Protesters show support for Christopher Dorner

[Redfairen]

Source: LA Times

Dozens of protesters gathered outside the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters downtown Saturday afternoon, holding signs of support for Christopher Dorner, the fired police officer suspected of killing four people.

Those gathered said they were protesting police corruption and the way the massive manhunt for Dorner was conducted. Authorities said Dorner appears to have died from a self-inflected gunshot wound after a shootout with police in Big Bear on Tuesday, ending a deadly rampage that stretched across Southern California.

Protesters said they believed Dorner’s claims that he was unfairly fired from the department in 2009 – grievances described in a lengthy online manifesto that has been attributed to him. Dorner also claimed that he was the victim of racism.

Protesters also said they were appalled by police mistakenly shooting at passengers in two separate trucks in Torrance, wrongly believing Dorner might be in the vehicles. One woman was shot in the back and is still recovering.

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/protesters-show-support-for-christopher-dorner.html

[truedelphi]

1. The Onion had a satirical outlook of the Dorner/LAPD predicament:

Basically the Onion's take on it was that now that the Dorner saga is concluded, millions of Los Angeles residents must prepare for the return of the ferocious LA Police.

[Orrex]

2. It's hard to lose faith in this country, when people can still rally for a vendetta murderer

And honestly, who doesn't love a murderous anti-hero?

[caseymoz]

8. He was no Dexter.

Alas, in real life, poetic justice never rhymes.

[cartach]

77. Hard to lose faith?

Right,if you happen to have psychopathic tendencies.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

3. It doesn't matter what he was, left or right

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He killed FOUR people in cold blood. God, I wish people would have more common sense!

(Thanks to the poster below, I didn't realize he killed two more people before killing himself even though I was following the coverage)

[iandhr]

4. THANK YOU

[geek tragedy]

12. Actually, he murdered four and added himself to make 5. nt

[FarPoint]

15. It appears in retrospect that the LAPD

did the right thing in firing him....overall, he was a bad seed. There had to of been symptoms displayed while he was an officer...

[Fire Walk With Me]

48. ALLEGEDLY. Anyone who believes LAPD part and parcel truly isn't paying attention.

And we have a little thing in this country called due process, in which a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. LAPD's word is dirt; they have zero credibility. It is up to a court, and even those in LA are highly questionable.

It is painfully clear that people in this thread do not know LAPD whatsoever and as such, are truly absolutely incapable of speaking on the subject.

Good Lord.

FULL LIVE VIDEO - 19 Year Old Muslim Shot 90 Times by LAPD

[tblue]

57. I am always suspect of police versions of stories.

I take nothing they say at face value. After Rodney King, and that poor man in NY accosted with a broomstick, and the one in NJ with the Life Alert, and then Troy Davis. Oh and Trayvon Martin. How many others? My gosh! I wish Dorner had not killed those people. Who doesn't? It was a terrible thing that many will never forgive, and that's about all I have to say. Guess I'm just not in the mood to hate tonight. I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[geek tragedy]

60. That person doesn't believe Dorner killed anyone.

Even himself.

[Dan]

82. I understand what you said, and agree with what you said...

Now, reference the LAPD - I have never had any exposure to that respected body of law enforcement officers. I wonder how many that are posting here have had some exposure with the LAPD, and whether their experience was good/bad.

[geek tragedy]

58. Dorner Truthers are equally as scummy as Sandy Hook Truthers.

There will be no trial because he shot himself. A court decision and jury trial is thus impossible.

Because Chris Dorner shot himself and this deprived his victims' families of the right to see him go to trial and face justice.

That does not mean your David Irving style Denialism on his behalf is morally or intellectually supportable.

Just admit you were rooting for him the whole time.

[Buzz Clik]

62. +1

[Honeycombe8]

75. Yes, thank you! It's disgusting what people will support sometimes. nt

[AgingAmerican]

5. I can see protesting the police response...

..unleashing volleys of shots on anyone they remotely believe might have been him. But I cannot see showing any support for Dorner.

[Buzz Clik]

63. +1

[bonniebgood]

76. From one " AgingAmerican to another" I can see myself showing

support for what he claims to be true about the police, and NOT what he did. Now go take
your meds.

[albear]

6. Sorry but NO!

Christopher Dorner was a cold-blooded killer who should have used his energy in a more positive manner. Publishing a list of 30+ people he wanted revenge on is not how we as a civilized society take care of problems. That said, I really believe that the cops, on the other hand wanted Mr. Dorner dead reason they burned him down.

[OnyxCollie]

69. Well, he could have protested the injustices committed by the LAPD

by following the path of Malachi Ritscher.

