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Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:51 PM

Russian nuclear bombers intercepted near Guam

Source: NBC

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that two Russian bombers, capable of carrying nuclear cruise missiles, circled the U.S. island of Guam in the Western Pacific this week. U.S. Air Force F-15 jets scrambled from Andersen Air Force Base on Guam to intercept the bombers.

According to one military official, the Russian Bear bombers remained in international airspace, the encounter between the U.S. and Russian aircraft “stayed professional” and there was no incident. The official said it’s impossible to determine whether the Russian bombers carried any nuclear weapons.

U.S. long-range radars and satellites tracked the two bombers as they took off from northeastern Russia and headed south on a long-range flight that required “multiple refueling.” Japan also scrambled fighter jets as the bombers passed near but did not enter Japanese airspace.

Read more: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/15/16978049-russian-nuclear-bombers-intercepted-near-guam?lite

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bathroommonkey76 Feb 2013 OP
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rhett o rick Feb 2013 #2
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #3
cactusfractal Feb 2013 #4
olddad56 Feb 2013 #12
FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #5
Baclava Feb 2013 #6
DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #15
Xithras Feb 2013 #20
jpak Feb 2013 #23
sakabatou Feb 2013 #18
Xithras Feb 2013 #22
Baclava Feb 2013 #33
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #30
Baclava Feb 2013 #32
Light House Feb 2013 #36
slackmaster Feb 2013 #7
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #31
octothorpe Feb 2013 #34
olddad56 Feb 2013 #8
Socal31 Feb 2013 #9
olddad56 Feb 2013 #11
Socal31 Feb 2013 #13
olddad56 Feb 2013 #16
Socal31 Feb 2013 #17
olddad56 Feb 2013 #19
Socal31 Feb 2013 #21
olddad56 Feb 2013 #27
Socal31 Feb 2013 #28
davidpdx Feb 2013 #10
Mnpaul Feb 2013 #14
truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #24
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #25
Socal31 Feb 2013 #29
littlemissmartypants Feb 2013 #26
Ash_F Feb 2013 #35

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:58 PM

2. They were just checking to see if we were awake. Thank Dog Georgie Bush wasnt in charge. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:00 PM

3. It happened regularly under him too

Everyone involved pretty much treats it as surprise training at this point. The USAF gets to practice a scramble and intercept, the Russian bomber pilots get some flight time, everyone gets to see everyone else's reaction time and methods, and nobody gets shot up.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:46 PM

4. We've played this game for decades...

In the 80s they would get too close to a carrier group's CAP and have to be escorted away by F-14s, sometimes by throttling back and lifting the inboard wing of the Bear, forcing it to bank away. They flip us off, we flip them off, another day at the WestPac office.

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Response to cactusfractal (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 01:00 PM

12. same game in the 60s.

I was stationed in a naval aviation squadron in Japan in the late sixties. As far as the Russians, it was a game. North Korea, different story, they shot down one of our planes off of their coast in April of 69, killing everyone aboard.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:36 PM

5. "A war with no battles, no monuments... only casualties."

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:49 PM

6. Good old Tupolev TU-95's

the old Bears keep on ticking



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Response to Baclava (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:39 PM

15. I thought Bear was the NATO designation of the Tu-20 (?). n/t

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:12 PM

20. The TU20 and TU95 are the same aircraft.

When the aircraft was under development it was known in Russia as the TU-20. NATO picked up on the name and designated the TU-20 as the "Bear".

Thing is, TU-20 was only the development name. By the time it went into actual production, the Russians were using its full and proper name, the TU-95. NATO never updated their designation, so the TU-95 continued to be referred to as the TU-20 by NATO for many many decades. Technically, however, the Russians have never had a production bomber called the TU-20.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:21 PM

23. The props are great radar reflectors too

No stealth here.

yup

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Response to Baclava (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:04 PM

18. From what I know, you can hear them before you see them

Their engines are really loud.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:27 PM

22. Yep. The props break the sound barrier.

The noise comes from the props, and not so much the engines. The tips of the props are moving faster than the speed of sound, while the bomber is only moving a fraction of that speed, so each of the 8 props emits a mini rolling sonic boom as it approaches. Hearing protection is standard issue for the crews.

Great video of a few in action: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=add_1357824243&comments=1

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:36 AM

33. I've read where Navy subs tracked them using SONAR

The harmonic frequency emitted by the contra-rotating props can be picked up underwater, now that's LOUD.

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Response to Baclava (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:41 PM

30. Say what you will...

but they are beauties.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:33 AM

32. they are pretty, to me at least, I used to build lots of model planes as a kid

good old Revell glue, it melted plastic if you used too much, burned good too

fun times



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Response to Baclava (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:50 AM

36. That's not a bad looking bomber

 

although I've always preferred the looks of the B-1B Lancer.



or the FB=111 Aardvark.

la

or even Russia's TU-160 BlackJack Bomber































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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:02 AM

7. They're plotting to capsize Guam

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 07:43 PM

31. ...

