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Thu Dec 15, 2011, 11:59 PM

In Memoriam: Christopher Hitchens, 1949–2011

Christopher Hitchens—the incomparable critic, masterful rhetorician, fiery wit, and fearless bon vivant—died today at the age of 62. Hitchens was diagnosed with esophageal cancer in the spring of 2010, just after the publication of his memoir, Hitch-22, and began chemotherapy soon after. His matchless prose has appeared in Vanity Fair since 1992, when he was named contributing editor.

“Cancer victimhood contains a permanent temptation to be self-centered and even solipsistic,” Hitchens wrote nearly a year ago in Vanity Fair, but his own final labors were anything but: in the last 12 months, he produced for this magazine a piece on U.S.-Pakistani relations in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s death, a portrait of Joan Didion, an essay on the Private Eye retrospective at the Victoria and Albert Museum, a prediction about the future of democracy in Egypt, a meditation on the legacy of progressivism in Wisconsin, and a series of frank, graceful, and exquisitely written essays in which he chronicled the physical and spiritual effects of his disease. At the end, Hitchens was more engaged, relentless, hilarious, observant, and intelligent than just about everyone else—just as he had been for the last four decades.



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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:04 AM

1. Aw shit, another great voice lost just when we need him most. RIP Chris!

You will be sorely missed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:05 AM

2. RIP. He was wrong about Iraq but right about so much

His voice will be missed

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:08 AM

3. Oh, no!

RIP Christopher Hitchens.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:08 AM

4. Oh that's so sad

Last edited Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:09 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

He was always provocative and interesting

RIP, Christopher
whether there's a god or not
may you find peace


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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:11 AM

5. That's really a shame

I liked his unpolished, rough and gruff style. We need more of that in the media today. I've had enough of blow dried journalists with tousled hair.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:12 AM

6. I enjoyed reading "God Is Not Great" and his recent autobiography "Hitch 22"

RIP Hitchens.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:14 AM

7. I just posted about him...didn't always agree but he was an interesting person. ...

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:57 AM

121. Is the thread locked?

Possibly due to all the RUDE comments?

Hitch provided a much needed tone & voice in a society that HATES the raw truth!

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:18 AM

8. :(

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:19 AM

9. RIP

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:19 AM

10. R.I.P. :( n/t

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:22 AM

11. RIP Christopher Hitchens

Can you imagine what he'd have said about the ongoing GOPer presidential clown show?

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Response to Bozita (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:00 PM

61. He'd have picked the candidate most likely to advocate war on Iran

and publicly supported that person.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:23 AM

12. RIP. Though not in heaven as we know that doesn't exist.

What a life. What a thinker. What a writer.

He will be missed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:24 AM

13. Oh no -

His last piece in Vanity Fair hinted this was coming.
I loved his courage to speak out and take on the sacred cows - with such wit and intelligence.
Peace to him and his family.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:41 AM

14. A pity he was a warmonger and a rat

because he was one of the best poison pen writers in the H.L. Mencken style there ever was. I can forgive him the rat portion for that. Not the warmongering.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:51 AM

18. I'm honestly looking for

what has endeared him to so many here and haven't found it. Media voices that sold the public on war don't generally warrant many tears so I'm a bit at a loss.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:02 AM

20. for his more recent stuff, look up his personal experience with torture/waterboarding

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Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:03 AM

21. Will do.

I know I must be missing something. I'll check that out, thanks.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:45 AM

41. Good on water boarding, absolutely vile and despicable during Clinton impeachment circus.

During that period, he was more or less Ann Coulter with a brain.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:15 AM

43. I've read that he disliked Clinton on a personal level

dating back to Oxford days.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:29 PM

107. Actually, his position on waterboarding was that it was torture, but a good idea nonetheless.

He was an asshat.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:53 AM

42. Try reading what he wrote.

He wasn't always completely right,
but he always defended his opinions
with spirit and wit.

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:01 PM

62. That's it? Really? He supported wrongheaded ideas by writing well?

Well, okay.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:12 PM

65. He supported his own opinions by writing well AND speaking eloquently.

You may think some of them were wrong-headed.

So did I.

Well, okay.

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:07 PM

115. People aren't all one thing. These attempts to gravedance are tasteless in my opinion.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:25 AM

47. "God is Not Great" and his Henry Kissinger film endeared him to me

as did his impeccable prose style. It's hard to forgive the warmongering, though, and his sexism was tough to swallow as well. He was a complicated guy.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:53 PM

56. No tears here

He was an extraordinarily talented writer. He spent his life writing on behalf of bad causes. I consider him equivalent to Leni Reifenstal, the Nazi propagandist. He went from Trotskyite in his early career (despicable as that is) to right wing war monger.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:27 PM

106. Well said. Thank you! nt

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:49 PM

116. Aye. I Would Enjoy Reading a Noam Chomsky-Penned Obit

 

Hitchens was a tool who was willingly used to promote the war in Iraq.

