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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:57 AM

Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies

Source: BBC

Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."

Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.

She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155



Former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has died from a stroke

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Bosonic Apr 2013 OP
BumRushDaShow Apr 2013 #1
pipoman Apr 2013 #2
Champion Jack Apr 2013 #3
Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2013 #78
DainBramaged Apr 2013 #4
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #5
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #7
KatyMan Apr 2013 #18
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #20
KatyMan Apr 2013 #22
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #24
KatyMan Apr 2013 #25
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #28
BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #128
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #42
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #43
CreekDog Apr 2013 #100
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In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #110
CreekDog Apr 2013 #121
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #122
CreekDog Apr 2013 #99
pangaia Apr 2013 #36
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #37
pangaia Apr 2013 #40
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #61
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #62
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #63
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #89
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #102
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #114
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #115
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #66
Beacool Apr 2013 #79
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #85
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #82
LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #97
devilgrrl Apr 2013 #52
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #53
devilgrrl Apr 2013 #54
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #56
devilgrrl Apr 2013 #57
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #64
LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #92
Beacool Apr 2013 #59
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #60
Beacool Apr 2013 #67
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Beacool Apr 2013 #104
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Beacool Apr 2013 #109
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #88
PolitFreak Apr 2013 #75
Name removed Apr 2013 #113
LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #125
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amuse bouche Apr 2013 #12
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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:03 AM

1. K&R

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:06 AM

3. Roger Ebert, Andy Johns, Les Blank.....

It's one of those weeks

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:00 AM

78. Don't forget Milo O'Shea

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:07 AM

4. Just heard

go gently into the night Prime Minister

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:11 AM

5. RIP Mrs Thatcher. Obviously I did not agree with all of her policies,

but give her credit for being the first female Prime Minister. Also, excellent job with the Falklands war.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:24 AM

7. May she rest in peace.

No one is perfect. She did what she could.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:49 AM

18. Did what she could???

to ruin Britain?? Yes, she did that.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:51 AM

20. Do you honestly think that was her desire?

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:53 AM

22. Yes n/t.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:59 AM

24. Really

I was only thinking of her as a human being.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:00 AM

25. as was I.

Not all human beings are good people. Some are evil.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:07 AM

28. I know that better than anyone.

As a survivor, I can show compassion to many but not all.

I am sorry for your troubles in life that her actions cause you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:51 PM

128. ..

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:29 AM

42. Her desire was to enrich the people who bought her

and in that, she succeeded brilliantly.

She may have deluded herself into believing that serving the rich was serving Britain, but her legacy of austerity and dismantling of the social safety net lives on, to the great suffering of millions.

My condolences to her family, but her actions were self-serving and corrosive to society.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:32 AM

43. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I truly am sorry for the ones she hurt.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:28 PM

100. who cares?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #100)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:04 PM

110. .

Not you. Obviously.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #110)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:29 PM

121. Look, I understand the need to find some good in a person who has passed away

I actually share that desire.

But I can look for redeeming qualities in Thatcher but her governance and policies is not where I'd look because I find them abhorrent.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #121)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:32 PM

122. Well, I learned quite a bit today that I honestly didn't know before.

So ... now I do agree with you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

99. to get rid of England's safety net and health care system

she did what she could.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:19 AM

36. Excellent job with the Falklands war! I must disagree.

Can I suggest you may wish to do a little research into that insane little event.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:22 AM

37. An Argentinian military dictatorship decided to invade British territory,

and got their asses handed to them. As a result of which Mrs Thatcher was re-elected in a landslide victory.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:27 AM

40. Sort of true.

But maybe dig a little deeper--

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 AM

61. And Britain's claim over the Falklands was

based on what legal principle? Oh yeah, "right of conquest". Pretty much the same reason they are holding on to Northern Ireland.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:36 AM

62. Should all non-native Americans be forced to leave the USA?

If not, why not?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 AM

63. Well, yes actually,

unless we are willing to pay the remaining indigenous tribes the fair market value of the land we stole.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:25 AM

89. There's no one to pay in regards to the Falklands

There are no indigenous inhabitants.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:41 PM

102. Then they can pay the Argentine government

And end the matter.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #102)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:28 PM

114. Pre-1982 maybe that'd be a reasonable suggestion

However after seizing them by military force I'm just going to say fuck Argentina in regards to them. They've lost any moral standindg they ever might've had (which I'll dispute). The inhabitants of the Falklands have clearly shown they want to be British and want Argentina to fuck off.

Besides thanks to that the military junta in Argentina was toppled. That alone is something that I consider far more important than whoever governs those islands.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #114)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:34 PM

115. Somebody needs to be the adult

Yeah, Argentina was wrong to seize the islands, but the question is, does Britain want to end the matter, or continue to leave it dangling? Britain's imperial sins are legion, and it, along with the U.S., do not have clean hands as far as Argentina's military junta is concerned. At this point it is hard to find ANY nation with moral standing, so isn't it time for some of the worst offenders to start behaving morally?

Britain certainly needs to leave Northern Ireland, yet still refuses. At least by paying for the Falklands it would finally have an unambiguous claim.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:42 AM

66. And what's Argentina's based on?

The Brits do have one solid justification for holding the Falklands, it's quite obvious who the residents of the islands support and want to be governed by.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:03 AM

79. The British residents of Las Malvinas wouldn't have even been there

if Britain hadn't taken the islands from Argentina in the mid 19th century. The British were as bad as the Spanish, vultures that took whatever they wanted due to their military power. Look at how the British treated the people of Ireland and India. They committed genocide with impunity for centuries.

As for the Spaniards, they decimated every native tribe that they found in their path (Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc.)

A pox on their heads!!!!



BTW, I'm referring to these countries' governments. I have nothing against the people of Spain (heck, I have family there) or Britain.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:17 AM

85. There have been lots of other territory changes in the last 150 years

Most make no sense to rectify because the current population wouldn't approve. At least on the Falklands there was no genocide because there are no indigenous inhabitants. If you are going to propose rolling back every single territorial change in the last 150 years, there's going to be some far bigger ones than the Falklands.

And that's not even getting started on the absurdity of effectively punishing the Islands' current inhabitants for something over a century old.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

82. Pretty much the same

But from what I read, the Falklands wasn't inhabited until the British (and later the French) established a colony in the 18th Century.

My personal view is that former imperialist nations should simply return land they stole from other people OR make fair restitution.

In the case of the Falklands, the inhabitants wish to remain in the British Commonwealth. Fine, then PAY Argentina a fair price for the islands and have them sign over the title.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:13 PM

97. While I have no sympathy for Galtieri et al...

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the whole thing might never have happened if our government, specifically John Nott the Defence Secretary, had not announced the withdrawal of our ships from the South Atlantic. People from the Navy warned at the time that this might give a signal to Argentina that it was safe to invade. And their warnings were proved right. The invasion probably wouldn't have happened with a bit of common sense and proper planning on the part of our Defence Department.

Anyway this could hardly outweigh all the harm she did at home. Incidentally a 'landslide victory' means 42.4% of the vote, and a lot of this was due to divisions and infighting on the left, rather than any positive achievement by Thatcher.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:06 AM

53. OK. I will self-delete the post.

Just kidding! Instead, I will post another picture of Billy Bragg's mansion:

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:15 AM

56. If she was alive today, I wonder whether she would be advocating "chained CPI" (nt)

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