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Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:07 AM

Spain Says It Was 'Told' Snowden on Bolivia Plane

Source: Associated Press

SPAIN SAYS IT WAS 'TOLD' SNOWDEN ON BOLIVIA PLANE

Jul. 5 5:44 AM EDT

MADRID (AP) — Spain says it and other European countries were told that fugitive NSA leaker Edward Snowden was aboard the Bolivian presidential plane that was diverted to Austria this week, causing a diplomatic row.

Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said Friday on Spanish National Television "they told us that the information was clear, that he was inside."

The minister did not say who supplied the information and declined to say whether he had been in contact with the United States. But he says European countries' reactions were based on this information.

Bolivia President Evo Morales claims Washington pressured European countries to deny the plane flyover permission Tuesday on suspicion that Snowden was using the flight as part of his bid to seek asylum.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/spain-says-it-was-told-snowden-bolivia-plane

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Reply Spain Says It Was 'Told' Snowden on Bolivia Plane (Original post)
Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP
warrant46 Jul 2013 #1
watoos Jul 2013 #7
Zorro Jul 2013 #19
go west young man Jul 2013 #28
Zorro Jul 2013 #30
go west young man Jul 2013 #32
Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #34
Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #20
Downwinder Jul 2013 #2
MADem Jul 2013 #3
Fumesucker Jul 2013 #9
MADem Jul 2013 #11
Fumesucker Jul 2013 #13
LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #26
East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #4
cantbeserious Jul 2013 #5
idwiyo Jul 2013 #6
struggle4progress Jul 2013 #8
struggle4progress Jul 2013 #10
temmer Jul 2013 #14
struggle4progress Jul 2013 #15
struggle4progress Jul 2013 #12
Cleita Jul 2013 #16
Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #21
Cleita Jul 2013 #24
Festivito Jul 2013 #17
Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #18
SoapBox Jul 2013 #23
Forgot10Hiro Jul 2013 #25
Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #22
go west young man Jul 2013 #27
ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #29
Igel Jul 2013 #31
ColesCountyDem Jul 2013 #33

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:17 AM

1. A friend of Dick Cheney told them

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Response to warrant46 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:08 AM

7. You bet!

It was the 1% Doctrine.

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Response to warrant46 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:13 AM

19. The original source could very well have been Russian

just to shit-stir and fuck with the US. If so, things worked out quite well.

Just sayin'.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:45 AM

28. Your Like Faux News.

'Just sayin".

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Response to go west young man (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:16 PM

30. I suggest you focus on the discussion topic and refrain from making insults

otherwise someone might point out "you're" lack of writing and punctuation skills.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:47 PM

32. "Just sayin".

Don't take it so personal. Sorry I struck a tender nerve.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:51 PM

34. Being as our state dept was in contact through the incident, I doubt it was Russia. nt

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Response to warrant46 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:25 AM

20. You fucking got that right! nt

PB

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:17 AM

2. Curve Ball still around?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:34 AM

3. RT had reporters on the scene in Vienna and elsewhere, to take statements.

They have more footage on this than anyone else.

Isn't that interesting?

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:28 AM

9. All the American ones were covering the Kardashians and Honey Boo Boo

You know, stuff that's important to Americans.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:46 AM

11. Well, the late Michael Hastings was working in Hollywood--do you put him in that group?

I think reporters go to where they KNOW there will be news. I also don't think nationality controls what sort of news reporters cover. They go to their strengths and interests.

I don't particularly want to see Joan Rivers covering Wall Street, thanks, anyway.

There are Americans in Egypt, covering the events there. There are Americans in South Africa, covering the failing Pres. Mandela. There are Americans in Moscow, on the hunt for MOCKBA Eddie.

Every country has gossip reporters. In fact, the very first gossip magazine I ever saw, a half a century ago, in Europe, was this one, the size of LOOK and with easily as many pictures: http://www.hola.com/

It wasn't an American effort...

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Response to MADem (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:54 AM

13. Reporters go where they can make a living

Pretty much like most people, they do what pays the bills.

My comment was more about Americans than American reporters, I saw Honey Boo Boo for the first time yesterday at a family gathering (mercifully the sound was off) and like a really revolting earworm it has stuck in my head.

Oh, my comment was at least partly in jest too.