"oh, but you must be for the war. Christopher Hitchens is a leftie, intellectual and even he's pro-war."

Load. of. shit.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:44 PM

84. I know. he was waterboarded but still advocated it. he was a nasty conservative but he has a big

following here. Amazing. By the way Etta James is terminal.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 05:36 PM

89. Ahmad Chalabi

 

Hitchens formed his early opinions using information given to him by his friend, one lying-ass bastard named Ahmad Chalabi who the CIA won't even believe anymore.

I think this colored his thinking on the issue overall.

Couple that with his extremely strong stance against totalitariansim, and I can see the reason for his support.

It is possible to disagree and remain civil, and even understand the reasons of those you disagree with.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:42 AM

15. Brilliant- right or wrong.

He'll be missed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:46 AM

16. :(

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:50 AM

17. On waterboarding: "Believe Me, It’s Torture"

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:52 AM

19. as an Atheist, i say Thanks to Chris

and will miss him a lot.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:14 AM

28. Hitchens didn't mind being called "Hitch," but he always corrected people who called him "Chris,"

rather than Christopher.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:07 AM

36. yeah, i was just too lazy to type it all out

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:11 AM

22. Hitchins discusses life and death with Lateline's Tony Jones (ABC Australia)

I couldn't agree with his stance on Iraq, but he was a clever, witty man.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-16/christopher-hitchens-dead-at-62/3735580

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:13 AM

23. R.I.P.Chris

 

R.I.P. Christopher.You will be sorely missed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:15 AM

24. He drank too much, he hated Mother Theresa and Princess Diana, he was insufferable,

but he was never boring.

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Response to MADem (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:24 AM

30. Had he done nothing else,

his exposure of the complete sham that was Mother Teresa, that would have been enough. He did much more.

I did not agree with him on many things.

He said that if you do bad things in the name of religion, you do not get a pass. And that blind faith robs us of our reasoning power, which makes us human.

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 05:39 PM

91. Hear! Hear! Rest in peace, Mister Hitchens.

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Response to MADem (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:22 PM

52. I'd give him 5 for 5 just for what you wrote.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:48 AM

25. Sad day

He was a personality so rare nowadays....a Public figure who lived his personal life in accordance with with his public statements...unlike so many of his opponents.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:10 AM

26. Full of gin...

...but occasionally interesting!

R.I.P. Christopher Hitchens.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:06 PM

92. He was called "a drink-sodden former Trotskyist popinjay" by "Gorgeous" George Galloway,

who disagreed with Hitchens' pro-war stance, to the point that they engaged in fisticuffs!

Never a dull moment...!

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Response to MADem (Reply #92)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:10 PM

93. Nope.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:13 AM

27. I miss ya, Chris...

I'm at a loss for words...He never was.

RIP Chris.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:22 AM

29. RIP - K&R n/t

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:28 AM

31. What a talent gone. Didn't agree with him on everything but man could he write.

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Response to Loudmxr (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:52 AM

35. Oh one more thing he clued me in on the joke about Hugh Walpole

30 years on Christopher talked about the sexual abuse of children in British private school written about by Hugh Walpole.

"I decided to curtail my Walpoling..."
John Cleese in the Cheese Shop Sketch

It is a metaphor for masterbation. Never got that joke until I read CH's book.

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Response to Loudmxr (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 05:23 AM

39. He didn't look all that Jewish?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:59 PM

60. His mother was jewish

& if the mention of that word was what shut down the post above... that would be absolutely shameful.

These jury decisions are making DUers, & DU by extension, look downright ignorant.

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Response to Cherchez la Femme (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:03 PM

63. So what?

What does it mean to "look Jewish" is my question.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 05:38 PM

90. You know. Jews all look like this...



They just have that look, ya know?

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Response to Bucky (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:53 PM

102. Well demonstrated

I'm still trying to understand the "look Jewish" comment.

In light of this post, it makes even less sense to me!

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Response to Cherchez la Femme (Reply #60)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:34 PM

69. Yes, but you dont understand. There is no "looking Jewish" To say there is reinforces a negative

stereotype. There are Asian Jews, African Jews, European Jews, Latin American Jews. THey do not look alike or share common looking characteristics.

The negative stereotype comes from Nazi Germany. http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story3.htm

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #69)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:12 PM

73. Gee, I dunno

DNA? Common ethnicity? What some people wonder about themselves, if they look 'too hispanic, slavic, (Italian, even) etc.';

--as Hitch wondered about himself in the locked thread?

Because this 'area look' happens to everybody in the world, to one extent or another... look up http://hapmap.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/downloads/nature02168.pdf)


Better yet, ask the rabbi I worked for for years, who, when he'd see me yell "There's a WASP! There's a WASP!"

Trying to make ethnicity (for one group or all, I wonder?) politically incorrect?
Good luck with that!

