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Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:35 PM

South Dakota Law Will Allow Guns in Classrooms

Source: NYT

Gov. Dennis Daugaard of South Dakota on Friday signed into law a bill that would allow teachers to carry guns in the classroom.

While some other states have provisions in their gun laws that make it possible for teachers to be armed, South Dakota is believed to be the first state to pass a law that specifically allows teachers to carry firearms.

About two dozen states have proposed similar bills since the shootings in December at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., but all of them have stalled.

Supporters say that the measure signed by Mr. Daugaard, a Republican, is important in a rural state like South Dakota, where some schools are many miles away from emergency responders.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/us/south-dakota-gun-law-classrooms.html



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Reply South Dakota Law Will Allow Guns in Classrooms (Original post)
alp227 Mar 2013 OP
Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #1
olddad56 Mar 2013 #59
unblock Mar 2013 #2
Bay Boy Mar 2013 #4
unblock Mar 2013 #5
valerief Mar 2013 #28
RiverNoord Mar 2013 #42
Bay Boy Mar 2013 #47
Neoma Mar 2013 #50
RiverNoord Mar 2013 #60
Bay Boy Mar 2013 #3
russspeakeasy Mar 2013 #6
Bay Boy Mar 2013 #62
russspeakeasy Mar 2013 #65
donquijoterocket Mar 2013 #8
Aerows Mar 2013 #64
olddad56 Mar 2013 #10
Jenoch Mar 2013 #29
donquijoterocket Mar 2013 #11
noiretextatique Mar 2013 #12
apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #13
Nihil Mar 2013 #71
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #18
beevul Mar 2013 #19
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #20
beevul Mar 2013 #66
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #67
KamaAina Mar 2013 #21
Jenoch Mar 2013 #31
KamaAina Mar 2013 #41
Jenoch Mar 2013 #43
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #68
Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #22
mokawanis Mar 2013 #26
TheCowsCameHome Mar 2013 #57
Historic NY Mar 2013 #7
mainstreetonce Mar 2013 #9
ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #27
Historic NY Mar 2013 #36
ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #37
Historic NY Mar 2013 #38
ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #61
Blandocyte Mar 2013 #72
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CokeMachine Mar 2013 #24
alp227 Mar 2013 #30
CokeMachine Mar 2013 #44
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Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #52
AlbertCat Mar 2013 #15
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AlbertCat Mar 2013 #69
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Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #33
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Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2013 #35
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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:47 PM

1. What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:56 PM

59. why handguns, I think hand gernades would more of a deterent.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:05 PM

2. hmm, how to handle severely stressed out teachers with 30 maniacs tormenting them daily...

i know! give 'em gunz!

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Response to unblock (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:18 PM

4. If you truly feel that way you should...

...pull your kids out of school RIGHT NOW!

Serious, if you have that little respect for teachers, you should start homeschooling your children.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:23 PM

5. well i suppose you're entitled to misinterpret my post any way you care to.

i have nothing but respect for teachers, who have helped me in my own upbringing, and are currently helping mini-unblock in his.

i have further respect and sympathy for them as they have to handle stress from kids, parents, administrators, and at times, politicians, regulators, the media, etc.

i'm merely noting that in a sufficiently large population, some people won't handle stress with the grace and responsibility that the vast majority of teachers would.

that's not a sign of a lack of respect in any way.

omitting the "ly" from the end of "serious", now THAT's lack of respect for one's teachers /snark!

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:21 PM

28. I believe the poster has a justified lack of respect for guns, not teachers. nt

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:45 PM

42. That's some low-grade bullshit you're shoveling

I have a great deal of respect for teachers. My sister and brother-in-law are teachers, as are several of my closest friends. I have spoken with all of them since the calamity in Newtown, and, without exception, they all told me that allowing armed teachers would be a terrible idea.

Two friends, both teachers, told me that they would not allow their children to attend class with a teacher who is armed.

Teachers are people too - like everywhere else, some are not so particularly balanced at times, and most experience very trying times with students at times.

The incredible stupidity of directly blending firearms possession with classroom instruction is astounding. Period.

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Response to RiverNoord (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:13 AM

47. So these teachers who "aren't so particularly balanced"...

...are they like a ticking time bomb ready to go off at any time?

If so, what is preventing them from bringing a gun to school right now?

Nothing.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:32 AM

50. That's happened before.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:14 PM

60. Does anyone think that George Zimmerman

would have chased down Trayvon Martin and shot him if he wasn't aware of the Florida 'stand your ground' law? When the law endorses something stupid, there are always people who take it much too far.

