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Bozita

(26,955 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:53 PM Feb 2012

Ford, GM lead industry to best-ever showing in vehicle reliability -- J.D. Power study

Ford, GM lead industry to best-ever showing in vehicle reliability -- J.D. Power study
10:37 AM, February 15, 2012
By Brent Snavely
Detroit Free Press Business Writer


Four out of the top 10 brands in J.D. Power’s reliability study are from Ford or General Motors and their performance contributed to the industry’s best overall score in the history of a study that dates back to 1990.

“The fact that almost every brand improved…at a time when the industry was really hurting is impressive and frankly surprising,” David Sargent, vice president of global automotive for J.D. Power and Associates said in an interview.

Cadillac finished with the third best score in the study, behind Lexus and Porsche respectively. Lincoln and Ford ranked sixth and seventh while Buick ranked eighth.

The study measures the number problems per 100 for cars and trucks purchased in 2009. It is designed to measure long-term vehicle dependability.

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http://www.freep.com/article/20120215/BUSINESS01/120215012/J-D-Power-reliability-study-Ford-GM?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE


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Ford, GM lead industry to best-ever showing in vehicle reliability -- J.D. Power study (Original Post) Bozita Feb 2012 OP
Three cheers for Detroit Auggie Feb 2012 #1
My 95 Ford still runs perfectly well. closeupready Feb 2012 #2
JD Power says the only 5 star brand in overall quality is Lexus. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #3
CR uses "data" from their subscriber list, so it is not "scientific" Kolesar Feb 2012 #5
Actually, no. It gathers data for AUTOS from a variety of sources, INCL. the most important.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #6
"Faith" Kolesar Feb 2012 #7
Exactly. CR is full of shit Populist_Prole Feb 2012 #11
European cars typically DON'T do well in CR's user reliability survey NoGOPZone Feb 2012 #13
JD Power's isn't scientific either NoGOPZone Feb 2012 #14
The EPA goes by INTERIOR volume NOT the length of a car happyslug Feb 2012 #10
Technically, GM did go into "managed" bankruptcy Kolesar Feb 2012 #4
+1 Thanks for posting. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #8
Now if they could only enable jobs for Americans to buy these cars... lib2DaBone Feb 2012 #9
I wonder what GMC is doing to be ranked high density Feb 2012 #12
J.D. Power GETPLANING Feb 2012 #15
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
2. My 95 Ford still runs perfectly well.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:19 PM
Feb 2012

No need to replace it, except for vanity, and I'm not about to do that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. JD Power says the only 5 star brand in overall quality is Lexus.
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:48 PM
Feb 2012

If you disagree with that, stand in line.

I don't trust a site/org. that sells advertising to the very manufacturers that it proposes to "rate."

For ratings information on autos, look for a source that does NOT sell advertising to car manufacturers, like Consumer Reports. In particular, reliability reports should be based on information that is tracked for a number of years, not just two.

That article referenced in the OP is for a group of 2009 cars only. Power's even classes the GM Equinox (a beautiful SUV, BTW) as a "compact" SUV, which it is not. It is over 185 inches long, which is mid-sized, which those of you with small garages know. The reason they class it as a "compact," IMO, is it rates better when compared with "compact" SUVs (which are usually less than 180" long).

I learned a lot when researching vehicles the last couple of years.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
5. CR uses "data" from their subscriber list, so it is not "scientific"
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:54 PM
Feb 2012

There are ways to control a statistical measurement. CR isn't doing that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
6. Actually, no. It gathers data for AUTOS from a variety of sources, INCL. the most important....
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:05 PM
Feb 2012

it BUYS cars, the CR reporters actually DRIVE them for six months, to rate them on all their aspects of driving ability, comfort, practicality, viewing area out of the windows, mechanics, etc.

