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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:53 PM

President Obama hails Thatcher as "great champion of freedom."

Source: The Guardian

Barack Obama led tributes from the United States to the former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, whose death on Friday led to an outpouring of remembrances that went well beyond normal courtesies.

Obama described Thatcher as "one of the great champions of freedom and liberty" and a true friend to the US. Former president George HW Bush and the Republican House speaker John Boehner also paid generous tributes.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-dies-tributes-obama



Are you bloody kidding me, Mr. President??

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Reply President Obama hails Thatcher as "great champion of freedom." (Original post)
Aquavit Apr 2013 OP
Myrina Apr 2013 #1
awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #48
Cleita Apr 2013 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #3
Liberalynn Apr 2013 #50
byeya Apr 2013 #74
Beacool Apr 2013 #4
backscatter712 Apr 2013 #8
BeerIsClear Apr 2013 #29
rwsanders Apr 2013 #31
mac56 Apr 2013 #32
Carolina Apr 2013 #65
tavalon Apr 2013 #113
City Lights Apr 2013 #125
raccoon Apr 2013 #127
Ken Burch Apr 2013 #70
Doctor_J Apr 2013 #77
Beacool Apr 2013 #88
Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #105
Hugabear Apr 2013 #115
BeerIsClear Apr 2013 #123
Zoeisright Apr 2013 #133
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KoKo Apr 2013 #56
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markpkessinger Apr 2013 #83
Beacool Apr 2013 #89
carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #5
Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #6
SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #10
whathehell Apr 2013 #14
Ken Burch Apr 2013 #68
Blue Owl Apr 2013 #7
valerief Apr 2013 #9
leveymg Apr 2013 #11
firenewt Apr 2013 #58
Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #12
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #13
dsc Apr 2013 #15
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #33
dsc Apr 2013 #36
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devilgrrl Apr 2013 #30
SunSeeker Apr 2013 #61
Ken Burch Apr 2013 #72
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #78
Ken Burch Apr 2013 #84
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #85
nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #128
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RetroLounge Apr 2013 #103
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RetroLounge Apr 2013 #108
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Aquavit Apr 2013 #49
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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:55 PM

1. Sigh ...

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Response to Myrina (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:51 PM

48. my thoughts exactly. nt

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:55 PM

2. Of course he would.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM

3. Oh my god.

Put it on with a trowel, why not, Mr. President?

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:58 PM

50. +1

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:40 PM

74. +2

 

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM

4. I know that he had to come out with a statement,

but saying that she was "great champion of freedom" is a huge stretch.

Gee...........

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Response to Beacool (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:03 PM

8. That's the thing - he has to play nice - that's expected from the President.

I don't...

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Response to Beacool (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM

29. Well she did

participate heavily in bringing down the Soviet Union. That would make her pretty strong in the way of championing freedom.

Just sayin'

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:25 PM

31. I don't buy this one for her or St. Ronnie...

To me that really diminishes the role of all the people who risked thier lives for freedom in those countries.

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:27 PM

32. No. She didn't.

She and Ronnie were just roosters, taking credit for the sunrise.

Just sayin'

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Response to mac56 (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:02 PM

65. exactly!

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Response to mac56 (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:58 AM

113. Thank you so much for saying that!

Never were truer words typed.

Hell, if any nation gets any credit, it should be Afghanistan. Yeah, the same country that destroyed England's empiric aspirations and pulled the USSR into an unwinnable war and is likely to take down a third Empire if we don't buy a clue.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:06 PM

125. Perfect!

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Response to mac56 (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:54 PM

127. That one's a keeper--"roosters taking credit for the sunrise." nt

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:27 PM

70. Bullshit. Gorbachev and the people of Eastern Europe and Russia did that.

It wasn't our business to bring down the Soviet Union anyway. It was just another country, for God's sakes, and we were always being paranoid and silly to act like it was the only place on the planet that mattered.

