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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:57 AM Feb 2012

Mexican army finds 15 tons of pure methamphetamine

Associated Press – 2 hrs 7 mins ago

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican troops have made an historic seizure of 15 tons of pure methamphetamine in the western state of Jalisco, the Mexican army said in a statement released late Wednesday.

Soldiers discovered the huge cache in the town of Tlajomulco de Zuniga, a suburb of Mexico's second-largest city, Guadalajara.

The statement had no other details but said it would publicly present the seizure on Thursday. Spokesmen answering the phone at the army's base in Guadalajara refused to comment further.

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The find outside Guadalajra is more than four times the size of a major seizure last summer of 3.4 tons (3.1 metric tons) and more than twice the total amount of meth seized in Mexico in 2009, according to the U.N. report.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-army-finds-15-tons-pure-methamphetamine-051752554.html
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Mexican army finds 15 tons of pure methamphetamine (Original Post) ellisonz Feb 2012 OP
That will keep them awake for a while. MidwestTransplant Feb 2012 #1
You betcha... ellisonz Feb 2012 #3
Ooouch! flamingdem Feb 2012 #24
I wonder if it was blue? n/t Duer 157099 Feb 2012 #2
heisenberg? iemitsu Feb 2012 #12
negro y azul... RainDog Feb 2012 #15
Fruit of US military-aid SayIt Feb 2012 #4
This poster is no longer with us. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #6
Actually, that represents tha tdaily use by US airmen in WWII. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #7
Not doubting you, much, but Johnson20 Feb 2012 #14
Amphetamine which is a cousin of Methamphetamine is used. former9thward Feb 2012 #21
That was my point, but badly stated. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #23
Rather short of fifteen million tons per day usage by US airmen alone... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #33
USAF flight surgeon gave me 'Go' and 'Stop' pills. trof Feb 2012 #27
As with post #14, I too would like to see a source cited for... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #17
Myself, I would like to see a reference Johnson20 Feb 2012 #18
it's certainly possible LanternWaste Feb 2012 #34
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Johnson20 Feb 2012 #28
Boy, you'd need a REALLY big pot to cook 30,000 pounds of meth hedda_foil Feb 2012 #5
Sounds like Walter and Jesse have been busy... Earth_First Feb 2012 #8
Illegal Drug Use as "self medication" Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #9
Adderall? boppers Feb 2012 #25
Yup: Adderall! Legal speed Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #26
15 tons. 15 tons. 15 TONS! Damn, Republicans are going to need switch to booze for a while. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #10
Better call Saul... alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #11
or you may end up like this guy RainDog Feb 2012 #16
After Breaking Bad, Saul Needs His Own Show Yavin4 Feb 2012 #37
"Texas Surrenders" The Doctor. Feb 2012 #13
There go the Mexicans, stealing American jobs again. arbusto_baboso Feb 2012 #19
lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
Did they find Walter White? sarcasmo Feb 2012 #22
15 tons what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #29
Oxymoron... WheelWalker Feb 2012 #30
In case anyone was wondering what 15 tons of meth looks like... ellisonz Feb 2012 #31
Yucky. WheelWalker Feb 2012 #36
I wonder how much of it will go to the narcos they are working for this week?nt expatriate2mex Feb 2012 #38
In an unrelated story, the US meth dealers are bracing hughee99 Feb 2012 #32
Can someone help me out here? sofa king Feb 2012 #35

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
7. Actually, that represents tha tdaily use by US airmen in WWII.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:11 AM
Feb 2012

They used meth stay awake on long flights in. Ith theaters of war. Hell, the ground forces used it, too.

 

Johnson20

(315 posts)
14. Not doubting you, much, but
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 12:39 PM
Feb 2012

I would like to read more about this, so source please. I have/had a lot or relatives who were WWII vets, both in the air and on the ground. They have never mentioned this.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
21. Amphetamine which is a cousin of Methamphetamine is used.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 09:40 PM
Feb 2012

"Amphetamine has been, and is still, used by militaries around the world. British troops used 72 million amphetamine tablets in the second world war and the RAF used so many that "Methedrine won the Battle of Britain" according to one report. American bomber pilots use amphetamine ("go pills&quot to stay awake during long missions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
33. Rather short of fifteen million tons per day usage by US airmen alone...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:01 PM
Feb 2012

Rather short of fifteen million tons per day usage by US airmen alone...

Not so much as badly stated, but rather a misstatement by any measure.

trof

(54,256 posts)
27. USAF flight surgeon gave me 'Go' and 'Stop' pills.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 08:23 AM
Feb 2012

In the mid 60s I was one of six pilots who flew cramped, single-seat fighters (RF-84/F) from Ramey AFB in Puerto Rico to Birmingham, Alabama where our Air National Guard base was located.
We'd been on a one week joint exercise down there.