I wonder how many will get that.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:25 AM

34. haha! That poor guy is never going to live that down, is he?

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:15 AM

8. what a bogus headline. Nuclear bombers. Oh no lets freak out...

Oh, they were just capable of carrying bombs, and bombs could be nuclear. Just a horse shit story, we fly B52s all over the world.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:26 AM

9. Nothing bogus about it.

I take it you made this statement without actually studying the implications.

Those old Bears didn't fly thousands of miles with only conventional warheads on their cruise missiles capable of 1200 mile strikes.

Nobody should "freak out." But the people obsessed with the ME and the Kardashians are also the people who laugh off a rising China asserting itself, a country who teaches their children from birth the the US is their sworn enemy developing nukes, and Russia asserting itself with cold-war tactics.

Flying near Guam, which we have recently placed B-2s, on the night of the SOTU, was no accident. It was the most dangerous world event since they simulated an attack on Alaska and California in 2009 (where our interceptors are based). Before that it was rolling tanks into Georgia, and the US docking ships there.

We all seem to live in this bubble that rational people have their "finger on the button." But when you leave the world's fate up to mid-level officers flying a plane, shit can happen.

It is bad enough that Boris Yeltsin saved man-kind in 1995, when he was being told he had only minutes to launch a full-scale counter attack on the US.

"This event resulted in a full alert being passed up through the military chain of command all the way to President Boris Yeltsin, who was notified immediately and the "nuclear briefcase" (known in Russia as Cheget) used to authorize nuclear launch was automatically activated. President Boris Yeltsin activated his "nuclear keys" for the first time. No warning was issued to the Russian populace of any incident; it was reported in the news a week afterward.

As a result of the alert, Russian submarine commanders were ordered to go into a state of combat readiness and prepare for nuclear retaliation.

After a while, Russian observers were able to determine that the rocket was heading away from Russian airspace and was not a threat. The rocket fell to earth as planned, near Spitsbergen, 24 minutes after launch.

The Norwegian rocket incident was the first and only incident where any nuclear weapons state had its nuclear suitcases activated and prepared for launching an attack."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident



I am not picking on you, I am just astonished at the indifference people have to the threat of nuclear war. Maybe it is because so many youth can only see you-tube videos of atmospheric tests, so it is like a distant fantasy that can never happen.

A presentation of the horrors of a Trinity, let alone a Castle Bravo, or god forbid a Tsar Bomba, might be needed to remind the world just how scary these weapons are. Edit: And of course I dont mean on people.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 12:33 PM

11. and you know for a fact that this plane was carrying a nuclear bomb

rather than electronic surveillance equipment, like they were 40 years ago when I was flying in US planes doing the same thing off the Russian coast. In those days, Bears and Badgers both were being used for surveillance and flying off of the coast of Alaska almost daily.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:48 PM

13. You were flying B-52s or B-2s?

I'll assume the Russian sub that went undetected in the Gulf last year was surveying the Marine life as well.

How do the Chinese really know that our Ohio/Virginia class subs are carrying nuclear warheads?

None of these games being played right now are being disguised as surveillance. You don't need to fly a plane near Guam to survey it anymore. It was a message, not an attack. But you never want to be caught with your pants down. I would bet my life those planes were armed to their capability and purpose.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:43 PM

16. Yeah, I was flying a B2 in 1968. Way before they were built. In the Navy no less.

Were you flying a B2 or a B52.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:52 PM

17. Exactly.

With brinksmanship between two powers with the ability to either intentionally or accidentally trigger and end to life as we know in within 45 minutes, I will always assume that both sides are always prepared.

Your experience flying makes your opinion no more qualified than mine on the subject. As they are obviously both opinions, I feel the facts that I am using to base mine on are a tad more solid.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:07 PM

19. So if you are so concernd, what are you doing about it? Exactly

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:17 PM

21. Researching and educating myself on world politics from various domestic and international sources.

There is nothing I can do about it, other than try to counter the apathy that modern Western society has toward nuclear weapons and the ease at which an accidental or intentional first strike or perceived counter-strike can happen.

I liken the videos of the Berlin wall coming down to Dubya landing on the aircraft carrier. Most people didn't believe the Bush dog and pony show, but unfortunately it seems many feel a symbolic wall being knocked over ended the constant state of readiness for full scale launches that multiple parties possess.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:20 PM

27. keep up the good work.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:38 PM

28. Will do.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:02 AM

10. According to the source listed on NBC's page

It happened on Feb 12th. The article makes it appear it happened within the last day or so.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 03:23 PM

14. Gotta peddle the fear

Don't dare cut the defense budget or the commies will get us.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:34 PM

24. Japan has fighter jets?

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:10 PM

25. ... Why would that *possibly* surprise you in the least? (nt)

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:38 PM

29. I hope this isn't a serious question.

n/t

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:19 PM

26. They were just checking the fuel mileage. eom

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:16 AM

35. Waste of money for all nations invovled. /nt

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