Who?

Yeah, that's the attention you get if you don't kill a few people in the process.

[zeemike]

7. "Those gathered said they were protesting police corruption"

And the headline?
"Protesters show support for Christopher Dorner"
I guess those protesters did not know why they were there...

[caseymoz]

9. Good point.

Which headline would attract more readers?

[zeemike]

11. And which would be the most divisive?

Hands down, the one they used.

[geek tragedy]

13. It was organized through a Chris Dorner fan page on Facebook

Protesters on Saturday said they organized the event through a Facebook page called “I support Christopher Jordan Dorner.” The Facebook post announcing the protest tells attendees to “keep it PEACEFUL” and to bring recording equipment.

[mimi85]

26. OT howver

is anyone else beyond tired of Facebook? I'm beginning to hate the ubiquitous "like" thumb almost as much as Captchas. Maybe more so. As far as Chris Dorner, too bad the protesters can't find something better to protest against (or for).

[geek tragedy]

27. My employer blocks it, which is probably a good thing. nt

[dlwickham]

29. the OP says that people were holding signs of support for Dorner

seems as if the headline is correct

[geek tragedy]

35. It was organized via a Chris Dorner fan page on Facebook. nt

[dlwickham]

51. fan page?

excuse me while I go throw up

there are some mother fuckers out there

[Catherina]

47. The headline is still a lie. It's totally unsubstantiated by the article content. n/t

[geek tragedy]

53. It was organized by via a Chris Dorner fan group.

They carried signs like "Clear his name."

This is murder groupies latching onto a cause.

[MrScorpio]

10. The cops were hoping that this would all go away with Dorner's death…

Looks like that they're not getting their wish.

[geek tragedy]

14. If you mean a few dozen mentally ill groupies for a mass murder

gathering on a sidewalk, I'm sure they're shaking in their boots.

Note how the protest was organized:

Protesters on Saturday said they organized the event through a Facebook page called “I support Christopher Jordan Dorner.” The Facebook post announcing the protest tells attendees to “keep it PEACEFUL” and to bring recording equipment.

[MrScorpio]

21. They're intentionally confronting the LAPD

Dorner may be dead today, but the people who have to live under police tyranny are using any means necessary to state their case.

[geek tragedy]

25. They're mentally disturbed groupies for a mass murdering sack of shit.

They are no different than the Holmies and the Charlie Manson fan club or Operation Rescue.

Or the fundamentalist nutjobs who love Baruch Goldstein or Osama bin Laden or Scott Roeder.

Anyone who supports a mass murderer because they like his politics is seriously and irredeemably Fucked In The Head.

Sorry if you take personal offense at that characterization.

[MrScorpio]

28. Well, that's a fine way to dismiss them by casting aspersions on their mental health, you have there

But however, when more people are killed and harassed by the LAPD, as they most assuredly will, I hope that you'll find some sympathy for those victims as well.

[geek tragedy]

32. How do you feel about the Operation Rescue people who lauded Scott Roeder by noting

that was trying to 'defend the unborn?'

Because that's the mentality you're trying to defend here. Leftwing Randall Terry's.

Also the mentality of Israeli settlers who have shrines to Baruch Goldstein, and the Palestinians who cheered reports of Seder dinners being bombed.

I have compassion for all victims? The morally depraved fucks in that protest? They're scum.

The fact that they're members of a fan club for a mass murdering sack of shit is all the dismissal these idiots will ever need.

[MrScorpio]

38. Well for one, I don't think the analogies apply

They've stated that they didn't support Dorner's murderous ways. You would have a valid point, if they did…

The Facebook page states: “This is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It’s supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do.”

But they don't.

But they are stating their objection to the way the police have conducted themselves. Dorner was a cop himself, a witness to the LAPD's own actions. It's that witness that they're using to protest the LAPD, not his killing of innocent people.

Also, the protestors have stated themselves that the police are obligated to adhere to rule of law, not conduct themselves as judge, jury and executioner in the streets. It's all right there in the article.

Of course, you have every right to say that it was alright to kill the messenger, the LAPD and their cop friends certainly performed that function. Dorner, the way I see it, was a creation of LAPD, a product of their own violence and injustice in the community. In spite of his murdering people, a separate issue needs to be addressed.

What will be done to stop more Dorners from happening?

What will stop the police from killing innocent people under the color of law?

A lot of people wanted Dorner dead, including the man himself, I suppose. But, as I've said before, folks are making any point that can, even this inflammatory one to shed light on the actions of the police.

Desperate people sometimes do these sorts of things.

I'm not going dismiss that desperation so callously.