As for reliability, CR is one of the few places that gathers substantial data going back for years. Power does not. Even if CR reliability data is from subscribers, I would put more faith in that than a rating from a source that makes money from selling advertising to car mgrs. Is it any wonder that Chevy is rated higher on Power than CR, when Power makes money from Chevy. That's a conflict of interest, and taints any and all results.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
11. Exactly. CR is full of shit
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 06:35 PM
Feb 2012

Their subscriber's own cognitive dissonance over ballyhooed highly rated cars can and does affect their "ratings". Back when I worked on cars for a living, I used to get so puzzled as to why many cars that were high-maintenance, glitchy ( in what was an otherwise nice driving experience ), usually expensive European stuff were rated highly, while vhehicles that I, friends, family owned that were solid reliable fun transportation ( albeit lacking cache of whatever the darlings of the automotive media were of the day ) were panned spectacularly.

It happened so consistently I had to call bullshit. After that I didn't want to know their opinions on anything else either.



NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
13. European cars typically DON'T do well in CR's user reliability survey
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 08:13 PM
Feb 2012

"European models continue to be a blend of reliable and not so reliable vehicles. Overall, European vehicles’ reliability is slightly below that of domestic models. Of the 58 European models for which Consumer Reports has sufficient data, 37 (64 percent) scored average or better in predicted reliability.

Among European brands, Volvo ranked the highest at 10th overall. It was helped by the redesigned S60, which was above average in its first year. Volkswagen was able to hold on to 16th place in the ranking; seven of its 11 models scored average or better."

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/10/consumer-reports-2011-annual-car-reliability-survey-ford-drops-chrysler-rises-scion-leads.html

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
10. The EPA goes by INTERIOR volume NOT the length of a car
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 05:30 PM
Feb 2012
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/pdfs/guides/FEG2012.pdf

Thus the Equinox, whose interior volume is 99.7 is a sub-Compact (if it was a car). Through it the term "Compact SUV" is NOT used in the EPA guide (unlike Cars, which are divided between different size of cars). The EPA size for cars are as follows (Again INTERIOR VOLUME IS USED):

Minicompact Under 85 cubic feet
Subcompact 85 to 99 cubic feet
Compact 100 to 109 cubic feet
Midsize 110 to 119 cubic feet
Large 120 or more cubic feet

Given that the EPA does NOT use the above for SUV, we only have the maker[s statement as to interior volume and that is 99.7 cubic feet which would make it a sub-compact, if the Equinox was a car instead of a crossover/SUV.

http://autos.yahoo.com/chevrolet/equinox/2012/ltz-awd/specifications.html

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
4. Technically, GM did go into "managed" bankruptcy
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:53 PM
Feb 2012

But that was better than bankruptcy+liquidation like the Republican Congressmen were eager to see.

So, shove Jim Bunning up Romney's ass!
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Detroit Free Press Letters: Remember who opposed aid to auto firms

Had President Barack Obama listened to Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby, Kentucky Sen. Jim Bunning and now GOP presidential hopeful former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt as they espoused, and not continued the loans to the two automakers started by former President George W. Bush, there would not be a "Big year, brighter road for Detroit 3" (Jan. 5), as GM and Chrysler would not be in business.

There would have been an economic tsunami of epic proportions, and the country very well would have been pushed over the edge into a depression as upwards of a million people would have lost jobs. Auto suppliers, possibly along with Ford, would have gone out of business.

Since the loans were continued, GM and Chrysler entered and successfully exited bankruptcy. GM had a successful IPO. Both are selling more vehicles since the auto downturn, gaining market share and getting back to profitability with a brighter future ahead.

from Google cache / no link

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
9. Now if they could only enable jobs for Americans to buy these cars...
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 04:51 PM
Feb 2012

Republicans favor prison for everyone except their leaders... who they elevate to the highest level of corruption.

high density

(13,397 posts)
12. I wonder what GMC is doing to be ranked
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 07:54 PM
Feb 2012

so much lower than Chrevrolet. I guess 2009 Chevy cars (Cobalt, Impala, Malibu) must be more reliable than the truck/SUV offering.

GETPLANING

(846 posts)
15. J.D. Power
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:32 AM
Feb 2012

is not accurate and uses outdated information that is easily manipulated. That said, American car manufacturers have indeed come a looooong way. But most of their quality improvements are from Europe (Ford Focus) or Asia (Chevy Cruze). Chrysler is still crap.

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