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Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:35 PM

Scooter Store Raided; Workers told to leave, call FBI

Source: KENS5, San Antonio television station

NEW BRAUNFELS -- Federal and state agencies raided the Scooter Store's corporate headquarters on Wednesday morning as part of an ongoing probe into possible Medicare fraud.

Agents from federal and state agencies gathered in the parking lot in the 1600 block of Independence Drive in New Braunfels around 9 a.m.

They walked inside the smaller building on the south side of the complex and told the employees to gather their belongings and go home for the day. They were directed to leave their workspace untouched.

As hundreds of workers filed out of the building, investigators handed out small white slips of paper with the phone number 1-800-CALL FBI.

Employees in the main, three-story building were told to leave around 10 a.m.






http://www.kens5.com/news/Scooter-Store-raided-employees-told-to-go-home-call-the-FBI-192043121.html

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Reply Scooter Store Raided; Workers told to leave, call FBI (Original post)
hamsterjill Feb 2013 OP
snooper2 Feb 2013 #1
hamsterjill Feb 2013 #3
RebelOne Feb 2013 #53
Javaman Feb 2013 #2
KamaAina Feb 2013 #4
srican69 Feb 2013 #5
KamaAina Feb 2013 #9
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #15
EOTE Feb 2013 #20
Roy Rolling Feb 2013 #21
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #40
narnian60 Feb 2013 #22
sendero Feb 2013 #46
EOTE Feb 2013 #47
sendero Feb 2013 #48
EOTE Feb 2013 #49
sendero Feb 2013 #50
EOTE Feb 2013 #51
LanternWaste Feb 2013 #23
patrice Feb 2013 #30
hamsterjill Feb 2013 #7
MJJP21 Feb 2013 #11
KamaAina Feb 2013 #13
patrice Feb 2013 #29
Historic NY Feb 2013 #6
valerief Feb 2013 #26
patrice Feb 2013 #8
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #12
hamsterjill Feb 2013 #14
patrice Feb 2013 #16
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #24
patrice Feb 2013 #19
msanthrope Feb 2013 #33
patrice Feb 2013 #37
kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #17
PatSeg Feb 2013 #18
gvstn Feb 2013 #25
marble falls Feb 2013 #27
MADem Feb 2013 #28
aristocles Feb 2013 #31
Sunlei Feb 2013 #32
Ian David Feb 2013 #34
patrice Feb 2013 #35
riverwalker Feb 2013 #36
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #38
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #39
Hekate Feb 2013 #41
grantcart Feb 2013 #44
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #42
JeffHead Feb 2013 #43
Locrian Feb 2013 #45
happyslug Feb 2013 #52

Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:38 PM

1. Good, maybe I won't have to deal with their ads anymore

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:40 PM

3. I know.

I think it's about time that this place's less-than-honorable business practices were exposed once and for all.

Will be interesting to see how things proceed from this point forward.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:59 PM

53. Doubtfully. I just saw one of the commercials yesterday on TV. n/t

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:39 PM

2. Freaky. This store had announce that they were laying off folks

earlier this month.

First last year...

Scooter Store cuts 220 workers
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/Scooter-Store-cuts-220-workers-3874803.php

Then earlier this month...

Scooter Store layoffs follow in wake of Round 2 announcement
http://www.hmenews.com/article/scooter-store-layoffs-follow-wake-round-2-announcement

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:47 PM

4. It's about time!

Rackets like that make it harder for people who really need mobility devices to get them approved.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:53 PM

9. Or maybe they need the scooters because of arthritis

extra weight tends to exacerbate that. It's not cool to make judgments like that based on someone's appearance.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:55 PM

10. Many become overweight

because they don't have mobility, the loss of which had nothing to do with weight.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:08 PM

15. I've seen drunk college kids using these in Vegas.

Apparently you can rent them if you are loathe to schlep your drunk ass down the Strip.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

20. I find a lot of idiots make idiotic comments on discussion boards.

It's weird ... maybe if they invested a bit of time learning logic and how to spell - they wouldn't be such idiots.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:26 PM

21. totally agree

These armchair idiots who have a simple solution for everything belong in the Tea Party who have a simple solution for every complex problem. And every solution is that the problem is self-inflicted and if people would just stop being so lazy and pull themselves up by their bootstraps all problems would go away.