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:47 PM

77. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

stop, you're killing me. Please take it to freeperville

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:46 PM

88. The Soviet Union was collapsing on its own.

Thatcher and Reagan may have coaxed it along, but it was Gorbachev and the people of Eastern Europe who were ready for a change. In other words, the Soviet Union would have collapsed without these two neocon's help.

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:47 PM

105. hahahahaha

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:59 AM

115. Interesting...

Interesting how you crawled out of whatever hole you live under to defend someone as vile and wretched as Margaret Thatcher.

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Response to BeerIsClear (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:39 PM

133. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Haven't studied history much, have ya, sparky?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:28 PM

42. that is pretty benign. he didn't say she was a great economic force for good.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:51 PM

56. She was a "Champion of Freedom & Liberty" for whom, though???

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Response to KoKo (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:26 PM

82. For the proper people, the better sort, the ones who matter. If you weren't riff-raff, she'd approve

Filthy little buggers in the 47%, thinking they can pay less in taxes that the wealthy and still get the same weight given to their filthy little votes. Ew. After all, it was the Americans who came up with the whole no taxation without representation business. Shouldn't the reverse be true. If you want a vote the equal of a rich man, you'd bloody well better be willing to fork over the levies of a rich man for the privilege, eh what?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:27 PM

83. He could have said . . .

Last edited Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 PM - Edit history (1)

"Baroness Thatcher was a great and effective champion of the causes for which she stood." It's perfectly respectful, while remaining utterly neutral on the question of whether the things she stood for were good or bad.

It's rather like a comment I use when I know a person is expecting me to say something positive about something I don't necessarily like or agree with: "It's an excellent example of its kind."

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #83)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:47 PM

89. I got to remember that phrase.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:58 PM

5. nothing shocks me

anymore, to quote one of DU's greats of a decade ago

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:01 PM

6. Relax. It's all politics.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:04 PM

10. Relaxing is the hard part. Democracy is hanging by a thread thx in part to Reagan & Thatcher.

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Response to SleeplessinSoCal (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:07 PM

14. +10 n/t

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:25 PM

68. There's no possible political reason to do this.

Obama has nothing to gain by kissing the ass of the most vile, destructive, life-crushing monster in British political history.

And "freedom" was never in danger during Thatcher's era, anyway. There was no chance of a global Soviet takeover, and there never really had been.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:02 PM

7. Getting warmed up for the GWB Library grand opening

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:03 PM

9. Great champion of freedom for the .001%, most certainly. They can do

whatever they damn well please.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:04 PM

11. One more reason this week to reassess Mr. Obama.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:58 PM

58. Sadly, I've come to the same conclusion.

 

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:05 PM

12. It's your job as a world leader to say what is expected of you...

 

And make empty apologies when someone's feelings are hurt when you step out of line.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:06 PM

13. And I was called a "RW Shitstain" for pointing out that she didn't start an illegal war.

So what does that make President Obama?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:08 PM

15. no she merely advocated very loudly for that war

just saying.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:37 PM

36. I was actually refering to Iraq

but I had no idea they had nukes on those ships.

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Response to dsc (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:50 PM

39. Maggie was trying to prove she was tough to her own base.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:55 PM

61. LOL. nt

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:29 PM

72. How can anyone who posts as "Nye Bevan" use a picture of Winston Fucking Churchill as his icon?

Nye Bevan was a left-wing Welsh socialist. He HATED Churchill and Churchill's entire imperialist view of life.

If you're going to use Bevan's name, you have an obligation to understand his life and his values and to RESPECT them.

Nye Bevan isn't just a random name...it means something.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:00 PM

78. I picked "Nye Bevan" because of his role in setting up the NHS,

to demonstrate my support for universal healthcare.

And I just like Winston Churchill.

