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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:35 AM

U.S. says Chinese wind turbine firm stole trade secrets

Source: cnn.com

The U.S. Department of Justice has charged a Chinese wind turbine firm and two of its employees, alleging the group stole trade secrets from an American supplier in an act of "attempted corporate homicide."

The Chinese company -- Sinovel -- is one of the country's largest producers of wind turbines. It is accused of encouraging an employee of U.S.-based AMSC to steal copyrighted source code from a computer in Wisconsin for use in its turbines.

"The fact that Sinovel has exported stolen American intellectual property from China back into the United States -- less than 40 miles from our global headquarters -- shows not only a blatant disrespect for intellectual property but a disregard for international trade law," AMSC CEO Daniel McGahn said in a statement.

PM3000, the software in question, helps regulate the flow of electricity from turbines to electrical grids. The theft resulted in a loss of $800 million for AMSC, according to the indictment handed up by a federal grand jury in Wisconsin. Some 500 AMSC employees have lost their jobs following Sinovel's "egregious and unlawful behavior," McGahn said.


Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/28/news/companies/china-wind-sinovel/index.html

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Reply U.S. says Chinese wind turbine firm stole trade secrets (Original post)
SunSeeker Jun 2013 OP
fasttense Jun 2013 #1
GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #4
Earth_First Jun 2013 #6
L0oniX Jun 2013 #12
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #20
BadtotheboneBob Jun 2013 #2
Kolesar Jun 2013 #3
Brother Buzz Jun 2013 #17
Kolesar Jun 2013 #19
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #21
Kolesar Jun 2013 #22
JackN415 Jun 2013 #5
cojoel Jun 2013 #7
JackN415 Jun 2013 #8
L0oniX Jun 2013 #13
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #23
Blue State Bandit Jun 2013 #10
Beacool Jun 2013 #9
Myrina Jun 2013 #11
secondvariety Jun 2013 #14
bullwinkle428 Jun 2013 #15
Gregorian Jun 2013 #16
madrchsod Jun 2013 #18

Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:52 AM

1. Attempted Corporate Homicide?????

Really? Is there such a charge? Basically they are accusing this guy of murder of a corporation. Wow, stunning. A corporation can't really be killed, this is merely theft, nothing more nothing less. Something got stolen from them and they want the guy prosecuted for murder.

Capitalism on a rampage it seems. Now corporations will be accusing former employees of poisoning if they give out bad info. How about assault when the corporations stocks decline?

Corporations are all fine and dandy with using and abusing China's cheap labor. They are fine and dandy with doing business with the totalitarian Communist country but when China does what China seems to always do and encourages spies all of a sudden they are accusing people of murder over theft. You get what you deserve when you allow a totalitarian government to come into your country and trade.

Capitalism run amok.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:07 AM

4. Corporations are people.

So it follows that they can be murdered.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:43 AM

6. I was going to post a similar reaction...

"Corporate Homicide"

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Response to fasttense (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:07 AM

12. Will the punishment be a corporate execution?

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Response to fasttense (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:54 PM

20. I don't think he meant it literally. The theft was designed to "kill off the business", it wouldn't

be the first time for the Chinese. They have done that with competing companies or a company to which it would own a lot of money for royalties. There was an excellent case of that with a guy in California who designed a software censoring program for children. Here's a link to the story. He has a 2.2 Billion dollar judgment against China but won't be able to collect it.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/22/small-businesses-big-targets-for-cyber-snoops/

It's fox news but it was the first one I found. Very interesting story. Scary, really.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:03 AM

2. If you can't invent it, steal it...

Hell, even their new drone and jet fighters look just like ours...
"PARIS — China’s models of military planes at the Paris Air Show bear resemblance to U.S. aircraft, drawing attention to the rising concern in the Defense Department that the country is using cyber espionage to obtain sensitive defense technology."
http://defensetech.org/2013/06/20/chinas-fighters-drone-look-like-u-s-aircraft/#comment-384735
Coincidence? I think not...

