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Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:28 AM

Chuck Grassley: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

Source: Think Progress



INDIANOLA, Iowa — Republicans have offered a number of reasons why they oppose the Violence Against Women Act. Some think it’s unconstitutional. Others argue that it’s just a meaningless bill with a patriotic title.

On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.

Last week, Grassley was one of just 22 senators—all Republican men—who voted against reauthorizing VAWA. During a town hall meeting in Indianola on Wednesday, a woman asked him to explain his vote. Grassley responded that the legislation is unconstitutional, a belief shared by at least five of his colleagues.

Since the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to a trial among a jury of peers, Grassley reasoned that white men would be deprived of their rights if those who were accused of violence against Native American women had to appear in a tribal court. “On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/21/1619501/chuck-grassley-native-americans/



...and Republicans wonder why folks think they're the party of racists

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Reply Chuck Grassley: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly (Original post)
Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2013 OP
Skittles Feb 2013 #1
Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #11
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #2
SoapBox Feb 2013 #3
Cracklin Charlie Feb 2013 #44
Sunlei Feb 2013 #4
Scootaloo Feb 2013 #12
sammy27932003 Feb 2013 #5
sakabatou Feb 2013 #6
Hulk Feb 2013 #7
BVictor1 Feb 2013 #8
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #9
Scuba Feb 2013 #33
Volaris Feb 2013 #53
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #10
freshwest Feb 2013 #13
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #22
sheshe2 Feb 2013 #21
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #25
delrem Feb 2013 #14
DallasNE Feb 2013 #15
sheshe2 Feb 2013 #23
amandabeech Feb 2013 #62
Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2013 #16
bananas Feb 2013 #47
Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #17
tomm2thumbs Feb 2013 #20
Peregrine Feb 2013 #52
NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #58
Brigid Feb 2013 #18
Revanchist Feb 2013 #19
sheshe2 Feb 2013 #24
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Bigredhunk Feb 2013 #28
Bigredhunk Feb 2013 #27
47of74 Feb 2013 #63
caseymoz Feb 2013 #29
AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #30
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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:31 AM

1. WTF

who the FUCK votes for these idiots?????

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:15 AM

11. Other idiots who are even more ignorant.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:31 AM

2. Wow.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:41 AM

3. ...stunning.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:42 AM

44. How do they justify their lack of humanity?

Disgusting.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:42 AM

4. currently the Native police are not allowed to arrest a non-indian.Grassley wants rapes and beatings

of woman to continue and reservation lands to be a madmax society.

Who the hell elects these republican nazis?

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:19 AM

12. Republican nazis with less money.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:48 AM

6. Sickening

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:49 AM

7. Such a classless buffoon.

Holy Moses, are they trying to out-do each other with total "stupid"? It's almost laughable that they can say such utterly offensive and ignorant things; but then again. Maybe he has some sort of a guilt complex? Will he be releasing some info on us after he retires like his NM buddy?

Shameless old fool.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:52 AM

8. How about African-Ameican juries?

 

Someone's feeling a bit of white guilt?

Naaa... He's just a bastard.

And a coward.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:05 AM

9. And vice versa?

The corollary would seem to be that no Indians could get a fair trial off the rez. Wanna go there, senator?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:19 AM

33. Bingo.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:00 PM

53. Hi there, Nail, I's like to introduce you to my friend, Hammer.

What an asshat.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:13 AM

10. woa. o.O

That is stunning in its selfishness...amazing the disregard for anyone unlike himself.

Bet the idea of white juries trying black men never bothered him.

And clearly, women's rights to life, liberty, yaddayadda, never enter his mind at all.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:21 AM

13. +1,000. A nauseating bastard making trouble for everyone.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:33 AM

22. I was speechless when I first read the OP!

Took me a while after "woa" to recover enough to type !

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:31 AM

21. Since he is a mindless B*****d

I guess there would be no way that it could!

Blanche, thank you!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:45 AM

25. that quote of his was just a jaw-dropper.

“On an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right?” Grassley said. “So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.”