I didn't see that personal dislike between my username and my avatar would present much of a problem.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:39 PM

84. I guess it always surprises me to see the name you post under

attached to posts that mainly seem to bash the Left, rather than attack the Right.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:04 PM

85. The irony is, I almost certainly support more of President Obama's policies than you do.

Earlier today someone accused me of being a "right-wing shitstain". When I pointed out that I supported the ACA (President Obama's signature achievement) the response derided this as "corporate friendly legislation". Then I pointed out that I was in favor of legalizing pot. The response was that "there are plenty of pot smoking republicans". Then I pointed out that I was in favor of marriage equality long before Obama was. And of course I got "but many conservatives support same-sex marriage".

I think all this is symptomatic of a bit of a conundrum for those here who believe that Obama is too much of a centrist. When people like me who support all or most of Obama's positions are derided as "right-wing shitstains", what is really being expressed is anger and frustration at President Obama. A post calling Obama a "right-wing shitstain" would almost certainly be hidden; it's much safer to hurl insults at someone like me who mostly supports Obama. It's quite interesting.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:40 PM

128. I don't always agree with you. But you shouldn't let people bully you here.

And I would tell anyone else the same thing.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:46 PM

130. I support a lot of Obama's policies, it's just that I wish he'd go further.

And my big complaint with him these days is that, on "national security" issues, he's sometimes to the right of Kissinger. I mean, Obama was ok with our troops killing innocent, unarmed journalists in Iraq(that's one of the things Bradley Manning brought to light, and one of the big reasons that poor. harmless kid is being so viciously persecuted by a supposedly "liberal" administration.)

I don't think anybody on this board should be called a shitstain.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:39 PM

103. seems accurate.



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #103)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:53 PM

106. You AGAIN?

Obsessed much?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #106)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:54 PM

108. Public discussion board

Deal with it.



RL

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:28 AM

110. President Obama didn't start any illegal wars

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:08 PM

16. I'm pretty sure a current head of state has to be respectful to a deceased former head of state . .

. . . no matter how ruthlessly shitty she was to the workers and industries of that state or how much she courted dictators or demented puppets disguised as presidents.

Write this off as "decorum".

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:03 PM

52. Really?

 

Tell that to the people of Venezuela.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:14 PM

92. +1

n/t

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:22 PM

63. Just a point that's not intuitive. The British Prime Minister is the Chief Executive but is not

their Head of State. We are use to the same individual being both but that's not the norm worldwide. The British Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II. She does not exercise Chief Executive Powers and her job is primarily ceremonial, including "Commander in Chief" of their Armed Forces.

Under our Constitution, the President is the "'real" Commander in Chief.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:09 PM

17. In all seriousness, WTF else could he have said?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:09 PM

18. Something not quite as false?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:10 PM

19. Just about anything else?

"Good" would have sufficed, when he learned of her passing.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:12 PM

21. How about. "She Was Prime Minster Of the Uk. Some people will miss her. Thank you."

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:14 PM

22. Read his statement about Chavez. nt

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Response to alsame (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:21 PM

25. England is one of our top 3 allies, so the situation is just a *little* different...

I'm not saying I agree with the president's assessment, or that he didn't pile the praise a little too high, but posters in this thread thinking Obama is going to start picking apart Thatcher's legacy (that's our job), or damning her with faint praise before she's even in the ground should take a look at how presidential decorum operates...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM

27. My point is that you can express

condolences diplomatically without saying anything complimentary, if you so choose.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:14 PM

23. She was not a "great champion of freedom" so for starters he could have refrained

from saying that. He could have merely expressed his condolences to the family and left it at that.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:31 PM

44. He's also called her "a true friend" of the US.

Mr. President, you just need to be quiet.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:13 AM

120. Great example in post 116

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:12 PM

20. I think Obama now feels liberated to show himself as truly a "centrist Republican".

"Freedom and liberty" - how Republican of him.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:16 PM

24. *facepalm*

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:23 PM

28. What a fucking stupid thing to say...

...look I know he has to do the whole 'Statesman' thing, but Maggie was a power-hungry b*tch that hurt millions of people...Also, not sure how you square that comment with her support of the dictator Pinochet...he didn't offer much in the way of freedom or liberty...

