zimmy, not sure I would believe it WITH video.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:09 PM

100. DU never disappoints.

This went about as expected.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #100)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:40 PM

110. Tim TEBOW!! Did he save Tim Tebow!?!?!?

No it doesn't disappoint. I read this headline today and actually laughed out loud. Clearly everyone hear has their BS radar activated too.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:12 PM

101. I guess that's why they let him go

A psychic in the police dept knew he needed to rescue a guy in a truck.

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Response to agincourt (Reply #101)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:39 PM

109. I actually saw that comment on either USA Today or the NY Times today

it went "See he is still a hero!! If he had been convicted he wouldn't have been there to save those people"

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:13 PM

103. Does the Sanford PD release a statement everytime

someone stops to offer help at minor accidents where no one was injured?

Otherwise isn't this misappropriating public funds by doing public relations work for a private citizen (Zimmerman)?

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:15 PM

113. Why would the police be reporting this?

Trying to improve their own image perhaps? since they are all such pals.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:31 PM

116. Hmm, the number of right wing whackadoodles saving people from minivan crashes is about the same as

left wing politicians dying in small planes.

Didn't the whacko MD Senator who "diagnosed" Teri Schiavo from a video tape help people in a minivan crash after he was ridiculed for the "diagnosis".

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #116)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:10 PM

131. Something like that

Bill Frist?

I remember something about him saving people on the side of the road...

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:16 AM

152. Sorry, dude. There are no "whacko senators" from my state!

You meant TN's own Bill Frist:



Luckily, we have two great senators here.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #152)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:32 AM

153. Sorry, he is an MD. And a whacko.

I never said anything about your state.

Right after the Schiavo fiasco, he was feted (not fetid, although he is that as well) in the media for helping victims of a rollover crash.

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #153)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:27 PM

161. Apologies. I thought you said that he's from MD. LOL!!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #161)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:33 PM

162. I was too tired to remember how to spell physician.. And didn't think about MD also being a State.

I couldn't remember Frist's name so had to describe him rather than name him.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:46 PM

118. Good thing they werent wearing hoodies.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:03 PM

122. The bullshit is strong in this story

Anyone who believes this at face value is either truly naive or a Zimmerman fanboy.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:21 PM

124. I'm not interested enough in George Zimmerman to have an opinion, but this changes nothing about

Stand your ground being a completely ridiculous law.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:21 PM

125. It's simple. He is Forest Forest Gump.

Next week we will find out he delivered the Royal baby.

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Response to Norbert (Reply #125)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:10 PM

132. +1

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:37 PM

126. Up, up and awaaaaay!

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:06 PM

137. To take this story at face value you have to belive 3 things...

1) G.Z. who was in hiding "just happened to witness" a turned over truck before anyone else AND was willing to risk life and limb to save anyone in it.

2) This man who couldn't fight off a 160 teen was able to pull a family out of an overturned truck.

3) He did all this on a thursday YET it didn't make news until Monday. Missing the friday dump day to get maximum exposure on Monday new week news cycle.

...OK if these "facts" pass your sniff test then G.Z. is a hero but for me....


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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:47 PM

140. geez, did any of you read the comments after the article? absolutely vile and disgusting, as

we have come to expect.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 11:59 PM

142. okay, I am confused. the headline says "truck", and the body of the article says "suv"--are

they regarded as the same thing in some places?

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Response to niyad (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:29 AM

144. yes they are...n/t

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:23 AM

149. Horseshit.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:27 AM

156. I don't know

if this is true, but yesterday was the day that the Sanford PD handed over all the evidence related to the murder of Trayvon to the feds. Things that make you go hmmmm....

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:54 AM

157. He's the Tom Cruise of Sanford.

Old Tom always always manages to save someone when his reputation has been recently tarnished.

Having said that, yay for him. Everyone should lend a helping hand when the need arises.

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:09 PM

167. Oops. Looks like another fake story.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #167)

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 07:43 AM

168. Care to offer any proof?

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