I would like to know if anyone here endorses the idea of allowing anyone who wanted to exercise their 2nd amendment rights by carrying an AR-15 onto a passenger airliner to do so. Pretty stupid, isn't it? Who'd fly?

What makes schools different? Endorsing the carrying of firearms by teachers, who are, on a daily basis, in very close contact with children in an largely enclosed environment, an environment which is mandated by law for virtually all young people, is stupid. It's stupid on the face of it, and it's doubly stupid because common sense indicates that some teachers would end up going well beyond what was intended by the enactment of the law.

In fact, it's stupid that we're even discussing it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:15 PM

3. Isn't it uncomfortable walking around with your panties in a bunch all day?

Ever since concealed carry started to spread around the country people (like you) have said that 'blood will run in the streets'. And all these years they've been wrong.

Only a small percentage of teachers will ever take advantage of the ability to carry concealed in school but that small percentage just might discourage the next whack-o from even considering a rampage at a school.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:27 PM

6. Back to your comic books.

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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:56 PM

62. That's kind of freaky...

...I was just rummaging through some storage boxes laying around the house and found an old Superman comic of mine from the 1960s that I read. So to make you happy I'll look for some more and read them too.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #62)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 06:19 PM

65. Yeah, it is !

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:30 PM

8. and that rock

but that small percentage just might discourage the next whack-o from even considering a rampage at a school.
And that special rock I keep in my back yard has kept elephants away all these years. I've never seen one in my garden plot yet.

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Response to donquijoterocket (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:11 PM

64. I have one that keeps tigers away.

I haven't seen a tiger yet in my backyard, so obviously, it works

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:41 PM

10. whether teachers carry concealed weapons or not isn't going to prevent the next whacko.

the whacko will more than likely be carrying a semi automatic weapon. So what are you thinking, arm the teachers with semi automatic weapons also so that the teacher and the whacko can shot it out and the kids get killed in the crossfire?

I don't care if the teachers carry a concealed weapon or not, and it is possible that a teacher with a gun could prevent a shooting at a school, but not very probable.

If we, as a society have gotten to the place where teachers need to carry loaded guns in class, I'm about out of hope for this nation.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:50 PM

11. You'd need

To provide a direct quote with the source for that "blood in streets"statement. I've never heard anyone but wingnut gunners use it as a hyperbolic take on what they thought the more guns more potential for accidents and other violence meant. But since I know you can't do it just curl back up and dream your Wyatt earp dreams.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:58 PM

12. or they might accidentally shoot themselves or someone else

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:04 PM

13. "Lazarus, come forth!"

Someone's been rummaging around in their sock drawer.

Enjoy your, ummmm, stay.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:25 AM

71. For anyone who is missing the point ...

Bat boy's stats:
> Member since: Thu Jul 21, 2005, 06:43 PM
> Number of posts: 384
> Number of posts, last 90 days: 377

(Whoops ... that should actually read "Bay boy's stats" ... )

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:44 PM

18. 'blood will run in the streets'.














Well, to be fair it's not always in the street






Besides, it seems to me those who think we should live in a country where everyone needs to carry a gun everywhere they go, all because of some 18th century provision designed to stop the British when they come back (like they did in 1812) are the ones with their panties in a wad.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:27 PM

19. Which of those had anything to do with CCW? N/T

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Response to beevul (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:17 PM

20. Which of those had anything to do with CCW?

The ones that have to do with the lackadaisical attitude toward guns. (often demonstrated by disingenuous nitpicking while ignoring the big picture)

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 06:41 PM

66. And red herrings and disingenuous references to events unrelated to the discussion at hand...

Yeah, those are just fine.

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Response to beevul (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:18 PM

67. See?

I was right!

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:23 PM

21. I'm sure Adam Lanza took time to make sure that none of the teachers were armed

before he went up there. Maybe even before he killed his mom.

And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to show you, and it isn't the one that carries I-84 across the Housatonic River from Sandy Hook.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:35 PM

31. Lanza killed himself

when people with guns showed up at the school.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:42 PM

41. How many people? And with what type of guns?

You can't possibly be comparing carloads full of fully armed law enforcement officials to a handful of teachers with guns underneath their desks in cases labeled "OPEN ONLY IN CASE OF EMERGENCY", that they'd fired once in their lives, if that, can you?