And he said that with no awareness of the irony?
AND he's ok with the situation as it is? That tribal police csnt even ARREST a non-res guy? And meanwhile, fucking non-res guys KNOW this and therefore know that it's eady huntin over the border...but senator bigot wants to let the status quo remain rather than vote for a bill that intends to protect women?

Jeezus. H. Christ!!!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:23 AM

14. Why isn't there a law against that?

Grassley is a legislator and he's offering a clearly racist justification for his vote re. a legislation.
I'm not saying put him in jail. I'm saying his kind of reasoning should be grounds for impeachment, for his forcible removal from office.

If that kind of statement doesn't qualify, what does?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:25 AM

15. Grassley Has Said Some Really Stupid Stuff Of Late

Is he showing signs of early stage Alzheimer's Disease?

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:36 AM

23. Oh no, he sure doesn't get off that easy...

It is not Alzheimer's. It is hate pure and simple. The GOP hates and disrespects women every step of the way!

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:33 PM

62. I've been wondering the same thing.

Or perhaps mini-strokes?

I remember this guy from 'way back when he was a rep because I have an interest in ag issues.

I disagreed with him a gracious plenty, but I don't remember him having a real racist tendency.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:25 AM

16. In a sane party, this would be the kind of rhetoric that would cause folks to call for you to resign

In the GOP, they celebrate this kind of shit.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:16 PM

47. Sadly true.

This will get him more votes.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:25 AM

17. It works both ways right?

 

Can a Native American, or African American, or an American Woman get a fair trial if the jury is all white men?

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Response to Prog_gun_owner (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:29 AM

20. b i n g o


but of course!



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Response to Prog_gun_owner (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:55 PM

52. What does the jury pool look like

Is it 100% white, doubtful. What about the jury pool on a reservation? 100% Native-American, probably. Which pool is the least discriminatory? Where in the US can you find a 100% white jury pool?

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Response to Peregrine (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:49 PM

58. There are probably places in Vermont and Maine, both of which are about 98% white.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:25 AM

18. It used to be . . .

That public service was an honorable aspiration requiring a modicum of integrity and at least a few working brain cells. Now we get boneheads like this old fossil. What happened?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:26 AM

19. So using his logic.....

A "jury of your peers" should mean you can only be judged by those of the same gender and ethnic background, or is a cultural thing? Maybe rapists, pedophiles and homophobes should only have other rapists, pedophiles and homophobes on their juries, we want a "fair" trial after all.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:45 AM

24. Thank you, AH for bringing Grassley's comments to the forefront.

We need to see the stupid!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:58 AM

26. Why does the state that kept re-electing Tom Harkin keep re-electing THIS guy?

I still don't even get how he beat John Culver back in '78.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:22 AM

28. -

Some of it is regional demographics. Western IA is in the bag for crazies like Grassley and Steve King. Central/Eastern IA, where the big cities are located, are more liberal. That's not all of it though.

Bruce Braley is a liberal guy. I'm very proud to vote for him and have met him a few times at local gatherings in his honor. He's been elected/re-elected 4 times ('06, '08, '10, '12). Before Braley we had republican douche Jim Nussle, of whom it seemed we would NEVER(!) be rid. Well, Nussle ran for governor and Braley got his seat when the R brand was in the toilet in '06 (and Nussle lost the governorship to total zero Chet Culver for the same reason). My point is, I don't know that we would have ever gotten rid of Nussle had he not ran for governor. I sometimes wonder if we'd have ever gotten rid of Branstad had he not stepped down in '98 too. I feel like we'll never be rid of him again, as he has now been governor of my state for 18/19 years (he's on his fifth 4-year term). He's such a dork.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:11 AM

27. Of course Harkin, a big time lib, is going to retire

Time for this old gasbag to go too. He says a lot of stupid shit. Check out his Twitter sometime. The local paper (Dubuque Telegraph Herald) LOVES his ass (Branstad too). Never a bad word.

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Response to Bigredhunk (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:34 PM

63. Or as I call them, the Teabagger Herald

I have little use for the TH these days.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:08 AM

29. You hit it on the head.

This doesn't even sound racist to Republicans. They're constantly making insults like this and then wonder why minorities don't like them.