Welcome to the dumbing down of America.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:40 PM

40. If only the "good guys" had more guns.

 

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Response to EOTE (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:26 PM

22. +1

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Response to EOTE (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:14 AM

46. Well here is something simple enough for maybe you to understand.

..... Medicare is being ABUSED by the companies that make these devices. Ads touting them are all over the TV. Medicare should not reimburse enough on ANYTHING for ANY COMPANY to CREATE DEMAND using TV ads and then get reimbursed enough to make the device, run a zillion ads and make a profit.

If you understand BASIC ECONOMICS which is not a given of course, you understand THIS IS ABUSE and THIS ABUSE comes out of the benefits that could be paid to people WITH ACTUAL NEED.

Also, the companies that advertise these chairs "at no cost to you" are BREAKING THE LAW as it is illegal for a vendor to pay the deductible.

This entire business is a RACKET and if you don't understand why perhaps you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF.

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Response to sendero (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:10 AM

47. How about you grow a clue?

What I said had NOTHING to do with medicare fraud, it was a reply to an incredibly idiotic and offensive comment. Nothing your asinine sockpuppet says does anything to negate that. If you're going to go on a rant, perhaps you should think of who you're talking to first. You need to begin to educate yourself before you could ever possibly hope to educate others.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:02 AM

48. Practically the ENTIRE INDUSTRY..

... is a fraud, and a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the people riding these things have no medical necessity for doing so. You think that is "an insensitive comment"?
Tough shit, it is the truth.

I'm glad to see Medicare is finally cracking down on this bullshit.

Coming up: a crackdown on similar abuse for diabetes supplies.

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Response to sendero (Reply #48)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:11 AM

49. I'm not cracking down on anything but idiots.

Once again, because you seem to be rather slow, I said NOTHING pertaining to medicare or medicare fraud. I replied to an idiotic comment that, due to professional courtesy, you seem intent on defending. Rather than defending idiocy, how about you try to make yourself a better person? I guarantee that will make you happier than wallowing in more of the same.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:13 AM

50. The fact that you are not..

.. intelligent enough to make the connection is not my problem.

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Response to sendero (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 11:29 AM

51. The fact that you think insults are tantamount to reform

suggest that you are completely incapable of making connections. Nearly everyone here is intelligent and decent enough to know that, but this simple concept eludes you and your sockpuppets. I expect this kind of idiocy from republicans, it's a damned shame I have to encounter it so much here.

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Response to srican69 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:30 PM

23. Much like: maybe if they didn't rush to judgments, they wouldn't...

Much like: maybe if they didn't rush to judgments, they wouldn't look like an idiot...

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:12 PM

30. K&R!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:51 PM

7. I agree.

This has been long in coming. And I think it's been long in coming because of the connections that the owners have, etc. That's JUST an opinion from a lifelong Texan.

I believe they've been skimming Medicare for years.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:56 PM

11. WRONG.

This isn't about denying people who need mobility equipment. This is the NRA of mobility thinking. In their eyes EVERYONE needs a piece of equipment and they know how to use the system to make sure the govt pays for it . I know I was in the business once but I wasn't big enough for medicare to play with so they forced me out. Find the brand of mobility equipment the scooter store pushes as well, as to me their is an unholy alliance here as well. The scooter store never put my brand out there. That should tell you something.

