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Santorum: Family, Church 'Bulwarks Of Freedom In America' (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2012 OP
I would agree with him that Family is very imporant Drale Feb 2012 #1
But it's not freedom for women and children. Only men. SharonAnn Feb 2012 #30
I'd definitely say that Sly and the Family Stone were a bulwark of freedom Ken Burch Feb 2012 #37
... handmade34 Feb 2012 #39
I am single and live alone. Does this make me an enemy of freedom? kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #2
Me too. hifiguy Feb 2012 #4
Me three AlbertCat Feb 2012 #9
"I guess I am therefore in chains." If you are gay, it's a no-brainer. closeupready Feb 2012 #16
(snort) kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #24
Me four.... KatyaR Feb 2012 #38
As a Christian Iliyah Feb 2012 #3
I despair when I see people supporting this American Talibanistic moron. Smilo Feb 2012 #5
Oh Rickie.... WCGreen Feb 2012 #6
Family, Church AlbertCat Feb 2012 #7
Santorum: It's what's for breakfast. sofa king Feb 2012 #8
try spreading it on a pious-baloney gingrich! Yummmmmmy! lastlib Feb 2012 #10
Ewwwww! Lost-in-FL Feb 2012 #11
Blechhkk.. pangaia Feb 2012 #20
im sure this is in jest.. oldhippydude Feb 2012 #25
No, I really had that very cup of it this morning! sofa king Feb 2012 #26
More Orwellian Garbage... fascisthunter Feb 2012 #12
Church = Opposite of freedom Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #13
Authentic spirituality is FREE. "Church" does NOT want you to know this. patrice Feb 2012 #22
Most certainly. Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #31
I don't go to church. I don't feel confined Roland99 Feb 2012 #14
So how many orphans has Santorum adopted? closeupready Feb 2012 #15
OH NO HE Didn't go there. OOOOHHHHH Don't get me started Justice wanted Feb 2012 #17
I want to know what the fuck kind of "freedom" is it that DEPENDS upon anything, especially on patrice Feb 2012 #18
DEPENDS? = Isn't that what those experiencing santorum require? patrice Feb 2012 #19
The Ayatollah Santorum speaks.. pangaia Feb 2012 #21
church is the ultimate enslaver. what are you talking about, Santorum? Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #23
I agree with him wholeheartedly... Bruce Wayne Feb 2012 #27
Great response! nt TBF Feb 2012 #29
uh, Ricky, isn't that the job of the Armed Forces? lanlady Feb 2012 #28
The churches are a bulwark of freedom? Ken Burch Feb 2012 #32
Did anybody else read the thread title as Ken Burch Feb 2012 #33
When your enemy is in over their head, send them more shovels. harun Feb 2012 #34
That is an incredibly stupid statement. Still Blue in PDX Feb 2012 #35
Well, since when does the church have the right EC Feb 2012 #36
don't look now, but one of your 'bulwarks of freedom in America'.... unkachuck Feb 2012 #40

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. I would agree with him that Family is very imporant
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:38 PM
Feb 2012

but I'm guessing my idea of what family life is is very different from Rickyboys idea.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
2. I am single and live alone. Does this make me an enemy of freedom?
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:50 PM
Feb 2012

And I am non-religious. I guess I am therefore in chains.

Keep it up, Rick. Keep stumping in favor of theocracy.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Me too.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:57 PM
Feb 2012

Never been married, live alone except for my feline roommate and I've been a convinced atheist for decades. I'm doomed, I guess.

I though it was Repuke economic policies that would spell my end. Who knew?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
9. Me three
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:16 PM
Feb 2012

Unsaddled with the responsibility of a family, or of trying to uphold the dogma and rules of some religion, I am just simply unable to do anything I want!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. "I guess I am therefore in chains." If you are gay, it's a no-brainer.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:54 PM
Feb 2012

Since we who are gay are 'living in bondage'. I mean, for some of us, we have to be in the mood. But still ...

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
38. Me four....
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 08:22 PM
Feb 2012

Single, no kids, never married, have a pupster kid but that's it, most all my family is gone, too. I spend my holidays alone (and like it).

Being single is one of the main reasons I quit religion--I got sick and tired of having "family" thrown in my face every minute of the freakin' day. If you didn't have "family," you were pretty much only good enough to make the coffee and put out the cookies after church (but only with supervision). You can be single and be divorced, and/or have kids as well, and that's pretty acceptable, but be single and childless, and you're left out in the cold.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. As a Christian
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:55 PM
Feb 2012

I'm very frighten by these so called religious right wingers who want to take away my "freedom" inorder to instill their non-Christian will upon me, my family and my beloved country.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
5. I despair when I see people supporting this American Talibanistic moron.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
Feb 2012

It is rather ironic that Santorum and his followers denounce the Taliban, yet themselves are quite envious of what the Taliban has achieved - the strictest interpretation of religious law and the continued brutality against non-followers and, of course, their complete disdain for women.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
6. Oh Rickie....
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:13 PM
Feb 2012

Look at all he misery that is caused by people staying inside a family that is highly disfunctional....