I'm guessing that armed robbery or any other crime committed on a Reservation shouldn't be tried in tribal court, either?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:18 AM

30. I am sure he thinks the same way

about other minorities as well. I wonder if he has a pointy hood in his closet?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:25 AM

31. Oh, so he's acknowledging racism? Does this mean he supports changing our legal system

to take racism into account in the REST of the country? I kinda doubt it, don't you? Funny how racism only counts if it effects white guys like Mr. Grassley.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 04:54 AM

32. Grassley is a racist since he surely thinks white juries can try Native Americans "fairly". nt

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:02 AM

34. Grassley is just

 

making my point once again about who the Republican Party attracts. They don't believe in equality for other ethnic groups in America. If you are not a white male, you are a second class citizen. There is a different set of rules for women though. It is like a Pyramid and where you fit on the scale. That is the way they see society. Equality threatens that order.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:29 AM

35. Chuck

Grassley is a racist ass hat with this statement........we always knew he was an ass hat when he was talking to his constituents about the "death panels" killing grandma in Obamacare, but now we can add racist ass hat to that statement.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:00 AM

36. I'm so glad the Republicans are re-branding, aren't you? nt

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:05 AM

37. I guess it's all the scalppin' and fire water drinkin' that done did it to them.

 

Batshit Crazy Asshole.

You people in Iowa proud of this waste of sperm?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:07 AM

38. Hey Chuck, they were here first!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:30 AM

39. Today's GOP keeps upping the ante on stupid.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:58 AM

40. Chuckie is the dumbest US Senator. Everyday his staff

rescues his worthless ass from absolute disaster. His staff director is busier than a three arm paper hanger with two arms tied behind his back.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:05 AM

41. HOW...

 

Motherfucker...

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:08 AM

42. Does that mean that white juries are incapable of fairly trying 'Indians', blacks,

Asians, etc.? Does it mean juries of women are incapable of fairly trying men and vise versa?

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:42 AM

43. If the folks on the res were to put up a 'wall' and keep the whites, etc., out

 

he'd be shouting 'Unamerican' !

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:55 AM

45. Sorry but I have to say it. What an asshole.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:52 PM

46. I'm sure next he will call for the release of all the black people convicted by white juries

by his logic it is unconstitutional.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:23 PM

48. Chuck; you ignorant shit, it's time to retire.

Thanks for the thread, Adenoid_Hynkel.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:17 PM

49. effin' Grassley should read 'To Kill a Mockingbird' to see if he sees himself among

the racists.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:24 PM

50. It must be opposite day. /nt

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:40 PM

51. Someone needs to make a video with all the GOP remarks like this.

There certainly is enough of these instances where if compiled it would put the GOP's ethics as an organization under a bright light for the American public.

The frequency of these type of blatantly racist remarks is alarming and disconcerting at best. I hold the GOP in contempt for their extremely poor leadership on important race related issues. They can not continue to make racist statements on an ongoing basis and then feel like they should not be held accountable for the moral decay that these remarks produce in America's society.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:18 PM

54. Well Mr. Grassley. Then maybe white men should not act in violence toward Native women on the res.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:32 PM

55. Pull the plug on Grassley.. retire, old man!

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:36 PM

56. The corollary of that has been true for 400 years.

That didn't stop the United States, or its predecessors, for one minute of those 400 years. So go to hell, Grassley.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 03:45 PM

57. Hmm. But aren't terrorists from other countries caught here, tried here?

"On American soil, it’s going to be made up of Americans, right? So the non-American doesn’t get a fair trial."

By his logic we can't try any foreign terrorists -- actually, any foreigners at all -- in US courts, and even less so in military courts.

The stupid hurts.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 05:46 PM

59. Yeah, right. Whatever.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:04 PM

60. Grassley needs to be committed to the dementia facility NOW

His convoluted thinking is as bad as my mom's and she has Alz. disease.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:05 PM

61. Assley is a racist buffoon.

Gee, Assley, you think they might have learned that from pasty white folks like you being unfair to minorities throughout the centuries? You fetid piece of shit; your racism and ignorance is astounding.

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:34 PM

64. God, I wish this horse's ass would retire and go back to mowing his fucking lawn already.

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