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Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:20 PM

Tony Blair says Iraq would be far worse today under Saddam Hussein

Source: Guardian

Tony Blair says Iraq would be far worse today under Saddam Hussein

Former prime minister argues in a BBC Newsnight special that Britain still has a profound role to play in the Middle East

Shiv Malik
The Guardian, Tuesday 26 February 2013 17.49 EST

Tony Blair has admitted that life in Iraq today is not what he had hoped it would be and the country is still facing "big problems". But he defended the war, saying that failing to remove Saddam Hussein would have entailed far worse consequences for the country.

Speaking to the BBC's Newsnight before the 10th anniversary of the invasion, he said: "There are still terrorist activities that are killing … innocent people for no good reason, but economy is growing very strongly, it's got huge amount of oil revenue but, no, there are still big problems."

Blair added that the price of the invasion that saw the death of at least 100,000 civilians and 179 British soldiers was "very, very high" but implored people to ask what would have happened had Saddam not been deposed.

Asked whether he minded if "people call you a liar, some people call you a war criminal, protesters follow you, it's difficult to walk down the street in a country", he replied: "It really doesn't matter whether it's taken its toll on me."


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/feb/26/tony-blair-iraq-bbc-newsnight





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Reply Tony Blair says Iraq would be far worse today under Saddam Hussein (Original post)
Judi Lynn Feb 2013 OP
randome Feb 2013 #1
Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #16
kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #51
go west young man Feb 2013 #2
Magleetis Feb 2013 #3
KaryninMiami Feb 2013 #4
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #10
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #5
John2 Feb 2013 #8
Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #9
indepat Feb 2013 #6
Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #7
SamKnause Feb 2013 #11
Babel_17 Feb 2013 #12
lib87 Feb 2013 #13
AAO Feb 2013 #14
magellan Feb 2013 #15
Capt.Rocky300 Feb 2013 #17
Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #18
LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #35
Mz Pip Feb 2013 #19
Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #20
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #46
SCVDem Feb 2013 #21
olddad56 Feb 2013 #22
The Wizard Feb 2013 #23
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #24
randome Feb 2013 #25
DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #26
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #27
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #28
Doctor_J Feb 2013 #54
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #56
PDJane Feb 2013 #29
Festivito Feb 2013 #30
Diclotican Feb 2013 #31
Judi Lynn Feb 2013 #32
Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2013 #33
47of74 Feb 2013 #41
LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #34
DallasNE Feb 2013 #36
jzodda Feb 2013 #37
sendero Feb 2013 #38
karynnj Feb 2013 #43
deutsey Feb 2013 #39
lunatica Feb 2013 #40
47of74 Feb 2013 #42
Still Blue in PDX Feb 2013 #44
Javaman Feb 2013 #45
Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #47
ThomThom Feb 2013 #48
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #49
ronnie624 Feb 2013 #50
kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #52
Doctor_J Feb 2013 #53
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:25 PM

1. Asshole. Iraq was stable before we invaded.

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:23 PM

16. I know what you mean!

If we'd left the sanctions in place until now we and they would be a lot better off!

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Response to randome (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:06 AM

51. Iraqi women were among the most educated in the ME, they had health care and free schools. Many

different ethnic and religious groups lived in peace with each other. They had food, water and electricity. Sure Saddam was a dictator and he only did to his people what the corporations and banks do to US citizens. He was just part of the neocon-PNAC wet dream.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:25 PM

2. Tony just follows the Cheney line.

Keep repeating the lie over and over again. Even when your obviously a liar. So sad for all those people who lost their lives and families that people like Tony are still getting a free pass. It says wonders about our press. Simply put....we suck.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:26 PM

3. Sickening

Evil, heartless motherfuckers.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:27 PM

4. Not for the thousands of innocents killed

And the countless others injured. And the hundreds of thousands whose lives were destroyed. And the thousands more who fled and had to start new lives. Of course I don't know for sure but it does seem like there was a shitload of horrendous destruction and lives lost for basically no reason.