Mr President, sometimes it's okay not just not say anything at all..

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:30 PM

34. Let the corpse-f**cking begin!

I'm thinking of fasting for the next week because the piling on of Maggot Thatcher's attributes is gonna make it hard to keep my food down.

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Response to pink-o (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:33 PM

35. And the media has already begun to use this as

an excuse to once again praise his holiness St Ronald of Reagan.

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Response to alsame (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:01 PM

51. Argh and Nat Geo is having an "80s week" or something

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:39 PM

37. The prisoners that were locked up in the H-block in No. Ireland

would not agree if any of them happen to still be alive.

Maggie hated the Irish and she never tried to hide this fact.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:45 PM

38. Freedom for what? Freedom for the elite to garner wealth on the backs of the working class?

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 02:51 PM

40. Freedom from lots of things!

Freedom from having a good job, if you're a union member.

Freedom from a decent lunch, if you're a school child.

Freedom from freedom, if you happen to have been born in Northern Ireland.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:10 PM

55. Yup. The same "freedoms" all Right Wingers care about: "freedom" of the wealthy and powerful to

acquire more wealth and power.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:44 PM

75. Freedom to starve for what you believe in

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:24 PM

41. Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were the leaders of the "Greed is Good" political movement...

in the 1980's enacting laws that gave companies tax breaks to relocate their businesses ultimately decimating domestic manufacturing and leading to the rise of outsourcing that we continue to suffer from today.
So when right wing idiots say "Corporations are people" and "Tax breaks for the rich trickle down" they are repeating the long sewn seeds of bullshit originally spewed by these two morons that they worship even though they fucked up two countries economies for decades.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:54 PM

57. Well...our President has always admired Reagan...

so...there we have it. Reagan and Thatcher were "best buddies"....so I guess it follows that he might have a high opinion of Thatcher.

In this case the Repugs didn't make him do it...He chose to say Thatcher was a "A Champion of Freedom" all on his own. Disappointing.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:14 PM

80. I think he admires their success as "politicians" at heart. Being elected and re-elected is a skill

that all politicians admire about each other.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:32 PM

86. Um maybe a speech writer .. we don't know for sure. He had to say something PC.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:54 PM

90. Oh yeah, who can forget that he compared Ronnie favorably over Bill Clinton.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:31 PM

43. meh, she was an important leader of an important ally

No matter how shitty said leader was, the President isn't going to insult an important ally. It's politics. Nothing more.

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Response to charlie and algernon (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:32 PM

45. He could have just left it as "the former PM of the UK died today, condolences to her family." n/t

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Response to Aquavit (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:42 PM

47. it's still needlessly creating conflict

If he just says that then people ask "that's it?"

So he gives the required flowery language and everyone moves on with their day.

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Response to charlie and algernon (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:57 PM

62. +1

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:38 PM

46. If Obama said nothing...

DUers would say he was being overly partisan. If he said something negative, DUers would say he's being disrespectful to her and her family. Everything he does is wrong.

DUers attack this man just as much as the Freepers do now. You would never see them putting down one of their own like this.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:55 PM

49. Saying nothing is better than saying untruthful things

And that's exactly what the President is doing here. She was flatly *not* a champion for freedom, period. I would much rather he just say "the former PM of the United Kingdom has died, and I give my condolences to her family" than make up some favorable non-truth about her. What she's done with her life had very real, very bad effects on her own people and it's not ok to re-write her history in a more favorable way just because it is seen by a few as the "respectful" thing to do.