“Murder is never right, but neither is the law when it’s unjust,” said Tovar, 18. She said police need to know they “can’t get away with everything.”

[geek tragedy]

40. The Facebook group is called "I support Christopher Jordan Dorner.”

Even Randall Terry didn't go so far as to say "I support Scott Roeder."

And this statement of yours making him some kind of martyr is desperately removed from reality:

Of course, you have every right to say that it was alright to kill the messenger, the LAPD and their cop friends certainly performed that function.

1) Chris Dorner was killed by Chris Dorner, not the police
2) He died in an armed standoff with police because he went around shooting cops and people who were the children of cops, and refused to surrender as was his lawful duty. He did not die because of what he said, he died as a direct result of his own violent path.

Chris Dorner was not the messenger, he was the murderer.


So, you really need to come to terms with reality and facts before making such trivial arguments that sound an awful lot like Randall Terry sticking up for Scott Roeder.

[MrScorpio]

44. Terry and Roeder aren't in question here

The fact that you continue bring them up does nothing more than display the weakness to your own points.

If you can find an example of support by these people for his murdering of innocent people, then you would rightly state that they're the equivalent of people who support Terry and Roeder.

Beyond the title of the Facebook page, which I will admit is quite inflammatory for anyone who wishes to dismiss the point that the LAPD is out control and these people are in the street protesting that one thing, a more nuanced question exists… Why are we letting the police get out of control in our communities and why did the police go through hell and high water to ensure that Dorner ended up dead in the end… Even if Dorner himself wanted the same result?

You're congflating support for Dorner's witness with non-existent support for his murderous behavior.

Where is this support for Dorner's murders that you're saying?

[geek tragedy]

52. Are you seriously wondering why police made an all out effort to catch a well-armed,

well-trained mass murderer who had promised to kill the children of cops as well as cops themselves?

It takes quite a bit of tortured logic to infer that the manhunt was about his policy statements and not his intent to kill and kill and kill and kill.

The cops did not make sure he wound up dead. Only Dorner made that inevitable. Dorner could have surrendered and survived to face trial.

[MrScorpio]

71. What I read in the article…

The protest is against Dorner's treatment by the LAPD prior to his actual murder of anyone and they question the police's actions which led up to Dorner killing himself while the cabin was burning around him after the police set it on fire.

None of the protestors are justifying Dorner's murder of innocent people. Quite the opposite, they've stated that there was no justification for that.

In spite of that, they say that the LAPD is obligated to adhere to the rule of law. Even a murderer like Dorner is entitled to due process.

I believe that the police wanted Dorner dead because he targeted the police and their family members in a misguided campaign of revenge. I also believe that the LAPD would rather have that Dorner not spilled the beans about their own corruption, racism and incompetence.

The protest, to me, is all about not letting the LAPD off the hook and if they have to use Dorner's own WORDS (not to his actions as a murderer) do that, so be it.

Dorner, being an ex-cop, believed that there was no chance of him making it out alive. Whether his ex-cop buddies would do the deed or he'd do it himself, as was the case. His experience as a cop most certainly helped him understand how easy it was for the cops to eliminate him, especially after the cops made damn sure to remove any pesky press witnesses right before they burned the cabin and Dorner's corpse to a crisp.

He's dead either way… So you advocating for his surrender is nothing more than pure naive speculation.

You've yourself stated that Dorner was a threat to police, he made good on that threat. So, why is it inconceivable that the police, in turn, would make damn sure that Dorner would end up a dead man in the end?
That's not the result that the protestors are advocating for, they wish that Dorner the murderer would have faced justice by way of due process and not have died by his own hand after the police set fire to the cabin that he was holed up in.

So, it seems to me that you have more in common with the protestors than you even understand.

Imagine that.

[geek tragedy]

73. For one, note how they say they oppose killing innocent people

but favor "fighting back against corrupt cops."

Which of those two categories do you think the protestors would put Jeremiah Mackay.

The police wanted to stop him. Without further loss of their own life.

[MrScorpio]

74. Opposing the killing of innocent people and the fight against corruption is not mutually exclusive

I don't think that any of the protestors think that it was ok for Mackay to die in the line of duty. Unless, of course, you can point to any of the protestors who have said that it was justifiable for Dorner to kill him.

Can you?

The cops understood how dangerous Dorner was. They trained him.

They responded to that danger in kind, now he's a dead man. I'm sure that they're quite satisfied with themselves.

[goclark]

80. You deserve all those valentines

I agree with you.
I lived in Los Angeles for many years.
Many of his points have validity -- LAPD has been talked about with many of the same things that he mentioned --- by many others.

