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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:16 PM May 2013

Syria's Assad Likely Behind Chemical Weapons Use, White House Says

Source: Associated Press

By BRADLEY KLAPPER and MATTHEW LEE 05/06/13 04:55 PM ET EDT

--CLIP
The chemical weapons argument is now under surprising attack, with former war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte saying over the weekend she and fellow members of a four-member U.N. human rights panel have indications the nerve agent sarin was used by Syrian rebel forces, but not by government forces.

Despite a clarification from the UN that it is has not yet made any definitive determination on chemical weapons use, Washington pushed back on del Ponte's assertion, saying it's highly likely that the Assad regime, and not the rebels, has been behind any chemical weapons use in Syria.

"We are highly skeptical of suggestions that the opposition could have or did use chemical weapons," Carney said. "We find it highly likely that any chemical weapon use that has taken place in Syria was done by the Assad regime. And that remains our position."

The State Department said the administration continues to believe that Syria's large chemical weapons stockpiles remain securely in the regime's control.




Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/syria-assad-chemical-weapons-white-house_n_3224057.html

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. There still is no definitive WH position on this. Just AP caption editor spin.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

Read Carney's statement with the intended qualifications and hedging in mind:

"We are highly skeptical of suggestions that the opposition could have or did use chemical weapons," Carney said. "We find it highly likely that any chemical weapon use that has taken place in Syria was done by the Assad regime. And that remains our position."

In combination with Del Ponte's stated conclusions, nobody's going to be persuaded that there's a casus belli here.
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. The caption editor should have written it properly and said "highly likely" and how you find the
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:40 PM
May 2013

WH has no definitive 'position' on this, I can't figure.

Here is the WH/Carney clip:

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. There is no definitive evidence of what was used and by whom, hence "any chemical weapon use that
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:33 AM
May 2013

has taken place" -- "any" being the qualifying statement.

Parsing WH press statements on Syria is like listening to old Kremlin statements on Vietnam: part exhortation to greater violence and part plausible deniability of their own role.

a_post_8

(15 posts)
4. Agree... Pretense for the old PNAC agenda - RT story - Syria, Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan....
Mon May 6, 2013, 08:23 PM
May 2013
http://rt.com/op-edge/iran-pakistan-syria-pipeline-843/

Yet again, while our friends at MSNBC rail against being mislead into the Iraq war - they are eating the foreign policy/petro pablum again....
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
5. "He's Got 'Em, Let's Get Him!" (Sarcasm with PHOTO)
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:09 PM
May 2013

Headlines from 'The Sun' about Iraq (which turned out to be a lie):

daleo

(21,317 posts)
6. "Highly likely" isn't evidence
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:15 PM
May 2013

It's just a statement about probability, from a potentially biased source.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
7. And merrily we march along, march along, march along and merrily we march along to fight
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:28 PM
May 2013

another war...for israel.

From the archive:

Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq Attack

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/18/world/main519037.shtml

David__77

(23,367 posts)
8. But the US does not base this on any empirical evidence.
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:23 PM
May 2013

Thankfully, the murk of it all might help prevent the war lobby from getting their way, if nothing else.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
9. Reminder: The U.S. Government Lies About Who Uses Chemical Weapons in the Mideast
Tue May 7, 2013, 04:06 AM
May 2013


In a letter to key lawmakers, the White House said U.S. intelligence agencies “assess with varying degrees of confidence that the Syrian regime has used chemical weapons on a small scale in Syria, specifically the chemical agent sarin.”

Now Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN Commission on Syria, says they have "strong, concrete suspicions" that chemical weapons were used in Syria, but that they were deployed not by the Assad regime but by Syrian rebels. (Del Ponte was the lead prosecutor of Slobodan Milosevic; earlier she barely escaped assassination when Sicilian organized crime attempted to blow up her house with 1000 pounds of explosives.)

And this is from March 1988, about Saddam Hussein's notorious gassing of the Iraqi city of Halabja back when Saddam was our ally:

>

Seventeen years later, investigative reporter Joost Hiltermann wrote about declassified State Department cables instructing U.S. diplomats to muddy the waters by claiming that both Iraq and Iran had used chemical weapons around Halabja and "to dodge the 'What’s the evidence' question with the stock 'Sorry, but that’s classified information' response...In the final analysis, the only evidence for the convenient claim that Iran used chemical weapons during the war is that the US government said so."

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/reminder-us-government-lies-about-use-chemical-weapons-mideast
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
11. The President does not
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:39 AM
May 2013

have Public support to invade Syria. It shouldn't matter what anybody else says, Foreign or the paid stooges in our Congress, who no longer speak for us. When a country goes to War, the President and Congress should have Public support from the American people for it. In this case they do not. The Arab supporters of the opposition have Armed Forces if they are so concerned about Assad. Saudi Arabia has a military and an Air Force we equipped them with. Egypt does too and so does Jordan. Turkey does too. Those countries do not need the United States to attack Assad and remove him. That so called opposition group don't need to be running to us for their internal conflicts. They are crying to us, but I don't see any of these countries spilling one drop of blood from their militaries. And why does the United States have to give them our tax dollars considering how wealthy the countries of their Arab backers are? We are talking about Saudi Arabia and countries like Qatar. They have Sheiks that have Billions. It is the same deal with Kuwait.

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