Also, not especially appreciating the comparison to Freepers here. The wonderful thing about the people on the left is that we think for ourselves and will rightly call out our own when they are wrong. Freepers just mindlessly bleat whatever they're told to bleat, no matter how obviously untrue or malicious it might be.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:43 PM

60. +1 n/t

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:30 AM

111. Exactly

If he danced on her grave, it would be the same thing. How dare he do that to a world leader? It makes us look bad.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:08 PM

53. Presidential equivalent of a Stepford Wife.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:10 PM

54. What did you expect?

 

He's kissing ass to one of his neo liberal idols.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:00 PM

59. Freedom? Ask any unemployed miner in the UK how much "freedom" Mag created

Ask any Briton of colour who was harassed under the all-but-white supremacist immigration and policing policies Thatcher imposed(and that "New Labour" to its eternal disgrace, needlessly continued).

Ask any grieving British parent whose LGBT child committed suicide in the Eighties because the school counsellors were forbidden to do anything to reassure that child that she or he was "normal" or "all right" even though they'd been born LGBT, as a result of that miserable harridan's hateful "Section 28" policy forbidding school or public mental health authorities from treating LGBT people with compassion and understanding how much "freedom" the Iron Lady allowed THEIR child to have a life.

Ask anyone who spent years sleeping rough on the streets of London, Liverpool, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester or any other large UK city due to Mag The Knife's brutal cuts in housing benefit how much "freedom" they had...if you can find any who didn't die of pneumonia.

Ask anyone in that era who protested for peace or picketed in defense of the rights of working people to a decent wage, decent working conditions and a life built on dignity and respect how much "freedom" they were given to carry on their legitimate and honourable campaigns for human decency.

Ask any Traveller who was hounded from town to town by brutal Tory local councils how much "freedom" they had under Thatcherism.

Ask. I DARE you.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:45 PM

64. She's just his type.

 

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:06 PM

66. oh well......

it`s obvious he lives in a world that only he sees.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:11 PM

67. very sad

I now have the same reactions to Obama that I did to Bush:

Swearing at the TV
Echoing my congresscritter's 'You lie' exclamation
Hitting the mute or off buttons

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:26 PM

69. unless you were a Chilean

in that case, Maggie's idea of 'freedom' was defending the mass murdering dictator and helping escape justice for his crimes

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:54 PM

107. Or South African

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:28 PM

71. Pinochet, too?



People of Quality, most un-Democratic.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #71)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:01 PM

91. That bastard better be in Hell!!!!!!!!!!

He died at 91. Unfortunately, that was a privilege denied to Salvador Allende and thousands of his supporters.

Hey Maggie, say hello to Augusto.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #91)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:30 PM

93. Someone saw him at the bookstore...



General Pinochet at the Bookstore

Santiago, Chile, July 2004

The general’s limo parked at the corner of San Diego street
and his bodyguard escorted him to the bookstore
called La Oportunidad, so he could browse
for rare works of history.

There were no bloody fingerprints left on the pages.
No books turned to ash at his touch.
He did not track the soil of mass graves on his shoes,
nor did his eyes glow red with a demon’s heat.

Worse: His hands were scrubbed, and his eyes were blue,
and the dementia that raged in his head like a demon,
making the general’s trial impossible, had disappeared.

Desaparecido: like thousands dead but not dead,
as the crowd reminded the general,
gathered outside the bookstore to jeer
when he scurried away with his bodyguards,
so much smaller in person.

-- Martín Espada

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Response to Octafish (Reply #93)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:09 PM

100. Thank you, I had never seen that.

Pinochet was vile.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:37 PM

73. the whole rest of the world disagrees

I'm getting kind of tired of listening to the president recite Republican talking points every single day

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:45 PM

76. He was just being nice.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:13 PM

79. She'd be proud of him

Even Ronnie didn't have the brass ones to propose cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

And the way he changed the subject to gun control when everybody started bitching...she would have thought that was masterful.

I don't know why republicans hate the man so much, he's just doing what they always want to do, but he's so much better at it.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:22 PM

81. Well, what do you expect?

I think he still thinks he can get them to like him. I'm glad he's president, but there's a touch of masochist to this man.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 PM

94. I agree and I think Clinton has a touch of masochist in him too

maybe we liberal-progressive democrats are too eager to please because we want justice , peace and freedom so much it hurts .