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:06 AM

3. If only the federal government had a program to counter Chinese cyber crime

We could raid their computers and figure out how the Chinese government is planning to attack our US corporations.
:dry:

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:50 PM

17. How do you know such a program doesn't exist?

Siemens' Stuxnet worm, reworked a bit, would do the trick but the Chinese are to smart to fall for that; Stuxnet was a one trick pony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:16 PM

19. Well, I did put up the :dry: sign

Mildly sarcastic
Didn't Snowden compromise our program to spy on the Chinese?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:01 PM

21. There is a firm called Mandiant that made huge breakthroughs on catching China spying. It's not

pre-emptive so much as it's helped identify exactly where the info is coming from. President Obama finally publicly blamed China, because he had enough info. Since the buildings and networks were identified, the gov't has found out a great deal more about their hacking. The summit with Xi in California earlier this month was for the purpose of dealing with that. Obama's was planning on confronting China and show him the evidence, which apparently was beyond conclusive, and get cooperation on change. All of that was the plan, until the day before when Snowden released the info. Any chance Snowden asking the Washington Post for a guarantee of publishing his info within 72 hours coincidental?

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:08 PM

22. US and NY Times were working with Mandiant

A story was published about a month ago. I had a security training session at work and learned that my employer had been using Mandiant for years.

Yes, it looks like Snowden was intentionally sabotaging our efforts.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:31 AM

5. The tip of an iceberg. That is why US-China so-called "mutual" cyber spying is a big deception...

 

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The US does not engage in corporate, economic hacking to steal technology or trade secrets. At most, even if (BIG IF) the allegation by Snowden were true, the spying was for national security either against terrorism or about China military expansion.

In reverse, China routinely steals US intellectual properties, trade secrets, and snoops on various US organizations for other economically significant confidential information.

The news world and laypersons don't care the difference. Snowden provided the Chinese a perfect smokescreen to derail the US effort to confront China during the Obama-Xi JinPing summit. If he didn't get any compensation from the Chinese, it would be stupid of him. What is worse than a traitor is a stupid traitor who didn't get a dime.

This is a same as if a neighbor installs a security camera on his fence to make sure the neighbor's dog doesn't stray into his yard. The neighbor installs secret camera in his house, bedrooms, hacks into his bank account... and says: you spy on me and so, why do you accuse me of spying on you?

They are not the same.

The Chinese cyberhacking military unit may get trade secrets from Cisco or Apple for examples. They would give them to Huawei. The US doesn't spy on Huawei to give the info to US corporations.

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Response to JackN415 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:22 AM

7. How do you know this for sure

I don't know what you are saying is not true. I am just not sure anymore/

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Response to cojoel (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:15 AM

8. Just do some research into it. If you don't have time, google it and read a few articles.

 

like this:

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=china+military+hackers&oq=China+militray+hack&gs_l=hp.1.1.0i13l3.2276.9353.0.11728.25.20.3.2.2.0.196.1792.17j3.20.0...0.0...1c.1.18.psy-ab.PJBHMMTO_tI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU&fp=6e1b4cbf8831ab1e&biw=1085&bih=425

It takes a person years of following of this topic to get an accurate picture and an assessment.
Many have done that and you can read their writings as well.

This is not a topic for casual unconcerned readers.

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Response to cojoel (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:09 AM

13. You can ask the NSA can't ya? I'll bet they know all about it ...erm hmmm

I guess the NSA didn't know? Wow ...what are we unknowingly paying for?

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Response to cojoel (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:13 PM

23. That's exactly the effect they want. They have planted the seed of doubt. You can look at tons of

computer magazines or business articles and find info about this that pre-date anything Snowden did. My brother was telling me how bad it was over ten years ago. He was a computer engineer at Research Triangle Park.

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Response to JackN415 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:50 AM

10. And if Snowden was so concerned about American civil liberties...

he would be detailing NSA operations against OSW or details behind the Sibel Edmonds' allegations.

All the details I hear are regarding operations against foreign entities and passing anecdotes about US citizens caught up on the fringes.

I don't like the program, and believe it does not offer proper protections against unlawful/unconstitutional abuses, but last I heard, China is not covered by the US Constitution, and Moscow is no bastion of civil liberties.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:27 AM

9. Quelle surprise.........

The Chinese hacking our industrial secrets? Say it ain't so.

That's why Snowden flying off to a Chinese dominion was so egregious. They, and the Russians too, have been spying on us for years.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:52 AM

11. What does it matter - we're not using the technology (much) ...

... if China wants to develop/expand the industry while we choke on petroleum, good for them. Sucks to be us.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:30 AM

14. That's what I was thinking...

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:42 AM

15. THANKS, SNOWDEN!!

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:19 PM

16. I know someone who went to a Japanese trade fair and saw a product he was developing, for sale.

He was shocked beyond belief since he hadn't even gotten the thing out of development stage.

We're being watched. Lots of little people in China are stealing stuff from us.

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Response to SunSeeker (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:19 PM

18. china used to be the technology leader in the known world

now they have been reduced to stealing and having others engineer their technology

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