Burned remains ID'd as fugitive ex-cop Dorner

However my deepest sympathy lies with those who died at his hand. Whatever happened to him, that never justifies taking the lives of others.

Glad you're here. Great post. I think that just really nails it. He was indeed a tormented man. Yet whatever happened to him did not give him license or cover to do what he did.

Just horrible and sad as can be. And traumatizing to so many! I have a friend who has a cabin in Big Bear. He was stuck up there all weekend, very worried, and we down in the flats were worried about him, too! He made it down well before the worst of it started happening. Thank goodness. Hard to get the others who weren't so lucky out of my mind.

The whole situation left me with heartache as well as a reaffirmation that two wrongs never make a right. Whether that is the case here or not.

If he was wronged, I am glad they re-opened the case and hope they can put this contriversy to rest in a satisfactory way. And I thank the courage and commitment of all LOEs who work hard and do a good job when they put their lives on the line to do what they do.

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a person so consumed by their preceived injustices that they must seek revenge.
He caused so much suffering to others we shouldn't even mention his name.

thank you.

the infamous in action. And finding out if this man was wronged is important as whatever his crimes, the whole truth should be made known.

I feel a no mention policy is more appropriate in the case of those stealing valor with tales of false military exploits, or cheat like the gambler Pete Rose, or doper Lance Armstrong.

But thank you for your point of view on this.

What I want to know is did he kill himself, did he die from injuries incurred during the shootout, or was he burned alive?

in the home, especially on the walls etc. That would tend to show whether (a) Dorner either set the fire himself or had plans to set a fire himself and (b) whether police could have reasonably anticipated that the cabin would burn down so quickly due to the use of incendiary tear gas cannisters.

..on the CNN audio.. you can plainly hear:

Deputy #1....."go ahead with the burn".

Deputy #2.. "Burn the MF'er down".

They pumped incendiary tear gas shells into the cabin... just like Waco and Ruby Ridge.
You can bet your last dollar.. the Sheriff set the fire and wanted Dorner to die.

That being said... why were they so desperate to kill this guy? ($1 million dollar reward).

Slightly off topic but realted....Why did Obama sign NDAA on New Years Eve when no one was looking?

Is due process dead? What about the Constitution? Oh I forgot.. the Constitution no longer matters.

"burn the fucker down" or anything of the sort. There were two separate tapes--one where the guys who are getting shot at rant almost incoherently and the other where they say "deploy the burners" and then note that there was a fire, and then note that there was a gunshot from inside the cabin.

(B) You are pushing McVeigh talking points by citing Waco and Ruby Ridge, especially since the Waco fire was started by the Davidians. And then the off-topic bleat about Obama signing a bill on New Year's day.

I think it's cute how you Militia/Prepper/Gungeoneer types

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=47584
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022000586#post32
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021980846#post93

are joining forces with your counterparts on the left over this issue, though.

P.S. Not everything you read on Infowars is true.

However, I don't aprove of the tactic the police used in that situation.

If so, I wonder what they thought of his rampage.

my post (above, now deleted) would *still* probably have been misinterpreted...