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:42 PM

87. It's meaningless to us, whatever Obama says about Thatcher the day after she died.

Our leader is expected to be classy and say something nice.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:45 PM

95. Obama is a diplomat.

I wish he had the wit and courage of Thatcher and could put his opponents in their places.
Thatcher was no placater.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:52 PM

96. Oh, brother.

Oh, well, the Republicans love her.

Hope for Change!

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:58 PM

97. Obama drooled all over daddy Bush, too.

And Reagan.

His luminaries.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:00 PM

98. I've gotta agree with the President on this one.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:02 PM

99. WTF? What fucking freedom and liberty? Oh, you mean freedom for the 1% to rob the country

blind? THAT freedom and liberty?

Why thank you, Sir! At least I know who's side you are on, without a doubt now.



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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:16 PM

101. I Think This Likely Will Be A Bad Week For Obama



...this comment though expected and social security cuts he has a lot of tomatoes to dodge.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:35 PM

102. Some of you people are being silly

The President of the US is not like the Prime minister of UK. He is also the Head of State.

Its the job of the head of state to say bullshit stuff like this. She was the leader of UK- he has to say something and it had to be nice.

I bet that its not how he really feels. I am sure if the timing wasn't so bad he would have quite a few bad things to say about her. Now is not the time.

The UK is one of our strongest allies and when something like this happens it is expected that you say nice things. You people who want to "re-evaluate" the president over this have gone off the deep end.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:42 PM

104. This place gets dumber every day

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #104)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 09:18 AM

118. Exactly. Obama = BAD! BAD! BAD! All day long! it's ridiculous. Trashing thread.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:27 AM

109. If he called her an asshole and danced on her grave

It would be the same thing. Oh Mr. President how unprofessional. Come on, you know that's how you'd play it. You'd be shocked at his dissing a world leader.



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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 12:54 AM

112. The guy liked Reagan too,

so his bar isn't set all that high.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:10 AM

114. In the words of George Carlin...

"It's a big club and you ain't in it."

The elite have more in common with each other than with the rest of the world. They care more about that similarity than mere political differences.

Anyone who says that Thatcher is a "great champion of freedom" needs their head examined. There I said it.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:00 AM

116. That was NOT being PC

Political correctness would entail not hurting the feelings of millions of people, no?
Ask the people in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland what Maggie did for them.
Ask the Chileans, the black South Africans

This is adding insult to injury, plain and simple. And completely needlessly so.
If you want to say something respectful about miss 'there is no such thing as society'...

Then say something like 'she always was true to her convictions and committed to lead Britain steadfastly as our most valued ally'... or something like that.

But freedom and liberty? That's just plain insulting.

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Response to Celefin (Reply #116)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 10:10 AM

119. Great example of the difference of paying respects and of actually praising her

And praising her is what he did and, I agree, it's insulting to all those who suffered so greatly under her policies.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:57 AM

117. Well, he can't piss on her grave like us.

He's a world leader--part of the job is being magnanimous.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:38 PM

121. Of course he would since he admires Reagan so much

This shines just another light on what Obama considers being a "great champion of freedom and liberty" as well as his views on "freedom and liberty".

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 01:43 PM

122. it's what i would expect from him, I am sure he admired her greatly! nt

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:05 PM

124. Good grief!

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 02:08 PM

126. He seems determined to go off the rails with a vengeance, in this second term...

n/t

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:42 PM

129. You can say it's politics, but this goes beyond what was necessary for him.

I guess it shows you the hazards of holding to the "center" when the "center" is so skewed to the right.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 05:59 PM

131. Sure. People were liberated right out of their jobs.

Then they had plenty of freedom.

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Response to Aquavit (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 07:32 PM

132. Politics as usual.

I don't know why I expect better of him.

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