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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:28 AM Feb 2013

Chuck Grassley: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

Source: Think Progress



INDIANOLA, Iowa — Republicans have offered a number of reasons why they oppose the Violence Against Women Act. Some think it’s unconstitutional. Others argue that it’s just a meaningless bill with a patriotic title.

On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.

Last week, Grassley was one of just 22 senators—all Republican men—who voted against reauthorizing VAWA. During a town hall meeting in Indianola on Wednesday, a woman asked him to explain his vote. Grassley responded that the legislation is unconstitutional, a belief shared by at least five of his colleagues.

Since the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to a trial among a jury of peers, Grassley reasoned that white men would be deprived of their rights if those who were accused of violence against Native American women had to appear in a tribal court. “On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/21/1619501/chuck-grassley-native-americans/



...and Republicans wonder why folks think they're the party of racists

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Chuck Grassley: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2013 OP
WTF Skittles Feb 2013 #1
Other idiots who are even more ignorant. Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #11
Wow. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #2
...stunning. SoapBox Feb 2013 #3
How do they justify their lack of humanity? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2013 #44
currently the Native police are not allowed to arrest a non-indian.Grassley wants rapes and beatings Sunlei Feb 2013 #4
Republican nazis with less money. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Feb 2013 #5
Sickening sakabatou Feb 2013 #6
Such a classless buffoon. Hulk Feb 2013 #7
How about African-Ameican juries? BVictor1 Feb 2013 #8
And vice versa? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #9
Bingo. Scuba Feb 2013 #33
Hi there, Nail, I's like to introduce you to my friend, Hammer. Volaris Feb 2013 #53
woa. o.O BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #10
+1,000. A nauseating bastard making trouble for everyone. freshwest Feb 2013 #13
I was speechless when I first read the OP! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #22
Since he is a mindless B*****d sheshe2 Feb 2013 #21
that quote of his was just a jaw-dropper. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #25
Why isn't there a law against that? delrem Feb 2013 #14
Grassley Has Said Some Really Stupid Stuff Of Late DallasNE Feb 2013 #15
Oh no, he sure doesn't get off that easy... sheshe2 Feb 2013 #23
I've been wondering the same thing. amandabeech Feb 2013 #62
In a sane party, this would be the kind of rhetoric that would cause folks to call for you to resign Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2013 #16
Sadly true. bananas Feb 2013 #47
It works both ways right? Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #17
b i n g o tomm2thumbs Feb 2013 #20
What does the jury pool look like Peregrine Feb 2013 #52
There are probably places in Vermont and Maine, both of which are about 98% white. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #58
It used to be . . . Brigid Feb 2013 #18
So using his logic..... Revanchist Feb 2013 #19
Thank you, AH for bringing Grassley's comments to the forefront. sheshe2 Feb 2013 #24
Why does the state that kept re-electing Tom Harkin keep re-electing THIS guy? Ken Burch Feb 2013 #26
- Bigredhunk Feb 2013 #28
Of course Harkin, a big time lib, is going to retire Bigredhunk Feb 2013 #27
Or as I call them, the Teabagger Herald 47of74 Feb 2013 #63
You hit it on the head. caseymoz Feb 2013 #29
I am sure he thinks the same way AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #30
Oh, so he's acknowledging racism? Does this mean he supports changing our legal system NC_Nurse Feb 2013 #31
Grassley is a racist since he surely thinks white juries can try Native Americans "fairly". nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #32
Grassley is just John2 Feb 2013 #34
Chuck titanicdave Feb 2013 #35
I'm so glad the Republicans are re-branding, aren't you? nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #36
I guess it's all the scalppin' and fire water drinkin' that done did it to them. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2013 #37
Hey Chuck, they were here first! MiniMe Feb 2013 #38
Today's GOP keeps upping the ante on stupid. tanyev Feb 2013 #39
Chuckie is the dumbest US Senator. Everyday his staff SDjack Feb 2013 #40
HOW... windowpilot Feb 2013 #41
Does that mean that white juries are incapable of fairly trying 'Indians', blacks, sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #42
If the folks on the res were to put up a 'wall' and keep the whites, etc., out toby jo Feb 2013 #43
Sorry but I have to say it. What an asshole. judesedit Feb 2013 #45
I'm sure next he will call for the release of all the black people convicted by white juries Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #46
Chuck; you ignorant shit, it's time to retire. Uncle Joe Feb 2013 #48
effin' Grassley should read 'To Kill a Mockingbird' to see if he sees himself among indepat Feb 2013 #49
It must be opposite day. /nt Ash_F Feb 2013 #50
Someone needs to make a video with all the GOP remarks like this. think Feb 2013 #51
Well Mr. Grassley. Then maybe white men should not act in violence toward Native women on the res. jwirr Feb 2013 #54
Pull the plug on Grassley.. retire, old man! mountain grammy Feb 2013 #55
The corollary of that has been true for 400 years. sofa king Feb 2013 #56
Hmm. But aren't terrorists from other countries caught here, tried here? NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #57
Yeah, right. Whatever. burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #59
Grassley needs to be committed to the dementia facility NOW wordpix Feb 2013 #60
Assley is a racist buffoon. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #61
God, I wish this horse's ass would retire and go back to mowing his fucking lawn already. 47of74 Feb 2013 #64

