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Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:03 PM

Begich Explains Background Check ‘No’ Vote: We Shouldn’t Legislate With Our Emotions

Source: TPM

Sen. Mark Begich (D-AK), who voted against a proposal to expand background checks for gun buyers that failed in the Senate on Wednesday, said the emotions surrounding the debate over gun violence are unconducive to policymaking.

“It’s dangerous to do any type of policy in an emotional moment,” Begich said, as quoted by the New York Times. “Because human emotions then drive the decision. Everyone’s all worked up. That’s not enough.”

Begich was one of four red state Democratic senators to vote against the proposal. He will be up for re-election next year.

Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/begich-explains-background-check-no-vote-we-shouldnt

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Reply Begich Explains Background Check ‘No’ Vote: We Shouldn’t Legislate With Our Emotions (Original post)
DonViejo Apr 2013 OP
gaspee Apr 2013 #1
Sunlei Apr 2013 #2
Laurian Apr 2013 #3
villager Apr 2013 #22
Dollface Apr 2013 #38
geek tragedy Apr 2013 #4
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #21
bowens43 Apr 2013 #5
Macoy51 Apr 2013 #47
MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #6
onehandle Apr 2013 #7
Botany Apr 2013 #8
sinkingfeeling Apr 2013 #9
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #25
Sedona Apr 2013 #10
CarrieLynne Apr 2013 #11
Brigid Apr 2013 #12
kimbutgar Apr 2013 #13
benld74 Apr 2013 #14
Turbineguy Apr 2013 #15
L0oniX Apr 2013 #16
neverforget Apr 2013 #17
Orsino Apr 2013 #18
PatrynXX Apr 2013 #19
drm604 Apr 2013 #20
Arkana Apr 2013 #32
adieu Apr 2013 #23
Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #34
uh clem Apr 2013 #24
d_b Apr 2013 #26
SunSeeker Apr 2013 #27
lark Apr 2013 #28
earthside Apr 2013 #29
pampango Apr 2013 #30
Arkana Apr 2013 #31
blackspade Apr 2013 #33
dhill926 Apr 2013 #35
DallasNE Apr 2013 #36
VA_Jill Apr 2013 #37
Ash_F Apr 2013 #39
smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #40
ncteechur Apr 2013 #41
YvonneCa Apr 2013 #42
Nihil Apr 2013 #43
bemildred Apr 2013 #44
demwing Apr 2013 #45
Evasporque Apr 2013 #46
Politicub Apr 2013 #48
DonViejo Apr 2013 #49

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:06 PM

1. Asshole

So, it's only emotional people who see a problem and want it fixed? Who ever thought common sense was an emotion? And you know who doesn't have emotions? Psychopaths.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:06 PM

2. ALL gun buyers should have a criminal background check. Simple as that to me.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:06 PM

3. He won't vote on emotion because he doesn't have a heart.

Fuck him.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:43 PM

22. +1

n/t

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Response to Laurian (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:49 PM

38. Can't allow compassion to get in the way of his fundraising. After all, there's power to be had.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:09 PM

4. Fucking asshole. I liked Ted Stevens better. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:41 PM

21. Uh, I don't you would have gotten a different result with Stevens

But yeah, fucking asshole.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:10 PM

5. then lets go on facts

the number of Americans that die from gun violence in the US every year FAR exceeds the number that died in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.


Now BAN THE FUCKING THINGS YOU IDIOT!!!!!

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:51 PM

47. Ban Unnecessary Wars??

 

You want to ban unnecessary wars??? I am ok with that.


Macoy

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:10 PM

6. No, *you* legislate with your big open pocketbook and your miniscule tackle

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:11 PM

7. Ass. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:13 PM

8. Mark are you now feeling some heat for your shameful vote?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:14 PM

9. Was he around under GWB? Did he vote for the 'gut-reaction' Patriot Act?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:46 PM

25. No, he is new. Nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:22 PM

11. what about drug and alchohol testing...or something?

I support the right to own a gun, by RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE....but of course, we need to be careful....its a killing machine FFS

my husband and I bought a glock 45 for home protection. However, when he got drunk, (often) he felt the need to wander around the house with it in his pocket (Billy BadAss)....one day I went down to the garage to do laundry and found it pointed in my face because he was drunk and thought I was an intruder...after I left him (2 weeks later)....and old roommate broke into the house and stole a bunch of stuff....he wasnt there to protect the home.....a few weeks lafter that he had picked up the gun and pulled the trigger to make sure it was empty, and it wasnt...he shot a hole thru the bedroom.....

so....two damn close calls and when someone did break in.....it didnt help a thing....

Although my normally responsible ex-husband had every legal right to own a gun and did so legally.....I personally dont think he should be allowed to own one.....hes a tragedy waiting to happen....

perhaps we should drug and alchohol test people before they buy, or something....to keep guns out of the hands of irresponsible people.....

Another Example...Someone who gives an 11-year old an AR-15 to take to a rally at a government building - should have their rights to bear arms revoked...or at least suspended...or stripped of all their weapons...something...I dunno....

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:24 PM

12. Fine, asshole . . .

YOU go visit the grieving family of the next kid who gets killed with a gun by some psycho who should never have had one, and tell them not to be "emotional."

