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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:05 PM

 

G.O.P. Senators Block Vote on Defense Post for Hagel

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Source: New York Times

Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a vote to confirm former Senator Chuck Hagel as secretary of defense, arguing that Democrats were trying to rush a choice that they needed more time to consider.

In a 58-to-40 vote that broke down almost strictly along party lines, Mr. Hagel, a Republican, fell just short of the 60 votes needed to cut off debate and clear the way for final consideration of his nomination. Republicans said they intended to allow a vote on their former colleague when the Senate returns from a break in 10 days, but Democrats said the Republican position amounted to a historic filibuster of the nominee for a post that is usually filled with bipartisan support.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/us/politics/leading-senate-republicans-set-to-block-hagel.html?_r=0




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Reply G.O.P. Senators Block Vote on Defense Post for Hagel (Original post)
michigandem58 Feb 2013 OP
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #1
meow2u3 Feb 2013 #7
gateley Feb 2013 #16
Inuca Feb 2013 #46
gateley Feb 2013 #47
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #2
WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #5
alp227 Feb 2013 #23
valerief Feb 2013 #24
MessiahRp Feb 2013 #27
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #29
denverbill Feb 2013 #3
Purveyor Feb 2013 #22
yellowcanine Feb 2013 #4
WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #6
nikto Feb 2013 #8
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #9
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #10
life long demo Feb 2013 #11
bamacrat Feb 2013 #12
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deathrind Feb 2013 #14
eggplant Feb 2013 #15
broadcaster75201 Feb 2013 #17
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #18
d_b Feb 2013 #19
CreekDog Feb 2013 #20
obxhead Feb 2013 #33
DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #21
caraher Feb 2013 #25
sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #26
high density Feb 2013 #28
olddad56 Feb 2013 #30
SCVDem Feb 2013 #31
oldandhappy Feb 2013 #32
The Wizard Feb 2013 #34
0rganism Feb 2013 #36
The Wizard Feb 2013 #44
0rganism Feb 2013 #35
southern_belle Feb 2013 #37
Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #38
magellan Feb 2013 #39
DallasNE Feb 2013 #40
blue_heron Feb 2013 #41
oldandhappy Feb 2013 #42
lexw Feb 2013 #43
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #45

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:05 PM

1. Ok, who's the idiot

 

that voted PRESENT?

Harry Reid voted NO so he can move it again for a vote - purely procedural.

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:11 PM

7. Orrin Hatch n/t

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:35 PM

16. Meanwhile, his appointment is postponed and as Sen. McCaskill noted, he will

not be in place for a very important conference(?) meeting(?) hearing(?) and it indicates to the world he does not have the support of his country.

So it's more than purely procedural -- it's sending a message.

It's unconscionable -- they are still throwing wrenches in the works to play politics.

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Response to gateley (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:48 PM

46. The meetings

of all NATO defense secretaries taking place next week in Bruxelles.

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Response to Inuca (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:52 PM

47. Yes -- thank you. It's kind of embarrassing that we won't have who will

ultimately be our SOD representing us.

I wish the Republicans would just grow up.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:07 PM

2. I heard that the Senate is on vacation next week ........... WHY??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:10 PM

5. Because they can.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:02 PM

23. What a NATIONAL DISGRACE it would be

to do a recess appt for the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:02 PM

24. +1

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:22 PM

27. Does that mean the Senate will officially be in recess?

If so, it's recess appointment time.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:33 PM

29. +100....yep!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:09 PM

3. Wait a minute. I thought Reid's 'compromise' required the minority to get 41 votes.

It had always been the majority had to get 60 to move, and his compromise was to make the minority get 41 instead.

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Response to denverbill (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:58 PM

22. Here you go on the 41 votes back from Jan. 22nd

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/22/filibuster-reform-is-practically-dead.html

Reid to lay out plans for filibuster reform

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will present colleagues with options for reforming the Senate’s filibuster rules in a Democratic caucus meeting Tuesday.

Reid and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) are close to reaching a deal to speed the pace of work in the Senate, but some of the details remain unresolved.

The agreement between Reid and McConnell is not expected to include the talking filibuster, which would require senators who want to block action on legislation to actually hold the floor and debate for hours on end.

In recent days, Reid has begun to focus on a proposal to tweak the filibuster rule by requiring the minority party to muster 41 votes to stall a bill or nominee. Under current rules, the responsibility is on the majority to round up 60 votes to end a filibuster.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:10 PM

4. Link?

No link as LBN requires.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:13 PM

8. Thank you, Harry Reid...

...you piece of s--t.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:15 PM

9. thanks for fixing the filibuster harry (ass) this is what we get to look FORWARD to

 

for the next 2 years, wait with the gerrymandering make that 4 years. potus' term will be a waste of potential due to harry's 'fixing' of the filibuster. please someone explain how i am wrong so that i dont get too despondent and cynical.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:16 PM

10. If this administration has anyone up for a fight

they should quietly circulate a memo saying that Obama's second choice for SecDef is former Sen Russ Feingold!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:16 PM

11. So what did Reid said about fixing the filibuster?

or rather not fixing the filibuster?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:19 PM

12. This is so stupid.

Our government is an embarrassment to the rest of the world. 58 out of 100 is not a majority.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:24 PM

14. Wow, 58 "Yes" votes still not good enough.

Good job Mr. Reid.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:25 PM

15. offs. n/t

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:35 PM

17. I just don't care

Reid and the Dems could have remedied this with Filibuster reform. If Obama had pushed Reid, he would have done it. They do'nt want anyone approved or anything done? Fine. Quite frankly, I simply do not care one bit.