Lighten up Francis.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:58 AM

26. That's funny, I also saw Honey Boo Boo for the first time yesterday.

I was at my parents' house. TLC had a marathon, it seems. We had the sound on, though, so I can tell you what they were saying if you're curious.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 06:40 AM

4. Cause we all know American intelligence is never wrong.

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:01 AM

5. Must Be The Emails Were Garbled In Transmission

eom

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:07 AM

6. Fucking lap dog. All I can say. Wonder what bones he has in his closet.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:26 AM

8. ... Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said in an interview on state television

that the country's airspace was not closed to the Bolivian leader's plane ...

Spain sees no reason to apologize to Bolivia in Snowden saga
Reuters
Sonya Dowsett 2 hours ago
http://news.yahoo.com/spain-says-no-reason-apologize-bolivia-snowden-saga-072024201.html

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:36 AM

10. ... The minister did not say who supplied the information and declined to say whether

he had been in contact with the United States ...

Spain Says It Was 'Told' Snowden On Bolivia Plane
by The Associated Press
July 05, 2013 5:48 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=198967973

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:55 AM

14. Who? The CIA - according to Marudo nt

 

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Response to temmer (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:04 AM

15. Do you mean Zanjoe Marudo? Or are you trying to cite Nicolás Maduro?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:52 AM

12. So Mr Spanish Foreign Minister is (1) making it clear that Spain's hands are clean, and (2)

pushing the blame onto everybody else, by (3) citing vague gossip he has heard, for which he can provide no real details

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:06 AM

16. Pathetic. I assume it's our shoot first and think later NSA who said "the information was

clear and that he was inside". Obama should sack the whole lot of them.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:25 AM

21. Who do you think is giving them their orders? nt

 

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Response to Forgot10Hiro (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:39 AM

24. You tell me.

Aren't those agencies supposed to be gathering intel and then presenting it to either Congress or the President? If they can't do their job and Congress or the White House acts on it, it seems they are incompetent and had jumped to conclusions going off all half cocked about their assumption that Morales was spiriting Snowden out of Russia on his AF jet.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:24 AM

17. "They" would be named if we were a democracy.

It wasn't Kelloggs of Battle Creek who told them to stop the plane.
It wasn't the White House. That they can be named.

I guess it's a recognized shadow government.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:07 AM

18. Fine just tell us who gave you the information. simple. nt

 

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Response to Forgot10Hiro (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:38 AM

23. Ditto!

Show us the message or play us a phone recording or...shut up.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:45 AM

25. Maybe the NSA can play the message back for them...

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:31 AM

22. Well, who is in a position to autoritatively tell European countries this and have them act on it?

Let's face it, the only people in the world who could not only convince a number of European countries on short notice of something and then cause them to create an international incident over the information is the good ole U S of A, y'all. I'd love to see anyone try to spin that another country on earth has that much pull to compel the countries involved into such embarrassing action.

PB

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:06 PM

29. It was public knowledge that Snowden was at a different airport than was President Morales.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but even I knew that. Foreign Minister Garcia-Margallo must not keep up on current events.

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Response to ColesCountyDem (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:28 PM

31. Except that it may be uncertain knowledge.

Transit zones are flexible. I read that the transit zone at Sheremetyevo was a small duty-free area and a Novotel wing.

But it includes another kind of hotel. And it includes detention areas.

These weren't accessible to the "Orwellian" newspaper story. In fact, often in countries like Russia where the rule of law and rule of man fuzz together in really nasty ways, the rules for one person are different from the rules for another. It depends on who's enforcing the rules and who the rules are being enforced upon.

There are non-Russian transit zones that include spaces far from the airport. Nothing precludes the Russian government from stipulating that some other area is also part of the transit zone as far as Snowden is concerned. Just as there was nothing precluding having the transit zone "narrowed down" for the reporter who authorities probably suspected showed up for a long layover for the purpose of ... well, tracking down Snowden.

What would keep Russian authorities from moving Snowden from Sheremet'evo over to Vnukovo, if they wanted to, all the while maintaining that he was in the "transit zone"? American "public knowledge"?

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Response to Igel (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:44 PM

33. When I hear hoofbeats, my first instinct is NOT to look for zebras.

Freud actually said it better: "Some times a cigar is just a cigar".

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