The trip was about 1500 miles and took around 5 hours.
We 'buddy' flew with a couple of KC-135 tankers so we could refuel from time to time.
You couldn't really move around or stretch in that confining cockpit, so I was numb from the hips down about 3 hours into the flight.

The doc gave each of us some kind of amphetamine tablet to take an hour before our arrival.
As you can imagine, we were dead tired by then and needed to be 'up' for landing.
After we'd parked and shut the birds down, he gave us a 'Stop' pill, probably some form of phenobarbital.
I took it with a couple of beers (Yeah, bad, I know) and zonked for about 18 hours.

One of my buddies on that flight topped it and then some in 1991.

"The RF-4C Phantom II was the last manned, tactical reconnaissance aircraft in U. S. Air Force inventory. The 1991 Persian Gulf conflict was its last war. Still, the RF-4C was in on the action in Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm from the beginning."



"The Phantoms belonged to the 106th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron (TRS) of the Alabama Air National Guard (ANG) at Birmingham and were led by Col. (later Maj. Gen.) James F. “Jim” Brown. Their journey to the war zone may have been the longest nonstop flight made by operational warplanes until that time, requiring 16 air-to-air refuelings and spanning 8,000 nautical miles in 15.5 hours. “The Phantom has a roomy cockpit but this was a real challenge to comfort,” Brown said later."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. As with post #14, I too would like to see a source cited for...
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:59 PM
Feb 2012

As with post #14, I too would like to see a source cited for 15+ tons/day of meth use.

 

Johnson20

(315 posts)
18. Myself, I would like to see a reference
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:14 PM
Feb 2012

to the use of any meth, though I think it could be possible in a few instances.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. it's certainly possible
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:09 PM
Feb 2012

It's certainly possible-- lots of new drugs were being tested on soldiers by the end of the war by all of the major players.

However, 15 tons per day by US airmen alone is an absurd statement; and having recently read Watson's 'The Movement Toward Air Autonomy' which made mention of meth being used on an individual squadron by squadron basis in the 9th Air Force only, I'm thinking the poster is simply making stuff u.... embellishing a truth for the sake of melodrama.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
9. Illegal Drug Use as "self medication"
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 08:49 AM
Feb 2012

Why bother to bust it ... when doctors are prescibing it to our kids, all the time? Adoral (SP?), very prescribed for attention disorders, is an amphetamine cocktail, apparently.

In partial recognition of this, courts, lawyers sometimes refer to illegal use of such substances as "self-medication" efforts. Since such substances have a legitimate medical use.

boppers

(16,588 posts)
25. Adderall?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:58 AM
Feb 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

" It is a brand-name psychostimulant medication composed of racemic amphetamine aspartate monohydrate, racemic amphetamine sulfate, dextroamphetamine saccharide, and dextroamphetamine sulfate, which are all amphetamine salts."

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
26. Yup: Adderall! Legal speed
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:19 AM
Feb 2012

Used for attention disorder: helps you focus!

Maybe the biggest illegal prescription on the streets. After another "upper": Viagra.

arbusto_baboso

(7,162 posts)
19. There go the Mexicans, stealing American jobs again.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:17 PM
Feb 2012

What will happen to all the little mom-and-pop meth labs here in the U.S., I ask, if Mexico is allowed to flood our country with its cheaper product? What will all the trailer dwellers in San Bernardino County, California DO for a living?

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
29. 15 tons what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:46 PM
Feb 2012

With apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford.

Thanks for the thread, ellisonz.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
31. In case anyone was wondering what 15 tons of meth looks like...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:51 PM
Feb 2012

Photo: A Mexican soldier stands guard Thursday over barrels of methamphetamine and other chemicals found on a farm. Credit: Ulises Ruiz Basurto / EPA

 

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
32. In an unrelated story, the US meth dealers are bracing
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:51 PM
Feb 2012

for 14.9 tons of Meth to flood the market in the coming months.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
35. Can someone help me out here?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

Everything I know about meth I learned from Breaking Bad, which is why I'm asking.

In the TV show, the smallest amount I recall being mentioned is a "'teenth," which I assume is one-sixteenth of an ounce (or less than two grams). That seems to be enough to get two or three people roasted.

If that is correct, then there are 16 "teenths" in an ounce, 256 "teenths" in a pound, 512,000 "teenths" in a ton, and 7.68 million "teenths" in this seized shipment.

Or about enough to get the entire city of Albuquerque, New Mexico high for two weeks.

So first, are my guesses correct? Second, is my math correct?

And third... how much of this crap are people smoking? Does this represent a years' worth of American consumption, a month's... or two weeks for Albuquerque?

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