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Response to MJJP21 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:59 PM

13. What makes it harder

is the inevitable backlash that comes when people who really need the equipment are suspected of fraud. And that's probably going to get even worse now.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:07 PM

29. I don't think the people needing things are suspected of fraud; it's the dealers & vendors & such

many of whom are given access to certain markets through health care systems that are designed by Risk Managers.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:50 PM

6. The fraud pertrated on the goverment must be

unfreaking believable.....how many needless scooters did we get billed for.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

26. Probably less than the fighter jets we didn't need. nt

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:51 PM

8. Crony capitalism stealing Medicare funding, from The Nation magazine:

http://www.thenation.com/article/170470/tagg-team-romney-family-recipe-crony-capitalism

Take Leder, Romney’s Boca Raton host, whose Sun Capital firm bought a stake in the Scooter Store last year. The company, known for its ubiquitous television ads promising seemingly free motorized wheelchairs for Medicare beneficiaries, has struggled as the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that governs the programs, implements rules to curb rampant billing fraud. As a CMS report noted last year, 80 percent of the claims for scooters and power wheelchairs did not meet Medicare requirements, meaning that $492 million a year is being improperly spent.


Some of us were wondering why Tag Romney was looking so freaking intense during the 3rd presidential debate.

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:57 PM

12. If people had any idea how much abuse takes place,

they'd go crazy. One of the reason repugs like to freeze hiring, or cut budgets, is to create inefficiencies in government about which they then rant and rave.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:07 PM

14. That's right.

And part of the objective of the Affordable Health Care Act, etc. is to cut medicare fraud. If the Scooter Store has nothing to hide, then they should have nothing to fear in having the FBI investigate.

But I'm guessing there are some sweaty palms about now...

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:09 PM

16. I have seen a few family elders off into the hereafter. MANY families know about what's

happening.

And one absolutely confounding truth about it all is that money doesn't necessarily get what elders need. We've seen rich ones and poor ones pass on in and around our family and the rich ones may have a scooter, but they don't have what they actually NEED.

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Response to patrice (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:41 PM

24. And therein lies the probelm.

Too much abuse ultimately means someone is not getting what they need.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:18 PM

19. Poor patients with scooters and bad food, and 2-3 minutes with a CNA a day, and nothing but the

visiting church service for activities, or chemical restraints instead of assisted walking, or . . . .

The list is fucking endless folks, but everybody's got a scooter.

:shakeshead:

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:37 PM

33. Who names their kid "Take?" Who names their kid "Tag?" Fuck these people. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:53 PM

37. Makes you wonder if they have other names we don't know about, like "His Highness Takes It ALL"

or "Prince Tag Along with Rev. Moon"

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:11 PM

17. The Obama administration has done a great job on fraud in many area...why not the banksters?

I applaud this action. These people have been ripping seniors and disabled off for years and giving Medicare a bad name at the same time.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:15 PM

18. Whenever their ads say, "Don't worry. No forms to fills out.

We do it all for you," red flags go up. I know what consumers go through with these companies. They are lied to and taken advantage of. Meanwhile, the companies look at Medicare as free money and will find ways to get every penny they can.

There are a lot of medical equipment businesses that are ripping off Medicare. Its a really sleazy business and the equipment they're pushing often isn't in the patient's best interests.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:42 PM

25. About time

They tightened up the rules a few years back but didn't really prosecute anyone. I'm not sure if they perpetrated absolute fraud--they did push scooters on people who really didn't need them. I think the fact that scooters that had been delivered to "patients" were showing up on ebay a month later caused the crackdown. I'm sure that some family members with the help of the scooter store knew full well they were going to immediately sell "Dad's new scooter" as they had no genuine need of it.

It looks like besides making scooters loaners rather than giving them to patients, it looks like they delayed full payment for a year which apparently shook up the industry and made it less profitable.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:50 PM

27. All those damn scooter riding Teabillies made me the angriest.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:59 PM

28. And you won't pay a DIME!!!!! Hate those ads! nt

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:27 PM

31. Just called one of their 800 numbers

 

They're still taking orders.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:32 PM

32. finally! This kind of fraud used billions of our Federal money.

and you won't pay a dime!

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:39 PM

34. Damn it, I was going to use those scooters to build a fleet of Daleks! n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:48 PM

35. "EX - TER - MI - NATE - the - Fed."

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:52 PM

36. wonder how much went to Romney

if Leder was a major donor to Romney, and a major stake holder in the Scooter Store, then much of Romneys campaign funds were ripped off of taxpayers?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/10/1142789/-Medicare-scooters-and-Mitt-linked-through-Tagg-Romney-s-crony-capitalism

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:25 PM

38. Hoveround takes me where I want to go

where will it send me...