If you are standing on the train tracks and the train is coming and you don't step off the tracks, you are a fool. harry reid is a fool. They wanna participate in killing America because they haven't got the balls to reform this? F**k 'em then.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:39 PM

18. We need a new majority leader in the Senate

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:48 PM

19. I'm just wild about Haaarrrryyyyyyyy!!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:52 PM

20. they need to stay in session, in DC and with each other until they vote on this

if they go home, so do the troops in Afghanistan.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:32 PM

33. Fuck that,

They need to stay in session 51 weeks a year, 5 days a week.

1 week paid vacation. That's more than far too many private sector workers get.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 05:53 PM

21. Two things

One: if Tel Aviv demands such obedience that Chuck Hagel is not considered enough of a war hawk, it is time to assess just how much control we let them have over us.

Two: they know Hillary is a threat, and they want to drag her before Congress to spoil her before 2016.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:14 PM

25. This stinks, but...

I'm kind of OK with it so long as there's any kind of actual debate about Hagel, however insipid. It's the routine, "just because we can" filibuster that really disturbs me.

We do need to get him confirmed and I don't think there's any chance GOP senators will learn anything about one of their own to justify this delay, but at least they seem to be engaged in some kind of argumentation.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:19 PM

26. The Republican

filibuster is the Democrats insurance policy against having to backup the Presidents populist words with liberal deeds.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:30 PM

28. True

Looks like we have a choice today between corporate party and a very corporate party.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:45 PM

30. Chuck Hagel... You're no Donald Rumsfeld.

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I guess the GOP will only settle for a fucking warmonger.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:06 PM

31. So that's the way you want to play?

Screw what Pelosi said, let's prosecute the Bush administration for war crimes.

Let's extradite Bush and Cheney to the countries who want to try them.

Let's play assholes!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:28 PM

32. please flood emails

to the Senate Republican of your choice to voice your position on this. Makes me sick, but one email will not change history. We have ALL do this!! Please!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:58 PM

34. The Senate rules allow a senator to

paralyze government. Disband the senate.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:44 PM

36. hmm, for some reason that reminds me of...


(0:28-0:50)
Not sure I'd want to come down on that side of things, if you know what I mean.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:39 AM

44. The Senate rules

as they are now constituted have made governance impossible. As long as there's room for abuse Republicans will abuse. If there is no room for abuse Republicans will break the rules and paint themselves as victims and Democrats will cower in the corner in fear of the right wing media.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:40 PM

35. so, Harry, how's that whole "tradition" thing working out for ya?

For the last 2 years, when the Republican senators blocked votes, I blamed them.

For the next 2 years, I blame Sen. Reid. He GAVE them the power to do this, knowing full well how they behaved during the previous congressional session.

"So what the fuck didja think would happen?"

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:45 PM

37. Proud of yourself, Harry Reed???

You jerk! Don't you think the first chance the GOP get's the Senate their not gonna change the Fillibuster rules? If not, you're a fool.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:55 PM

38. An absolute travesty! No one deserves to be SecDef more than Hagel!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:03 PM

39. How I long for the days when this crap shocked me

Now it's just business as usual. Repubs making the US look stupid, Dems letting them. I can only laugh at how predictable it all is after so many years of watching this same circus act.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:15 PM

40. One Of The Modest Filibuster Change Proposals

Was to require 41 votes to block rather than 60 votes to end. Had that modest change passed the "present" vote would have gone the other way meaning that both Hatch and Vitter would have to have actually voted "no" to block this from moving forward. (Reid voted "no" as a procedural matter to allow him to bring this up for another vote later).

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 10:36 PM

41. blame the republicans not harry reid

I know everyone wants to blame Harry Reid. That's like blaming a rape or abuse victim. The democrats need the filibuster if they ever lose the presidency or majority in senate. Yes, it's painful. But the Republicans are the ones who look like a$$holes to the entire country for holding this whole thing up and embarrassing us internationally. And it is interesting, their attempt to try to say this is not a filibuster sounds a lot like their whole "legitimate rape" argument. Filibuster is Filibuster. I do hope the public blasts every single republican senator while they are vacationing! It is insane that they just started the session and they are already going home. What business is run that way.....NONE. You don't go home until the job is done.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:04 AM

42. I am so tired

of incompetence. Now McCain and his lackey say they will vote for Hagel after the ten day break. So what is the difference? Stiffing the president.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 01:09 AM

43. Party of "NO" strikes again.

The same ole, same ole.
Didn't learn anything from the last election.
Why? Because it's the same people in charge. Old habits are hard to break.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:44 AM

45. Party before National Security, yet again.

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