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:25 PM

13. He only cares about his re-election

If it wasn't Alaska I'd say vote him out but we need that 60 vote threshold in 2014 to move this country forward. Too bad there's not any other good Democratic candidates to run against him.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:29 PM

14. Said the NRA bought and paid for harlot!

“It’s dangerous to do any type of policy in an emotional moment,” Begich said, as quoted by the New York Times. “Because human emotions then drive the decision. Everyone’s all worked up. That’s not enough.”

I need my job in Arkansas so I did a no vote.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:35 PM

15. Yes,

we should do it calmly and unemotionally like most killings....

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:35 PM

16. Really??? Well WTF happened with 911 then??? So its bad now but good then??

I agree that making decisions while under emotional duress is not a good idea but I don't think that sociopath was having any emotions.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:37 PM

17. NRA Shill

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:39 PM

18. "We should legislate only with the NRA's emotions." n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:39 PM

19. yep dangerous times to do things with emotion. which is what he did

became a coward to the angry minority

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:40 PM

20. Senator Begich,

So we shouldn't consider any legislation that anybody feels any emotion about? Are you proposing that if there are grieving parents involved, a bill should be shelved?

Should we consider the actual merits of a bill or should we just look at how much emotion surrounds it and dismiss it if we believe there's too much?

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Response to drm604 (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:41 PM

32. BEEP BOOP I AM SENATOR TK-421

WHAT IS THIS THING YOU HU-MANS CALL EMOTION

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:43 PM

23. I agree we shouldn't legislate with our emotions

but the piece of legislation up for a vote was crafted with rational heads, providing clear solutions to a nuisance problem (guns). The bill was not emotion. The bill was crafted with clear ideas of what will help mitigate the unnecessary slaughter of american lives.

It's no different than laws written to protect automobile passengers from death when driving an unsafe car. The emotion was used to raise the point. The legislation was crafted by clear heads to deal with the problem raised and amplified by the emotion.

By voting NO, Begich was, ironically, voting with his primal emotions. And by voting on the filibuster portion of the process, he's being a chicken. Go ahead and vote no on the bill if you have the balls, but let it go past filibuster.

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Response to adieu (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:05 PM

34. I also agree that we should not legislate from an emotional place

But the background checks are common sense. Perhaps it will pass down the road but I doubt it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:45 PM

24. Lame excuse...

...for a cowardly act.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:49 PM

26. sent an email to his office

he lost my vote.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 12:54 PM

27. But your "no" vote was indeed based on emotions, Begich: FEAR and GREED. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:16 PM

28. F*ck him and his little dog too!

OK, I didn't mean it about the dog, he's innocent. Begich however is a turd and I pledge to you I will donate to any Dem brave enough to go against this jerk in a primary.

Haven't found out who the 3 other traitors are, but same thing goes with them. This is just vile and disgusting.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:27 PM

29. What would Begich have done on December 8, 1941?

Would he have voted 'no' to declare war on Japan since Americans were "all worked up" over the bombing of Pearl Harbor?

Sorry, I like Begich, but he is lying about his reasons for voting 'no' on the background checks amendment.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:35 PM

30. I think he means: "We should legislate based on money, not emotions." n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:40 PM

31. Yeah, fuck Mark Begich. Like forever.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 01:47 PM

33. logic fail.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 02:19 PM

35. what a dickweed....

and stop asking for money. Ya ain't getting any....

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:11 PM

36. A Closed Mind Is Unconducive To Policymaking

And isn't a closed mind just a different example of an emotional decision making process. His own words then describe what he attributes to others when they actually reflect his own emotion. Frankly, I find it indefensible to support background checks at places like Wal-Mart but refuse to allow a vote to have the identical background check on internet sales. That is not emotional, that is common sense and the same cannot be said concerning Begich's worked up, emotional outburst here.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:19 PM

37. It's "EMOTIONAL"

to be for background checks? In what alternate universe?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 05:51 PM

39. That is not an explanation. /nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 07:12 PM

40. Let me guess, he is Sarah Palin's best hunting buddy.

Asshole.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 09:10 PM

41. Well, Mr. Begich, you certainly aren't legislating with any spine or nuts.

So how, Mr. Begich, you worthless cowardly fucking piece of shit, how in fact do you legislate?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2013, 10:12 PM

42. How about we legislate with our integrity...

...and empathy toward others? These Senators were selfish COWARDS...period.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:23 AM

43. Greed is an emotion. Unfortunately, you legislated in accordance with it.

Doesn't matter what letter is after the name when the incentive is identical.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:12 AM

44. Yeah, we are all nervous women, aren't we?

Telling us to fuck off in a way he thinks is more polite.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:10 AM

45. I never want to hear that this doof voted for any military deployment

in response to any act of aggression.

After all, that would be an emotional time, and we can't legislate war while we're upset over being attacked!

!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 09:13 AM

46. Wait until they find that the Marathon bombers bought weapons legally....with no background check.

If that happens these fools will all be voted out of office if they don't flip flop real fast.

The NRA is probably right now trying suppress any info on how the boston bombers got all the weapons they used last night against police.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:38 PM

48. He can go to hell

I'm over turncoat deems like this guy.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2013, 04:41 PM

49. Begich now has his rationale for voting against immigration reform....

the Marathon bombs

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