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Response to KaryninMiami (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:39 PM

10. And the trillions spent...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:29 PM

5. Yeah, no, Tony. Sorry.

Iraq would've been an isolated mess and America would've had 4,000 of its own citizens still alive today. Moreover, the entire nation would've been basically a controlled chaos - something Saddam did well enough. We disrupted it and I wouldn't be surprised if the future of Iraq mirrors present day Afghanistan.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:36 PM

8. So their Economy is stronger

 

but what about Britain's economy and ours? Why is America still talking about Oil dependence after invading Iraq? Have they paid the U.S. back yet? I think that War is still on our credit card Bill.

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Response to John2 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:38 PM

9. Hell, we're still paying off parts of WWII, so, I'm guessing this will be on the card for decades.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:30 PM

6. What fu*king asininity: Tony, tell that to the dead, the bludgeoned, the carnaged, the homeless, the

limbless, the orphaned, the white-phosphoroused, the jobless, you absolute f*ckhead, tell it to those who got a full dose of shock and awe from the the most sophisticated weaponry of the largest war machine in the world.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:35 PM

7. Of course he does.........

got to play CYA from now until the hour of his death amen.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 07:45 PM

11. Tony

Bloviating idiot.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:38 PM

12. Because of the invasion

there was a civil war and with ethnic cleansing. Hundreds of thousands fled the country and are refugees.

That civil war and the ethnic cleansing have left an unhealed wound.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 08:42 PM

13. It's hard for him to walk down the street y'all

because people call him names. Feel sorry for him you guys.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:10 PM

14. Ah be presidentin'.

 

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:11 PM

15. Oh, look, it's bLiar poodle walking with puppet Bush

I'd be laughing at that photo if it weren't for the fact that both these war criminals are still free and trying to rewrite history. After all the blood and fortune their lies have cost, any "worse scenario" estimate of what Iraq would be like now is crass, not to mention meaningless.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:42 PM

17. I think the proper response to the former P.M. is........

Go roger yourself with a prize winning leek. Got that from a British sitcom years ago.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:48 PM

18. Jackpine says the UK would be much worse off today under BLiar.

Not that what they got is any great shakes…

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:37 AM

35. Hard as it is to imagine, the current lot are worse.

But I have no doubt that the UK would be a lot better off if John Smith, the late Labour Party leader, hadn't died young, and if Blair had never been Prime Minister.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 09:49 PM

19. Who knows, really?

It's pretty much speculation at this point.

Is the world a better place without Saddam? Maybe. But the bigger question should be: Was it worth the cost?

How many lives were lost? Was it worth that? How much money did this cost the US and the other countries involved? Was it worth that?

I don't think so.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:19 PM

20. That's not the f***ing point is it?

The whole premise for the war is that Saddam posed a threat to "friends, allies and the US" with his mythical WMDs.

Since WHEN do imperial powers give a SHIT about the conditions of ordinary citizens of dictators who play along... until they do something that displeases the PTB?

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:26 AM

46. Your last sentence ought to be a bumper sticker.

Decades of history, all in one perfect sentence.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:27 PM

21. Blair is a lapdog criminal along with Bush!

Prosecute these criminals!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 10:29 PM

22. yeah, they are way better off now breathing that depleted uranium dust for the next 4 billion years.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:22 PM

23. Every day for the rest of his life

Blair lives under the threat of kidnapping and hauled off to the Hague for war crimes. And if he was, no one would give a shit. He's left a trail of dead and seriously injured in the wake of his war for profit. He's going to the Ninth Ring of Dante's Ninth Circle.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:25 PM

24. That is an unfortunate photo...

now I know why they called Blair Bush's poodle.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:37 PM

25. Which is kinda like being the poodle of a poodle, isn't it?

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:43 PM

26. I find it supremely defining

An Idiot and his Sock-Puppet.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:44 PM

27. Hard to believe this is the type of leadership we've known in the US.

They both need kennels.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2013, 11:58 PM

28. Tony Blair...the prime minister Britain should never have had...the leader Labour never needed.

He'll probably end up endorsing the Tories in 2015-and giving the keynote speech at the GOP convention the year after.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:11 PM

54. I remember watching CSPAN the night he was first elected PM

It was much like watching election night here in 1992 or 2008. The hope/relief were palpable. Who knew he'd turn into a war-excusing poodle?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:14 PM

56. It turned out he was more interested in punishing his own party for taking brave stands in the 80's

than in actually doing anything positive.