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:19 AM

43. No, I am not.

I do not understand how you can trivialize the topic with your attempt at sarcastic humor.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:20 PM

68. Lanza killed himself

Which is why it wouldn't matter if it was a gun free or a gun-full zone. These people don't care if they survive. Guns everywhere are no deterrent.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:27 PM

22. Dude, the blood is running in the streets. 30,000 gun deaths a year.

Year after year after year. All out of proportion to any other developed country.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:09 PM

26. Another possibility

is that a teacher will accidentally fire their gun and put a bullet in a kid's head. Then people like you can explain it away and continue with the absurd argument that guns make us safe.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:27 PM

57. Not any more than you chewing on yours.

Moran

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:27 PM

7. How many times will we see this...gun goes off in school....

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 03:33 PM

9. Liability?

Teacher verbally disciplines student. Parent claims mental anguish child suffered from gun wielding teacher. Parent sues school. Lawyers get rich. Children are not safer from intruder armed as the one in CT.

What an awful idea.....

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:18 PM

27. The gun did not "go off".

> How many times will we see this...gun goes off in school....

The user pulled the trigger.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:53 PM

36. Well I was going to say an attempt to make him macho he goes out and gets ...

a 45.cal...which requires it be cocked & locked. He hasn't got a clue since most depts. don't use them but Part time Barney who should know better decided to play Quicks Draw with a gun that should never have cleared leather. Does that work for you... I'm talking from 30+ yrs and its no weapon for some "knob" to be carrying. I'm willing to bet he doesn't return to duty once the town decides this guy is a liability. I'm also willing to bet the town specifies exactly just what kind of weapon its officer will carry. IMHO.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:00 PM

37. Chances are it was a Glock.

He was playing with it when he should not have been. When he attempted to put it back into the holster, his finger was still on the trigger.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:17 PM

38. It has to be a conscious decision to put your finger in or on the trigger....

why would it have ever been unholstered? I've handled them from 1986 to date.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:33 PM

61. Thus the ongoing investigation....

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:30 AM

72. Not when the gun's falling and you grab it

That happened to one of my local cops. Also there has been an issue with some holster parts hitting the "safe action" trigger upon reholstering. Limit the teachers to double action only if any decide to carry in school.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:12 PM

14. Doesn't surprise me coming from that part of the country

 

Sadly, conservatism there is a lifestyle.

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Response to Brayshawna Williams (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:49 PM

24. Nice

 

Regional bigotry fail

Welcome to DU

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:34 PM

30. I visited the Rapid City/Mt Rushmore areas back in summer 2008

and I remember seeing a store somewhere either in rural western SD or somewhere around the SD/WY border that had a sign "Armed old granny inside". So I've seen "conservatism as a lifestyle" in that area, in the poster's defense.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:13 AM

44. You lost me

 

One store somewhere OK. How did you know "conservatism as a lifestyle" is what you noticed somewhere? Where I grew up you'd see the same signs everywhere. Did you ever think it's just a regional/local thing? I grew up in one of two counties in Idaho that is progressive. Shit there is a plaque in Mom's kitchen that says "the cook is armed so don't complain". People do, do stuff just for fun -- maybe. You city folk take everything to heart -- no wonder nothing gets changed. Your comment is why people in remote areas see CA plates and just brush you aside as they would an 8 year old that said his/her first fuck word. Little children experimenting with what they heard.

Regional bigotry sucks but those of us that live (a little north of SF) in the "correct places" are true progressives. Cities suck -- wide open places where you can actually see the stars above the lights are primitive? How are those Grizzly bears doing in California (they are on the flag)? Oops you don't have any, any more. I realize you are better than us that grew up in small towns (rural areas) but we have something you'll never have and that is wide open Sky's and the ability to laugh without being thought of as morons/back wards. We laugh at jokes -- not at people. Everyone is funny as long as you're laughing with them and not at them.

Done here -- Good God you make me wonder why I even participate in Progressive causes when City folks are perfect and rural folks are primitive.

I probably read more into your comment than you actually meant but I see so much regional bigotry on this forum that I had to let it out.

Have a good weekend.

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:41 AM

48. But different regions DO have different demographics

I don't think anyone here is saying that every single person in South Dakota is conservative. But, as a state, South Dakota does legitimately have a long and well-documented history of conservative voting behavior. That's not bigotry, it's just the reality, and most South Dakotans, I daresay, would agree that they vote conservatively and are probably proud of that.