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
4. currently the Native police are not allowed to arrest a non-indian.Grassley wants rapes and beatings
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:42 AM
Feb 2013

of woman to continue and reservation lands to be a madmax society.

Who the hell elects these republican nazis?

Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
7. Such a classless buffoon.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:49 AM
Feb 2013

Holy Moses, are they trying to out-do each other with total "stupid"? It's almost laughable that they can say such utterly offensive and ignorant things; but then again. Maybe he has some sort of a guilt complex? Will he be releasing some info on us after he retires like his NM buddy?

Shameless old fool.

 

BVictor1

(229 posts)
8. How about African-Ameican juries?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:52 AM
Feb 2013

Someone's feeling a bit of white guilt?

Naaa... He's just a bastard.

And a coward.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. And vice versa?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:05 AM
Feb 2013

The corollary would seem to be that no Indians could get a fair trial off the rez. Wanna go there, senator?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
10. woa. o.O
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:13 AM
Feb 2013

That is stunning in its selfishness...amazing the disregard for anyone unlike himself.

Bet the idea of white juries trying black men never bothered him.

And clearly, women's rights to life, liberty, yaddayadda, never enter his mind at all.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
25. that quote of his was just a jaw-dropper.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:45 AM
Feb 2013

“On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

And he said that with no awareness of the irony?
AND he's ok with the situation as it is? That tribal police csnt even ARREST a non-res guy? And meanwhile, fucking non-res guys KNOW this and therefore know that it's eady huntin over the border...but senator bigot wants to let the status quo remain rather than vote for a bill that intends to protect women?

Jeezus. H. Christ!!!

delrem

(9,688 posts)
14. Why isn't there a law against that?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:23 AM
Feb 2013

Grassley is a legislator and he's offering a clearly racist justification for his vote re. a legislation.
I'm not saying put him in jail. I'm saying his kind of reasoning should be grounds for impeachment, for his forcible removal from office.

If that kind of statement doesn't qualify, what does?

DallasNE

(7,390 posts)
15. Grassley Has Said Some Really Stupid Stuff Of Late
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:25 AM
Feb 2013

Is he showing signs of early stage Alzheimer's Disease?

sheshe2

(83,138 posts)
23. Oh no, he sure doesn't get off that easy...
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:36 AM
Feb 2013

It is not Alzheimer's. It is hate pure and simple. The GOP hates and disrespects women every step of the way!

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
62. I've been wondering the same thing.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:33 PM
Feb 2013

Or perhaps mini-strokes?

I remember this guy from 'way back when he was a rep because I have an interest in ag issues.

I disagreed with him a gracious plenty, but I don't remember him having a real racist tendency.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
16. In a sane party, this would be the kind of rhetoric that would cause folks to call for you to resign
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:25 AM
Feb 2013

In the GOP, they celebrate this kind of shit.

 

Prog_gun_owner

(54 posts)
17. It works both ways right?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:25 AM
Feb 2013

Can a Native American, or African American, or an American Woman get a fair trial if the jury is all white men?

Peregrine

(992 posts)
52. What does the jury pool look like
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:55 PM
Feb 2013

Is it 100% white, doubtful. What about the jury pool on a reservation? 100% Native-American, probably. Which pool is the least discriminatory? Where in the US can you find a 100% white jury pool?

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
18. It used to be . . .
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:25 AM
Feb 2013

That public service was an honorable aspiration requiring a modicum of integrity and at least a few working brain cells. Now we get boneheads like this old fossil. What happened?

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
19. So using his logic.....
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:26 AM
Feb 2013

A "jury of your peers" should mean you can only be judged by those of the same gender and ethnic background, or is a cultural thing? Maybe rapists, pedophiles and homophobes should only have other rapists, pedophiles and homophobes on their juries, we want a "fair" trial after all.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. Why does the state that kept re-electing Tom Harkin keep re-electing THIS guy?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:58 AM
Feb 2013

I still don't even get how he beat John Culver back in '78.

Bigredhunk

(1,344 posts)
28. -
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:22 AM
Feb 2013

Some of it is regional demographics. Western IA is in the bag for crazies like Grassley and Steve King. Central/Eastern IA, where the big cities are located, are more liberal. That's not all of it though.