The African American community in LA has been complaining for YEARS about the LAPD.

[gopiscrap]

81. Well siad

one thing we must remember about...most cops ...they will kill first and ask questions later and then whitewash when they are in the wrong. Many of them are failed sociopaths and this gives them an authority outlet where they can let their rage vent with impunity!

[rocktivity]

64. If they'd explained what led to their decision to burn down Dorner's hideout

instead of denying that they'd done it deliberately in the face of so much evidence to the contrary, it WOULD have gone away. Now they're up to their eyebrows in the biggest public relations nightmare this side of Rodney King.


rocktivity

[MrScorpio]

72. That's a Bingo!

It's going to get really ugly for the LAPD from here on out.

AS it should be.

[cartach]

79. You hope!

Too bad for you and your sick cause that it wasn't done deliberately. Now try to provide us with your so called evidence. You won't because you haven't any.

[rocktivity]

83. Evidence accomplished.

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[geek tragedy]

16. Maybe these sick fucks can join up with Westboro Baptist. nt

[Buzz Clik]

65. Oh, my. Well, that gives it a perspective that nobody really wants.

Can you imagine having your actions linked to the loons?

[geek tragedy]

66. Occupy specifically went out of their way to dissociate their protests

from this clown show.

[Buzz Clik]

67. good move. nt

[geek tragedy]

70. And Occupy ain't no fans of the LAPD, with great cause. nt

[hrmjustin]

17. The man is no hero!

[geek tragedy]

19. My favorite protest signs are "trying to clear your name" and

Clear his name! Christopher Dorner

Clear his name. He's a sadistic serial killer, not someone who files false police reports!

[hrmjustin]

22. Were they not paying attention?

Let me guess, they think the government killed these people and blamed it on him.

[geek tragedy]

24. No, they just don't give a fuck about who he murdered. They're nobody.He's famous, and these people

are star-fuckers of the worst kind.

[AAO]

18. This is a tragedy for all involved.

My first concern is with the victims and their families, of course. But if we are honest with ourselves we will admit that this person - Chris Dorner - is the epitome of every one of us (sans the violence and murder). We all are treading our own "new ground".

This is the most difficult post I've ever made. Peace and love to every one of you!!

No hurting another soul. Just DO IT!!

( i am not now, nor have I ever been affiliated with).

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. Glad they are focused on who this really all about

Not really....

[geek tragedy]

23. First comment in the comments section, via FB:

Kim Olarte
I support Christopher Dorner ... 100% .... R.I.P LAPD Corruption should not be tolerated ! Internal Affairs should do something about LAPD officer that are corrupted. We can't trust LAPD anymore ! We're not safe.
I don't know Christopher but what ever his cause is, he did it for the truth and LAPD is hiding it ! .... I solute you soldier !!!

[dlwickham]

30. Good Lord people are stupid

[geek tragedy]

33. Indeed. nt

[graham4anything]

31. All info on facebook is tracked forever. Zucky made it that way.It's his baby and always will be.

I bet thousands and maybe millions will someday regret what they wrote on facebook along with the pictures they published.

i would myself be concerned about facebook and their ultimate intentions.
facebook reminds me of To Serve Man.

Yet billions flock and tell their most intimate wants and odd beliefs there.

While everyone is on facebook yelling about corruption and authoritarianism and all that,
their words and pix are forever filed, indexed and numbered.
...

the irony is triply delicious.Because how in heck does anyone know???

Everyone assumed Zucky was a liberal, yet he just hosted a mega fundraiser for Chris Chrsistie.

[Journeyman]

34. A decade ago, people were terrified of DARPA & John Poindexter's "Office of Information Awareness"…

And right after "Total Information Awareness" was "squashed," Facebook became available for everyone to freely share much of the information TIA sought.

We needn't fear intrusive Orwellian control. Many of us seem quite satisfied to provide what's needed if simply given the opportunity to unburden ourselves.

[geek tragedy]

36. Rule #1 for Facebook users: You're not the customer you're the product.

Eyes open.

[kurtzapril4]

37. Oh please.

Facebook only has the information that YOU CHOOSE to put into it.

[geek tragedy]

42. That's what that person is saying. nt

[Journeyman]

43. You keep telling yourself that . . .

Social network mining has been useful for control since well before the Cheka began organizing its card catalogs.

Here's but one of many recent articles, this from The Guardian:

Software that tracks people on social media created by defence firm
Raytheon's Riot program mines social network data like a "Google for spies,"
drawing ire from civil rights groups

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/software-tracks-social-media-defence

[kurtzapril4]

45. But if you have minimal info out there

on teh social networks....that's the only information they can access. Unless I hear that facebook has bots/worms/whatever that can get into my computer and steal my info, I'm not going to worry about it.