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. Family, Church
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:13 PM
Feb 2012

What about prejudice and ignorance???

and isolation?


These things keep us from being Frenchified or "old Europe", don't they?


Or something....


Maybe he meant THE Family and its church on C Street.


Empty, useless platitudes from a religious bigot

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
8. Santorum: It's what's for breakfast.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:14 PM
Feb 2012


The recipe is simple: pour boiling water over Tang and hot chocolate mix. Try it yourself!

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
25. im sure this is in jest..
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:09 PM
Feb 2012

for those old enough to remeber "fizzies" (early 60's tablet about the size of alka-seltzer, that turned water into soda pop).. when fizzies were dropped in chocolate milk, the resultant product tasted suprisingly like liquid tootsie pops..one of my fond boy scout memories...

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
26. No, I really had that very cup of it this morning!
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:19 PM
Feb 2012

(Minus the Photoshop job, of course.) And it really does foam up into a disgusting-looking froth that is like a little love letter to Aristophanes.

Now I for one happen to like orange-and-chocolate, and studies show that when one makes one's own concoctions, one is more likely to enjoy it. So I had that going for me.

For many of you, however, the taste will likely be indistinguishable from the name. So you are warned.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
12. More Orwellian Garbage...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:33 PM
Feb 2012

Sorry, but churches in general are against free-thought, very restrictive(depending on your religion) and oppressive....

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
13. Church = Opposite of freedom
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:42 PM
Feb 2012

Churches are oppressive institutions that subjugate and control their subjects many of them (RCC, LDS, etc.) attempt to subjugate and control everybody else.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
22. Authentic spirituality is FREE. "Church" does NOT want you to know this.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:00 PM
Feb 2012

I believe the Greek root of the word "church" is community. Originally, that would have been a much more organic, and therefore unlimited, referrent. The habitual BLASPHEMY known as "church" today seeks the power to restrict what church/community is, because it is driven by hate. There ARE exceptions of course, but fear and hate appear to be the average if you just look at what the religious critical mass has achieved in our culture.

There are (or were, in this case) people like Alan Watts, who was known to say that the only true objective of any authentic church would be to make itself obsolete.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
17. OH NO HE Didn't go there. OOOOHHHHH Don't get me started
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 02:34 PM
Feb 2012



Hey you little nut job the Freedoms in the first 10 bill of rights allow you to enjoy those two things you just mention!


If it wasn't for half of the Founding father's families coming here to escape religious persecution YOU wouldn't be allowed to enjoy your Religion today!

So enjoy your family and the church you want to worship BUT they are NOT the TWO institutions that give you FREEDOM

patrice

(47,992 posts)
18. I want to know what the fuck kind of "freedom" is it that DEPENDS upon anything, especially on
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 02:49 PM
Feb 2012

something as profoundly oppressive as religion.

Jesus recognized this and THAT'S why the ChurchCoC of his time killed him.

Bruce Wayne

(692 posts)
27. I agree with him wholeheartedly...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:28 PM
Feb 2012

And that's why I think it's terrible that he wants the government to interfere in family decisions and why I think it's destructive to our society that he wants to place his church values in charge of public policy and impose them on top of my religion.

Rick Santorum: out-Talibaning the Taliban

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
28. uh, Ricky, isn't that the job of the Armed Forces?
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:30 PM
Feb 2012

Silly me. Here I thought we have a mighty military to defend us.

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
35. That is an incredibly stupid statement.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:18 PM
Feb 2012

Unless of course he means that invoking family and church gives him the freedom to say incredibly stupid things without need of backing them up with facts, i.e., "Family! blah blah blah blah," (cue applause from rightwing crazy people). "Church! blah blah blah," (cue applause from rightwing crazy people).

Family is wonderful and church is wonderful (if you're a churchy type), but they really have more to do with commitment and responsibility than with freedom.

EC

(12,287 posts)
36. Well, since when does the church have the right
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:09 PM
Feb 2012

to tell the government what to do? Are we back in the feudal days of the Pope ruling the world?

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
40. don't look now, but one of your 'bulwarks of freedom in America'....
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 11:21 PM
Feb 2012

....has been hurting....families have been under tremendous stress since your Republican created economic meltdown in '08....yet you and the Republican Party have done amazingly little to cooperate and help the American family cope through these hard times....

....you and the Republican Party have only chosen to wage political warfare at the expense of the American family instead of solving Americas' economic issues....

....you and the Republican Party are liars and hypocrites lacking any moral compass; you're only guided by your big-buck GPS unit that points directly to wall-street....it's time we replace those batteries....

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