To my mind, that's half the reason he backed Bush on Iraq.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:07 AM

29. Saddam was the US puppet until he rebelled about drilling for oil and selling for nothing.......

And, of course, dissing the BFEE. The only thing that Saddam really died for was knowing where the bodies were; If he had gone to the ICC, he would have had to be accompanied by Bush Sr.

He didn't even start the war with Kuwait; that was bogus. It's all ridiculous.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:18 AM

30. Tony's right! All that money! All those alive people!

So much to think about. So much extra thinking. What a far worse consequence entailed.

Or,

What a little lying poodle diva deserving jail.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:18 AM

31. Judi Lynn

Judi Lynn

More than possible Iraq would have another man on the top of the power structure - by 2003, Saddam Hussein was over 70 year old - and is rumored to have had a nasty Cancer - who would have killed him, long before he was 80... Even the best medicine Iraq could have given the again dictator - would not had been much for the cancer...

And I doubt any on his sons would have been on the top, when the old man was dead and buried - mostly because the two sons was insane, and would have turned against each other before the old man was dead.. I fear, even as the old man was lying in his bed - dying from cancer and old age - the two grown "boys" would have turned their forces against the other - and more than possible killed them self in the process - and then another dictator - maybe a more normal one, would have taking their place - when the dust was settled.. I know the regime of Saddam Hussein was a brutal one - but he had some sane generals - who might had have some ideas about how to turn Iraq around - and at least make the necessary adjustments - to make the big powers understand that Iraq was not a danger for the world - and not for either UK or USA... After all Iraq was not exactly a danger to the US, in 2003 either - as US was winning the war, in little over 3 weeks - and no chemical or biological weapons ever fired by Iraqi army units.. Not a single shell was fired against the US forces - that be with chemical or biological weapons.. And by the way - the US forces, did a good job, using iraqi forces as target practice in most of the war...


Tony Blair - would never public admit he was wrong - and he was wrong - I suspect he will go to his grave, never admit what he did wrong when it come to the Iraq War - even though the evidences about how horrible Iraq is today - a decade after the Iraq war, with the horrible harms to the iraqi infrastructure, and to the population, who in many cases is devastated by the war - and the ethnic hatred who is between the sunnies - the shia, and the kurds.. Tony Blair have ten of thousands of innocents peoples blood at his hand - and I believe he know it - but he will never admit to it..

I found mr Blair to be both repulsive and arrogant by this statement - he had deserved to be put on trial, for making a illegal war, and for attaching a country, who had no connection with the terror attack on US in 2001..

If anything - the Saudis, who have sponsored islamic extremists for decades and decades should be kept responsible for their crimes...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:07 AM

32. Thank you, Diclotican, for your thoughtful remarks. This war can never be forgiven. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:52 AM

33. Okay, Tony. . .have you gotten your tongue out of Bush's ass yet?

 

Tweedledum and Tweedledick!

Two worthless scumbags. Piss off, Tony

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Response to Nanjing to Seoul (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:49 AM

41. Tongue? Try the entire head all the way past the shoulders

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:36 AM

34. It couldn't be worse that what they have now.

And it would certainly be much better for the thousands of people who were killed!!!

And who's to say that Saddam would still be in charge anyway? I think the chances are that he wouldn't. If age/health didn't get rid of him, the Arab Spring likely would have.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:38 AM

36. Blair Didn't Answer His Own Question

What would have happened if Saddam would have been left in power. Well, we knew he didn't have any WMD because of the UN inspection teams and that may well have weakened him.

Also, Iraq would probably have been caught up in the Arab Spring and gone the way of Egypt and Libya. But it would have been an Arab solution to an Arab problem and that is how it should have been.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:48 AM

37. Mr. Blair ever heard of

Cost/Benefit analysis? I don't think so. The cost was way way way too high in every respect, especially in lives lost or maimed forever.

