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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:20 AM

Texas tightens rules on shooting from helicopters

Source: Associated Press

Texas tightens rules on shooting from helicopters
By PAUL J. WEBER | Associated Press Published February 21, 2013

AUSTIN, Texas Nearly four months after a Texas state trooper in a helicopter fired on a pickup truck speeding along the U.S.-Mexico border, killing two Guatemalan immigrants, state officials said Thursday that troopers are now forbidden from aerial shooting unless they're under fire.

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw announced the policy change while facing questions from lawmakers about the deadly high-speed pursuit near La Joya in October. The truck was mistakenly thought to be carrying a drug load, and DPS says a trooper opened fire to disable the vehicle because it was barreling toward a school zone.

McCraw continued to defend that shooting, even while rolling out new rules that would now forbid it.

"I'm convinced that now, from a helicopter platform, that we shouldn't shoot unless being shot at, or someone is being shot at," McCraw said.





Read more: http://www.theolympian.com/2013/02/21/2432309/texas-tightens-rules-on-shooting.html#storylink=cpy

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Reply Texas tightens rules on shooting from helicopters (Original post)
Judi Lynn Feb 2013 OP
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #1
TexasTowelie Feb 2013 #2
DFW Feb 2013 #5
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #11
DFW Feb 2013 #17
happyslug Feb 2013 #18
caseymoz Feb 2013 #3
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #4
DFW Feb 2013 #6
another_liberal Feb 2013 #7
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #12
another_liberal Feb 2013 #13
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #15
another_liberal Feb 2013 #16
midnight Feb 2013 #8
KoKo Feb 2013 #9
midnight Feb 2013 #10
judesedit Feb 2013 #14
riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #19

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:24 AM

1. People had to die to get those crazy motherfuckers to rein themselves in.

I mean the Texas DPS boys.

Really? Shooting at a vehicle from a helicopter? The shooter should have been prosecuted and the officials who defended that should resign in shame.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:35 AM

2. So Sarah Palin won't be able to hunt caribou in Texas anymore?

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:09 AM

5. No, she can still do that

It's just that now she has to register with the local eskimos before doing it.

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Response to DFW (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:26 AM

11. You are aware that Texas is sort of a commute from Alaska, right?

Non-snark: This is a Texas rule, not a federal, so it wouldn't apply to Alaska.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:29 PM

17. I know. I didn't really think there were caribou in TX either.

At least I have seen any.

I also saw it was meant to prevent Texas cops from shooting illegal immigrants from helicopters. I noticed they didn't state that TX cops were to be discouraged from shooting people who were in our state legally, so our trigger-happy constabulary can still get their jollies, apparently.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:04 AM

3. Call me cynical.


This "change of rules" is only going to last until this blows over, then Texas lawmen will act lawless again.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:04 AM

4. K&R

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:11 AM

6. So what's next? Will the Guatemalans equip themselves with heat-seeking missiles?

I'm just glad Dallas is too far from the border to worry about my house being used for target practice from the air by the local constabulary.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:04 AM

7. Ted Nugent brags . . .

Ted Nugent brags about how much he loves to shoot feral pigs from a helicopter on his ranch down in Texas. While a phone-in guest on the Gary Nolan radio program several months ago, Nugent even went so far as to claim he used an assault rifle modified to fire full automatic to butcher the fleeing pigs. Is it possible (I shudder at the thought) that he may have been in violation of a Texas State firearm law?

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:29 AM

12. If he's telling the truth

That is a felony. No firearm or auto sear has been lawfully registered to the public since 1986, when the Hughes amendment closed the NFA registry.

If it was made before that date, and properly registered, he may have later lawfully bought the rifle.

Nugent has done several hunting violations over the year, so it wouldn't surprise me if he broke the law, but normally one is more circumspect about admitting to it on the radio, when a 10 year felony is on the line. Then again, perhaps he is that much of an idiot...

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2012/04/ted-nugent-pleads-guilty-in-black-bear-hunting-violation.html

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:44 AM

13. "Then again, perhaps he is that much of an idiot..."

Perhaps? We are, one assumes, talking about the same Ted Nugent, right?

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:00 PM

15. Hopping on radio and admitting to a felony is a bridge beyond

the stupidity level I would have assumed him capable of, but people amaze me with their capabilities all the time, so, there is precedent.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:30 PM

16. He did say it . . .

The "Gary Nolan Show" most likely does have an audio file. I do not frequent his web page, however, so I am just assuming that to be the case.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:14 AM

8. I wonder what the difference is between this and drones... I feel the U.S. and the war in our

backyard syndrome makes us so thuggish.... So the truck they were shooting on was thought to be doing something illegal, but it wasn't and two innocent people not involved in this allegation lost their lives... We need to calm down over drugs...

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Response to midnight (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:36 AM

9. FAA moves toward creating 6 drone test sites in US


FAA moves toward creating 6 drone test sites in US

JOAN LOWY | February 14, 2013 11:42 PM EST | AP
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WASHINGTON In a major step toward opening U.S. skies to thousands of unmanned drones, federal officials Thursday solicited proposals to create six drone test sites around the country.

The Federal Aviation Administration also posted online a draft plan for protecting people's privacy from the eyes in the sky. The plan would require each test site to follow federal and state laws and make a privacy policy publicly available.

Privacy advocates worry that a proliferation of drones will lead to a "surveillance society" in which the movements of Americans are routinely monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities.

The military has come to rely heavily on drones overseas. Now there is tremendous demand to use drones in the U.S. for all kinds of tasks that are too dirty, dull or dangerous for manned aircraft. Drones, which range from the size of a hummingbird to the high-flying Globalhawks that weigh about 15,000 pounds without fuel, also are often cheaper than manned aircraft. The biggest market is expected to be state and local police departments.

The FAA is required by a law enacted a year ago to develop sites where civilian and military drones can be tested in preparation for integration into U.S. airspace that's currently limited to manned aircraft.

The law also requires that the FAA allow drones wide access to U.S. airspace by 2015, but the agency is behind schedule, and it's doubtful it will meet the deadline, the Transportation Department's inspector general said in a report last year.

MUCH MORE AT:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130214/us-drones-at-home/?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=politics

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Response to KoKo (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:56 AM

10. Yikes-one difference is that the civilian drones can be hacked, and the helicopter police can't...

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:48 AM

14. They're real big and bad with their phallic symbols in their hands.Put them one on one and they cry

Their big soft bellies get in the way.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:18 PM

19. OMG I had no idea we were even doing that, let alone now needing a rule to STOP doing it. Disgusting








Talk about feeling hunted... I can't imagine the horror and fear.

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