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Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:48 PM

More than dozen cities in Spain hold protests against part-privatization of health care

Source: Associated Press

More than dozen cities in Spain hold protests against part-privatization of health care
By Associated Press,
Updated: Sunday, February 17, 11:47 AM

MADRID — Thousands of demonstrators marched through the streets of 16 Spanish cities Sunday to protest plans to part-privatize the public health care system, with some questioning the government’s motives.

It was the third “white tide” demonstration in Madrid, named after the color of the medical scrubs many protesters wear. But it was the first time cities other than the capital took part, including Barcelona, Cuenca, Murcia, Pamplona, Toledo and Zaragoza. Protesters marched carrying banners saying “Public health is not to be sold, it’s to be defended.”

Health care and education are administered by Spain’s 17 semiautonomous regions. Some indebted ones, like Madrid, have announced the part-privatization of some services, with some people openly suspicious that the move is more a political-motivated ploy than an attempt to cut costs.

Civil servant Javier Tarabilla, 31, said Spain’s welfare state was being dismantled to be handed over to the private sector.


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Reply More than dozen cities in Spain hold protests against part-privatization of health care (Original post)
Judi Lynn Feb 2013 OP
iandhr Feb 2013 #1
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #2
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #3
iandhr Feb 2013 #5
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #7
SoapBox Feb 2013 #6
happymia Feb 2013 #8
lexw Feb 2013 #4

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:55 PM

1. FYI

This is not an advocacy for privatization.

Some western european countries have a heath care system that is a partnership between the public and private sector.


France for instance everyone pays a 200 euro fee for the public health care insurance.

The public healthcare doesn't not reimburse 100% of medial costs. Most French citizens buy supplemental private insurance to cover the difference.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:11 PM

2. Similar in Holland too

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_the_Netherlands

and part of Spain's system was already using private companies for services : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_National_Health_System

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:28 PM

3. It is easier for the cartel of the international 1% to

profit from privatized healthcare.

That's why there is the pressure to institutionalize private healthcare here and make it look a little like single payer. And that is why there is the push in Europe to privatize healthcare.

Best healthcare I had was in France -- and it was single payer.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:44 PM

5. When were you in France?

When I was there it was a public/private sector partnership.

You had to pay a 200 Euro fee for government insurance. This does not cover 100% of costs. To cover what the government buy private supplemental insurance (I was told that 80% of the population does this)

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Response to iandhr (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:27 PM

7. I was there in the late 1970s.

We had insurance from another European country where my husband worked. The payments come out of your check.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:30 PM

6. Interesting, JDPriestly...

I've got a 2nd cousin, that lives in Paris (duel citizenship) most of the time. While she was here in the states, 2 years ago,
she was diagnosed with a very aggressive type of breast cancer. She carried TWO policies here in the
states but found out that they would pay for the breast removal...BUT, not for chemo/radiation. What the hell?

So, she had to return to Paris, where she got full and complete treatment...cancer free now for 2 years.

We, the United States, are a disgrace with our for-profit health system.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 18, 2013, 12:05 AM

8. contract

Didnt your cousin read the policies? This story seems sketchy.
When purchasing a policy you make choices and price obviously was a factor in your cousins decision. The more you pay the less risk you take. Seems your cousin went cheap.

The problem with our health system is two-fold: Big pharma/Big Medical have control of our govt. Our govt is a puppet. Reimbursements set by CMS(Medicare) have been manipulated by big pharma. Both are guilty though since big pharma would not get anywhere without some entity to manipulate the game. This was not the case before Medicare. Nixons drive to reduce costs via introduction of HMOs in the 70s was another huge problem. This is unfortunately a case of unintended consequences. The intentions were good but the results were/are disastrous. Both big pharma and government are culpable. Growing one only concentrates more power in the other. A sick cycle.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:40 PM

4. Something that is supposed to help heal the sick, is spreading like a virus.

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