The benefit? What benefit? A divided nation, weak and no longer a buffer against Iran. A nation filled with massive weekly bombings? It looks like the place is going to fall apart and is being held together with string.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:05 AM

38. I really...

.. think Blair is a garden-variety sociopath, otherwise he would not be able to live with himself.

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Response to sendero (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:51 AM

43. I suspect the opposite - someone so convinced of the good of his own goal that he refuses to

see things that contradict the vision that he signed on. In his case, maybe as much as Bush's, it may have been a crusade in the name of "democracy". (Even though democracy is incompatible with a crusade from the outside.) It may be that he HAS to maintain his belief of the situation to keep his own view of himself as a good person. Thus I do not think he (or Bush) would ever have the intellectual honesty to admit what most of the world knew by at least 2004 - and some much earlier.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:40 AM

39. Shut the fuck up, Tony

I wasn't interested in your lies back then and I'm sure as hell not interested in your rationalizations now.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:48 AM

40. He needs to define what he means by worse off or better off

Because I don't see how the world is better off without Saddam. Or worse off either.

Bush and Blair look like their doing a soft shoe two step shuffle for us in that photo.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:49 AM

42. Why isn't this horse's ASS in prison for war crimes?

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Response to 47of74 (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:55 AM

44. The same reason Bush, Cheney, et al, aren't.

Whatever the f*ck that is.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:56 AM

45. the poodle yaps. nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:35 AM

47. Considering the "Arab Spring" Saddam Hussein might not even be in power today due

to the actions of the Iraqis, themselves without an invasion.

Thanks for the thread, Judi Lynn.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:44 AM

48. lock that fucker up

they looked like such a nice young couple

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:00 AM

49. Disgusting.

Translation: We lied the whole time. We committed war crimes. We tortured and maimed. We destroyed the lives of thousands. But we're still the good guys in all this because Saddam is dead.

That is what the cowardly piece of shit is saying.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:03 AM

50. For Iraqi women, America's promise of democracy is anything but liberation

A decade on from the US-led invasion of Iraq, the destruction caused by foreign occupation and the subsequent regime has had a massive impact on Iraqis' daily life – the most disturbing example of which is violence against women. At the same time, the sectarian regime's policy on religious garb is forcing women to retire their hard-earned rights across the spectrum: employment, freedom of movement, civil marriage, welfare benefits, and the right to education and health services.

Instead, they are seeking survival and protection for themselves and their families. But for many, the violence they face comes from the very institution that should guarantee their safety: the government. Iraqi regime officials often echo the same denials of the US-UK occupation authorities, saying that there are few or no women detainees. An increasing number of international and Iraqi human rights organizations reports otherwise.

*******

According to Mohamed al-Dainy, an Iraqi MP, there was 1,053 cases of documented rape (pdf) cases by the occupying troops and Iraqi forces between 2003 and 2007. Lawyers acting on behalf of former detainees say that UK detention practices between 2003 and 2008 included unlawful killings, beatings, hooding, sleep deprivation, forced nudity and sexual humiliation, sometimes involving women and children. The abuses were endemic, allege the detainees' lawyers, arising from the "systems, management culture and training" of the British military.

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Today, Iraq can boast one of the highest execution rates in the world. In a single day, 19 January 2012, 34 individuals, including two women, were executed – an act described by UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay as shocking:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/25/iraqi-women-american-promise-democracy

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:09 AM

52. No, and the USA is much worse off without him being there. (Think about the cost) nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:33 PM

53. "So the killing of around 2 million Iraqis can be undeniably justified"

Look at those two twits in the picture. Makes me want to At least Tony doesn't dress in a soldier suit. Bush is deeply mentally ill.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:34 PM

55. What an Asshole!

Tell that to the dead, the professional women who can no longer work, the children who have received no education, the child with birth defects from depleted uranium, etc., etc.
He is a war criminal like Bu$h!

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