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 04:06 PM

39. Article: Obama’s Attack on Medicare Fraud Reaps Record Results for Second Year in a Row


Obama’s Attack on Medicare Fraud Reaps Record Results for Second Year in a Row

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251286685




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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 07:25 PM

41. That's Medicare reform I can get behind nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:19 PM

44. exactly and if people listen carefully that is what the President wants to cut

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:04 PM

42. Kick! n/t

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Thu Feb 21, 2013, 11:11 PM

43. This is from 60 Minutes a couple of years ago...

The problem is a lot bigger than just the scooters.



http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6837797n

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:09 AM

45. sounds like the perfect republican business model

create a scam and have government (ie taxpayers) pay for it. Then scream about big government.

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Response to hamsterjill (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 12:31 PM

52. Medicare will only pay for a Scooter if you need it to get around INSIDE your house

My mother 86 and has had a hip replacement. She has some problems walking around her house due to her hip. Under Medicare she can get a Motorized Wheelchair or a Scooter IF SHE NEEDS IT TO GET AROUND INSIDE HER HOUSE. That is all Medicare will pay for, Medicare will NOT pay if you want a scooter to go outside (as shown in the Scooter's Store Advertisements), or to the local store that you use to walk to, to have around if you took a walk and wanted one around in case you had to use it due to your medical condition.

My mother is marginal. She probably can use a Scooter to get around inside her house. A powered wheelchair would be more maneuverable inside the house, but if she wanted to take it outside, the Scooter would be better.

Now, once it is determined you NEED a Power Wheelchair or a Scooter to get around INSIDE your house, you can also use it outside. In fact there is no law that say you can not use in primary outside, as long as you need it to get around some inside. Into this hole is where the Scooter Store jumped in with both feet, and I suspect where it has violated the law. Their ads clearly slow use of scooters outside the home, the ads imply a person can get medicare to pay for a scooter even if use only outside. The problem is that is NOT the law.

A further problem is, I deal with people who need wheelchairs and scooters, powered wheelchairs are preferred inside a home for they are more maneuverable. Scooters are preferred outside the home, for the longer wheel base of the Scooter gives it a smoother ride. In many ways the Scooter Store was on thin ice, many people want a scooter to get around OUTSIDE, but medicare does NOT pay for Scooters that is used exclusively outside. If the Scooter Store had supplied powered wheelchairs instead, they would have a better defense, but powered wheelchairs are not as popular a Scooters for outside use (and when people start looking at powered wheelchairs, they tend to be directed to local suppliers by their doctors and other medical providers). Thus the Scooter Store was aiming itself at those people whose doctors wanted them to walk around their home (and can do so), but wanted to be able to go around outside.

Anyway I have been looking for a Scooter for my mother for her to be able to get outside more, thus unless a doctor decides she needs it for inside use, I will have to pay for it myself. I narrowed the selection to three, the first two I like for there have Pneumatic tires unlike most scooters that tend to have solid tires (Solid tires do NOT give as smooth a ride a pneumatic tire but do NOT need to be kept inflated). The third has solid tires and more usable inside the home.


http://www.spinlife.com/Afikim-Breeze-S-4-Wheel-4-Wheel-Scooter/spec.cfm?productID=95511#.USeq0R3MCEY


http://www.spinlife.com/Afikim-SE-Heavy-Duty/High-Weight-Capacity-Scooter/spec.cfm?productID=95579#.USerRR3MCEY


http://www.spinlife.com/Pride-Pursuit-PMV-Heavy-Duty/High-Weight-Capacity-Scooter/spec.cfm?productID=90374#.USesJh3MCEY

http://www.spinlife.com/critpath/match.cfm?categoryID=63

The Powered wheelchair option I like is one that can be packed in a car:

http://www.spinlife.com/Zip'r-Mobility-Zip'r-PC-Indoor-Power-Wheelchair/spec.cfm?productID=83779#.USeueB3MCEY

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