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Fri May 10, 2013, 09:35 PM

Don't bring parents here for welfare, Kenney says (Canadian immigration minister)

Source: CBC

Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney announced new criteria for sponsoring parents and grandparents to come to Canada today that are aimed at ensuring elderly immigrants don't end up on welfare or in social housing.

The changes are part of "phase 2" of the government's overhaul of the family reunification category of immigration. New applications for the program have been on hold since 2011 in order to cut down on a massive backlog that resulted in wait times of eight years.

Kenney said applications will resume Jan. 1, 2014, and will be limited to 5,000 per year. The applications will still take years to process because of the ongoing backlog. By the end of the year, the backlog is estimated to be around 80,000 applications.

Kenney said that about 25,000 parents and grandparents will be admitted as permanent residents in 2013 and he expects that level to continue in coming years.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/10/pol-immigration-family-changes.html



Kenney is part of the Conservative Party of Canada, the Canadian equivalent of the US Republican Party. Of course he'd use the welfare dog whistle. Meanwhile how much in welfare do elderly Canadian citizens use? The thing with conservatives is that they see welfare as "for me not for thee".

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Reply Don't bring parents here for welfare, Kenney says (Canadian immigration minister) (Original post)
alp227 May 2013 OP
Hotler May 2013 #1
classykaren May 2013 #7
Monk06 May 2013 #2
Posteritatis May 2013 #3
Grey May 2013 #4
Proletariatprincess May 2013 #5
freshwest May 2013 #6
Nye Bevan May 2013 #8
24601 May 2013 #9
thecrow May 2013 #13
freshwest May 2013 #14
GetTheRightVote May 2013 #10
L0oniX May 2013 #11
awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #12
BobTheSubgenius May 2013 #15
Name removed Jun 2013 #16

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:42 PM

1. You can sum up the republican party motto in one word...

"SELFISHNESS" that is all.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #1)

Sat May 11, 2013, 08:58 AM

7. Or " I have mine and the hell if you have yours" party

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:44 PM

2. Goodbye Chinese, Sikh and Jamaican vote. What a stupid prick. But one more nail in the Tory coffin.



The sad joke is elderly immigrants live in the family home because letting them live alone would be shameful. Plus implying that immigrants would let their parents live on welfare is an insult. I'm sure there are a few scammers but it would be very rare.

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Response to Monk06 (Reply #2)

Fri May 10, 2013, 09:49 PM

3. It's like they're actively trying to reenact the 1993 election. (nt)

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri May 10, 2013, 11:46 PM

4. Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney is

a Jackass....

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 12:08 AM

5. Does he mean USAmerican immigrants?

That was my first impression when I read the headline. Now I wonder how many Americans are indeed emigrating to Canada in their later years. I am sure that Canadians, especially Conservatives, would be especially incensed if USAmericans were coming there for the heathcare because our own country is now threatening to cut Medicare and SSI.

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Response to Proletariatprincess (Reply #5)

Sat May 11, 2013, 01:00 AM

6. They don't allow that, AFAIK. I checked it out because I wanted to move there.

I wanted to move there for the cheaper rents and a more laid back atmosphere. Just being there doesn't guarantee a thing, and if you want to live there, you have to prove you have an income or certain amount of money put away.

Unless they have changed it, they are quite particular on that issue. No fleeing to Canada for benefits for Americans, the only thing we get is no visa required. Last time I visited with a handicapped plate they wouldn't allow me to park in any handicapped spaces because they said I didn't pay taxes there.

The exchange rate and prices on goods were good. I found it very comfortable and easy going.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sat May 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

8. Seriously? A US handicapped permit does not allow you to park in Canadian handicapped spots?

Poor show, Canada.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #8)

Sat May 11, 2013, 01:23 PM

9. Bad Canada - copying NYC on not honoring any permits but the ones they issue.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Sat May 11, 2013, 08:34 PM

13. I have land I bought in Canada a few years ago...

and I have cousins up there. I was thinking of building a cabin big enough for my piano, guitars, paintings and library. Then just kicking back til I kick off.