[Journeyman]

55. They gather it from your social network and make inferences . . .

and with over a thousand posts just here on DU, you've provided more than a little bit of fodder for their engines from just this site. Tack on your online purchases, your Google and Yahoo searches, and your visits to countless websites, and there's even more freely given info from which they can glean a million pieces of your puzzle. Tack on all the posts and touchstones of your extended social network, their purchases and searches and little bits of the growing puzzle, and a picture begins to develop. One in which you-- and all the others whom you contact -- contribute to an ever growing knowledge base.

Oh, and bots & worms on your computer aren't necessary. Why be Orwellian when the offer of a cookie will get some of what they seek far easier and with little fear of exposure? Don't think Facebook has seized watching you just because you've "left the building."

Where else are you dusting your trail?

[DollarBillHines]

39. And to think these people live on the same blue ball as do we.

They drive on the same roads and breathe the same air.

I wonder what they think of Charlie Manson or The Unabomber.

Sometimes, I wish I was an earthworm...

[geek tragedy]

41. Check out the people in this thread saying his death was an example of "killing the messenger"

As if his shooting up the countryside on a murder and kidnapping spree and shooting himself never happened.

[DollarBillHines]

50. ...

Fucking pathetic and terrifying.

As I have said before, there are a lot of folks on this site who have minimal real-world experience.

People who actually believe that it is OK to kill the children of those who may have wronged you, or to murder those who are just trying to do their job. While we rock on the Freepers, there are those here who are just as (whatever).

I have been fricasseed by people here on this very subject.

My favorite was some DUer commenting on my low post count and telling me - because of my low post count - that I obviously do not know what I am talking about.

There was also another poster who had a VN combat ribbon in his whatever. I asked him what would be his reaction if Charlie was cutting his guys up in the bush. Would he shoot back or try to reason with the enemy?

His reply was that I had no idea what I was talking about.

I did three tours.

Some of this shit is thoroughly disheartening.
DBH

[Catherina]

46. What a bunch of bull.

"signs that showed support for Dorner"?

Where?

There's not a single sign "in support" of Dorner in the picture they used and you know they would have had a huge picture if there had been even one.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef017d411a7ba3970c-640wi

All of the statements, all of the anger are directed at the LAPD. "You're either with us or the terrorists" isn't working.

[geek tragedy]

54. Did the fact that this was organized by the "I support Christopher Jordan Dorner"

Facebook group escape your attention?

[skeewee08]

49. They are wrong for that....

He killed innocent people he is not worthy.....

[melody]

56. Where is the support for Detective Jeremiah McKay

... and the other brave people who died trying to bring Dorner to justice after he murdered two innocent people in cold blood? Dorner is their hero? I'm sorry, but that is crap.

[geek tragedy]

59. They are ALLEGEDLY dead according to the DU Dorner Truther brigade. nt

[melody]

84. Oy

[alp227]

61. A better protest would attack LAPD for heavily firing at innocent civilians

rather than diluting that very compelling and acceptable outrage by stamping a cold-blooded killer's name to it. This protest fucks over the fight for civil liberties. No wonder "ACLU" is a dirty word to average Americans.

(on edit) Damn, this article is a new low for the mainstream media. The article doesn't even name ONE example of a "I support Dorner" sign but rather makes the title simply because the Facebook community was something like "RIP Chris Dorner". My point about stamping Dorner's name still stands.

[geek tragedy]

68. The group was "I support Christopher Jordan Dorner"

Other tidbits:

Protesters on Saturday said they organized the event through a Facebook page called “I support Christopher Jordan Dorner.” The Facebook post announcing the protest tells attendees to “keep it PEACEFUL” and to bring recording equipment.

The Facebook page states: “This is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It’s supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do.”

$25 bucks says those folks don't believe cops are "innocent people."

“Why couldn’t we hear his side?”

“Clear his name! Christopher Dorner”

Liliana Alaniz, 40, came with her family -– her mother, sister, nieces and daughters -– from Long Beach to join the protest, which she said was her first.

“I really, really believe he was innocent in the firing case,” Alaniz said of Dorner.

Alaniz held a sign that read, “Trying to clear your name.”

Her daughter, Andrea Tovar, said Dorner “has his supporters.”

“Murder is never right, but neither is the law when it’s unjust,” said Tovar, 18. She said police need to know they “can’t get away with everything.”

[cartach]

78. Dozens of protesters?

Other sources are reporting two dozen protesters at most. And they're probably the crazies from DU who insist on hailing him as a hero.