Bruce Braley is a liberal guy. I'm very proud to vote for him and have met him a few times at local gatherings in his honor. He's been elected/re-elected 4 times ('06, '08, '10, '12). Before Braley we had republican douche Jim Nussle, of whom it seemed we would NEVER(!) be rid. Well, Nussle ran for governor and Braley got his seat when the R brand was in the toilet in '06 (and Nussle lost the governorship to total zero Chet Culver for the same reason). My point is, I don't know that we would have ever gotten rid of Nussle had he not ran for governor. I sometimes wonder if we'd have ever gotten rid of Branstad had he not stepped down in '98 too. I feel like we'll never be rid of him again, as he has now been governor of my state for 18/19 years (he's on his fifth 4-year term). He's such a dork.

Bigredhunk

(1,344 posts)
27. Of course Harkin, a big time lib, is going to retire
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:11 AM
Feb 2013

Time for this old gasbag to go too. He says a lot of stupid shit. Check out his Twitter sometime. The local paper (Dubuque Telegraph Herald) LOVES his ass (Branstad too). Never a bad word.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
29. You hit it on the head.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:08 AM
Feb 2013

This doesn't even sound racist to Republicans. They're constantly making insults like this and then wonder why minorities don't like them.

I'm guessing that armed robbery or any other crime committed on a Reservation shouldn't be tried in tribal court, either?

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
30. I am sure he thinks the same way
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:18 AM
Feb 2013

about other minorities as well. I wonder if he has a pointy hood in his closet?

NC_Nurse

(11,646 posts)
31. Oh, so he's acknowledging racism? Does this mean he supports changing our legal system
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:25 AM
Feb 2013

to take racism into account in the REST of the country? I kinda doubt it, don't you? Funny how racism only counts if it effects white guys like Mr. Grassley.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
34. Grassley is just
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:02 AM
Feb 2013

making my point once again about who the Republican Party attracts. They don't believe in equality for other ethnic groups in America. If you are not a white male, you are a second class citizen. There is a different set of rules for women though. It is like a Pyramid and where you fit on the scale. That is the way they see society. Equality threatens that order.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
35. Chuck
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:29 AM
Feb 2013

Grassley is a racist ass hat with this statement........we always knew he was an ass hat when he was talking to his constituents about the "death panels" killing grandma in Obamacare, but now we can add racist ass hat to that statement.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
37. I guess it's all the scalppin' and fire water drinkin' that done did it to them.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:05 AM
Feb 2013

Batshit Crazy Asshole.

You people in Iowa proud of this waste of sperm?

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
40. Chuckie is the dumbest US Senator. Everyday his staff
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:58 AM
Feb 2013

rescues his worthless ass from absolute disaster. His staff director is busier than a three arm paper hanger with two arms tied behind his back.

sinkingfeeling

(51,201 posts)
42. Does that mean that white juries are incapable of fairly trying 'Indians', blacks,
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:08 AM
Feb 2013

Asians, etc.? Does it mean juries of women are incapable of fairly trying men and vise versa?

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
43. If the folks on the res were to put up a 'wall' and keep the whites, etc., out
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:42 AM
Feb 2013

he'd be shouting 'Unamerican' !

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
46. I'm sure next he will call for the release of all the black people convicted by white juries
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:52 PM
Feb 2013

by his logic it is unconstitutional.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
51. Someone needs to make a video with all the GOP remarks like this.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

There certainly is enough of these instances where if compiled it would put the GOP's ethics as an organization under a bright light for the American public.

The frequency of these type of blatantly racist remarks is alarming and disconcerting at best. I hold the GOP in contempt for their extremely poor leadership on important race related issues. They can not continue to make racist statements on an ongoing basis and then feel like they should not be held accountable for the moral decay that these remarks produce in America's society.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
56. The corollary of that has been true for 400 years.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:36 PM
Feb 2013

That didn't stop the United States, or its predecessors, for one minute of those 400 years. So go to hell, Grassley.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
57. Hmm. But aren't terrorists from other countries caught here, tried here?
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:45 PM
Feb 2013

"On American soil, it’s going to be made up of Americans, right? So the non-American doesn’t get a fair trial."

By his logic we can't try any foreign terrorists -- actually, any foreigners at all -- in US courts, and even less so in military courts.

The stupid hurts.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
60. Grassley needs to be committed to the dementia facility NOW
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:04 PM
Feb 2013

His convoluted thinking is as bad as my mom's and she has Alz. disease.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
61. Assley is a racist buffoon.
Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:05 PM
Feb 2013

Gee, Assley, you think they might have learned that from pasty white folks like you being unfair to minorities throughout the centuries? You fetid piece of shit; your racism and ignorance is astounding.

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