The money you had to have before emigrating there was $300,000... has that changed?

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Response to thecrow (Reply #13)

Sat May 11, 2013, 09:40 PM

14. I thought it was more than that now, at last I read. I was planning to buy land as well, or get an

apartment in Richmond, Sidney or Victoria. Something tiny, so I could enjoy the life in the city.

The land I was thinking of getting was wooded in the hills of B.C. and they said one could build a cabin and pretty have at it. But I have no relatives in Canada and am retired, so this is not the time for new venture for me.

I have a friend who was born and has family there, who talks about moving because she wants healthcare and to get away from RWers. But she isn't close to her family. She does complain about healthcare here for her disabled daughter and herself, but is not confident about moving to BC for her future.

I think the best way to emigrate is to have, IIRC, $500,000 or a job skill they want. Being retired, I have no skill they want, but even though I have my pension and health care which would be in place in another country, they didn't seem too welcoming.

So I'm sticking it out. I also have family who require my help. If I didn't, I'd be gone, since I found BC so relaxing. Perhaps that land you have will just end up being your 'bug out' place in the future or an investment.

That's all I know, and I gave it up a few years ago.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 01:30 PM

10. No one should move to a country and be on welfare...

and I am not a conservative either. It just makes sense, why should other taxpayers cover a person who is not and has not been a citizen. Let's get real...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:32 PM

11. Well this should make Sid happy. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat May 11, 2013, 02:38 PM

12. At some point it has to stop...

or their system goes broke.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun May 12, 2013, 12:47 PM

15. My American wife and I are in the end stages of getting her a Permanent Resident card (Green Card)

Other than life-threatened refugee status (the lowest threshold in the world, as far as I know), spousal is the easiest and quickest to get. We filed in October last, my sponsorship of her being the first and shortest hurdle, and the official decision from CIC is quite literally in the mail as I write this.

The key thing in this case is that the applicant (her) needs to have a qualified sponsor (me) who assumes full financial responsibility for at least 5 years.

I have no personal experience or knowledge of other categories of immigration, but I know it takes YEARS to get PR cards for people other than spouses and or dependent children, so I fail to see what the fuss is about on the part of the so-called reformers.

Also, there is zero access to govt. pensions; one is based on contributions to the system throughout your working life, and the other is based on years of citizenship and residency, but not contributions. It takes 10 years of qualified residency to get a quarter of max, and 40 years to get max....and they aint that much.

The only way to get her health insurance, other than as a couple, based on my coverage, is for her to be here (BC) for 6 months. As an aside, it is cheap like borscht, (zero cost for a couple earning $29,000 or less, including a 70% discount on Rx)as the saying goes, and works REALLY well, despite what few cherry-picked personal disasters are pushed forward by critics (paid shills) of the system. Do NOT let go of the idea of eventual single-payer health insurance, hopefully coming soon to a theater near you.

To digress further, and in response to previous posters, I COMPLETELY relate to the wish to live here on the Wet (sic) Coast, in general, or in Victoria specifically - beautiful small city (350,000 in the Greater Victoria area), with a climate slightly milder than even Seattle, and, as was pointed out, as laid back as you could hope for.

There is also a cardiac unit that is rated the best in Canada and, the last time I checked, third-rated in North America, and a cancer clinic that other health jurisdictions study in order to emulate. I have first-hand knowledge of the cardiac care center because it saved my life when I had a Staph A infection in my heart. So, along with MANY senior-targeted programs and services, it is VERY retirement-friendly.

The downside is that, while it is far from the most expensive place you could find, it is not that cheap, either. In this somewhat down market phase, the bottom end of the single family home market is about $375,000, with affordable rental housing hard to find. The average selling price of a single-family house in April was $642, 000. Also, because of transportation costs, the prices of goods are slightly higher...known informally as The Island Tax.

Still, I find it fully and completely worth it...although I moved back here in 1979 and bought a place for what seems like peanuts now, so the vicissitudes of the market do not directly affect me. I cannot imagine how I could manage home ownership now.

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