Likewise, there is a significant division between urban and rural political behavior. In the last election, 27 of the 30 largest cities in the US voted for Obama. Urban areas are the main source of the Democratic Party's base; the GOP has its base chiefly in suburban and rural areas. It's not prejudice to merely state what is a well-established, undisputed fact.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:46 AM

51. Hate to burst your bubble but that sign is a joke and gift shops....

in this area sell most of them to tourists. However, the occasional local buys one for a joke too. A more popular one is " No Trespassing We don't call 911" And silly signs have nothing to do with '"conservatism as a lifestyle"' which,by the way, pretty much does not exist here except in the form of rwnj churches, just like everywhere else.

However, there are many of us who work or have worked in the tourist industry who really, truly enjoy telling whoppers to visiting city folks. It's amazing what so many of them will swallow as true. After all, we haven't had running water here for very long.

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Response to prairierose (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:04 PM

52. At least the "regional bigots" got interrupted from their Florida duties.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:21 PM

15. Yes! This is way better than.....

..... spending money on more emergency responders. Right?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:37 PM

32. Huh? Don't tell me you really don't understand the point they are trying to make.

They have emergency responders. But some rural schools are miles and miles from those responders. Have you ever BEEN to South Dakota?

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 10:24 PM

69. Don't tell me you really don't understand the point they are trying to make.

Yes yes. You're so right. Having teachers carry guns is the ONLY solution.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 11:22 PM

70. Where has ANYONE

said arming teacher 'was the only solution'?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:32 PM

16. Arithmetic: Crazy shooter bursts into classroom, kills gun totin' teacher, now has 2 guns

Simple arithmetic.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:36 PM

17. When the first teacher kills a student or two,

they will call it collateral damage?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:31 PM

23. This is bizarre

Why not have trained policeman instead? I showed this to my very pro-gun, NRA loving friend ( we NEVER agree on anything gun related) and even he thinks arming teachers is crazy. If everyone here on DU knew him like I do, you all would know that means something. I couldn't believe my ears when he agreed with me!

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:00 PM

25. <cough> Trained policeman? <cough>

 

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:11 PM

53. There are already 10K> armed LEOs in U.S. schools.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:48 PM

33. OMG!

It is way too dangerous for teachers to carry guns.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:11 PM

34. It's way too sad for teachers to carry guns.

 

I always thought protecting my students meant compassion, caring, nay love...

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Response to reteachinwi (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 03:01 PM

63. Agreed. And occaisionally...

...a teacher comes across a situation that requires more. Some of the teachers for example did heroic things at Sandy Hook. Shielding their students for example. It would have been better if instead of sacrificing their lives for their kids that they could have stopped the madman.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:23 PM

35. I will never teach in the States again!

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:30 PM

39. If I had kids . . .

I would yank them out of school and start homeschooling immediately if this crap started around here. It's way too dangerous. Classroom full of kids
+ gun = trouble. Here endeth today's math lesson, boys and girls.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:01 PM

40. ...

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:21 AM

45. Thinking back to some of the teachers I had in school...

not a great idea. Not to malign teachers - my mother was one and my son hopes to be one - but there were too many I wouldn't have trusted around sharp objects let alone with guns in school. And then, I'm just imagining my mother, armed, defending her classroom against armed intruders. It doesn't compute.

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Response to union_maid (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:32 AM

73. I imagine my timid literature teacher in a shootout

and want to write a poem about it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:10 AM

46. Gets crazier sounding the more I think about it. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:44 AM

49. in BOTH classrooms??

Sorry I couldn't resist. I am sure that South Dakota has at least 50 or so classrooms statewide.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:20 PM

54. Insanity reigns. nt

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 12:53 PM

55. heres whats wrong with this picture

Say you're a student that's going to commit suicide in a blaze of bullets after offing other students,teachers and school staff.You won't care if the teachers had guns ,this would make your insane mission all more news worthy .

We have to try to understand the problem and not make it worse ---this country is becoming totally reactionary as it gets dumber and fuck these states that want to remain in time period that was very different than a John Wayne cowboy film .

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:14 PM

56. Just curious, does anyone know if there has ever been a shooting in a school in SD?

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 9, 2013, 01:54 PM

58. found one

looked at list from 1700 until this decade. This one happened 52 years ago.

January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a .22 caliber bullet from a rifle. The shot, intended as a sound effect for a school play, hit him in the chest during a rehearsal just minutes before the play was to take place.

All I'm saying is I think that SD is probably one of the safest states in the US. Maybe not now that fracking has brought in a new element to the population.

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