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Response to Cherchez la Femme (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:25 PM

75. Luck is not needed. I've explained to you where the definition of "looking Jewish" comes from

you and others can do what you want with that knowledge.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #75)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:30 PM

77. I, for one, appreciate you pointing this out

The fact that it even needs to be pointed out at a site like this (and the response its getting) is somewhat startling.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #77)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:56 PM

80. Something I was going to add

then felt post was long enough (guess it wasn't)

No, this 'jewish look' didn't start with the Nazi's;
for example:

Dickens wrote about it -- 1800's

English courts wrote about it -- 1700's

Shakespeare wrote about it -- 1600's


Now, it's very true they were pretty much all speaking about Ashkenazi Jews/Ashkenazim, which were by far the most populous in Europe, hence common ethnicity.


As for me, I'm done hijacking this thread;
and still, good luck with that.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:43 AM

33. He was a pain in the ass...I hated him except for when I liked him....

Asshole. I'll miss him more than I want to admit.

He was unique

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:46 AM

50. +1

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 12:17 AM

117. Well said.

My thoughts exactly. He will be missed.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:51 AM

34. Meh, I'll refrain from comment

that's all.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:09 AM

37. RIP buddy.

A sad loss for his family and general sanity.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:57 AM

38. read his last article a few days ago.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:24 AM

40. he will be missed

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:56 AM

44. My criterion for deciding which friends to e-mail the obituary to

The criterion for deciding who to send this to became:

Who did he offend, and there was plenty to go around::

He was an atheist and attacker of Mother Teresa and I think JP2 and author of “God Is Not Great”; formerly a TROTSKYite who later supported the wars on the Falklands and Iraq; attacker on Bill CLINTON and snitch who almost got Sid BLUMENTHAL charged with perjury over LEWINSKY; smoker and boozer (died at 62 yesterday of esophageal cancer) and refused to deathbed-convert/repent. You can decide which facet of offensiveness applies to (addressing my friends: ) you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/arts/christopher-hitchens-is-dead-at-62-obituary.html

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:19 AM

46. Right. I'm wondering what exactly about this guy there is to admire. nt

 

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Response to mistertrickster (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:58 PM

59. Agreed. I suspect that those who are waxing sentimental here

would be grave dancing, had he not been atheist.

Because, other than that, I don't see any difference between him and any other Neo-con.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:58 PM

98. I'm beginning to think that too.

Odd what priorities people have. I'll save my sympathies for the Iraq dead regardless of their religion.

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:33 PM

108. My point precisely. Atheist neocons get a pass.

I'll save my tears for those who died as a result of the war he advocated, thanks.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #108)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 04:35 PM

123. It's not a pass, but rather the ability to criticize the bad and appreciate the good.

I criticized his war stance and sexism anytime either were brought up. Would that I could say the same of believers who are presented with the negative behavior of prominent ministers, priests, etc.

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Response to iris27 (Reply #123)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:56 AM

131. Really? All believers? No believer ever criticizes the inappropriate acts of another believer?

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #131)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:21 AM

133. Did I say "all" believers? No.

But in my personal experience, I have not encountered a believer who praised the work of someone important to their faith in one area, while criticizing them in another area.

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Response to iris27 (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 08:16 PM

137. We do it to Reinie Niebuhr all the time in the UCC.

And don't get me started on how brilliant an ass Paul Tillich was.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:18 PM

138. Well, now I have some examples.

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 04:38 PM

124. Really a reminder of what the community has lost, isn't it?

One thing that could never be said about Hitchens was that his positions weren't thoroughly thought through. Whether you agreed with them or not (and in other areas, I often didn't), it was refreshing to read such a clearly-stated argument, and you usually had to work to strengthen your own positions in response. That's how the evolution of ideas is supposed to work.

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Response to mistertrickster (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 03:01 PM

81. If nothing else, his courage in the face of serious illness

And his opposition to the drug war and other infringements of freedoms.

He was never my favourite person, but I respected his courage, and would never gravedance.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #81)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:43 PM

136. It was his JOB to be controversial.

 

Maybe it was a kind of Dutch courage since he apparently drank most of a fifth of scotch every day . . .

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:04 PM

64. But a great guy nonetheless.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #64)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:01 PM

72. LOL nt

 

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:15 AM

45. From Galloway vs. Hitchens Debating the War in Iraq, 2005

 

AMY GOODMAN: Ok. Christopher Hitchens, when do you think the U.S. troops should leave Iraq?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: I think I can be as precise, though perhaps not as terse, as Mr. Galloway on this point. I should thank him, by the way, for eliciting or allowing me to elicit or you, ladies and gentlemen, to elicit from him what I feared, but didn’t hope. In other words a full declaration of support for the campaign of sabotage and murder and beheading that has taken the lives of brave journalists, demolished — demolished the offices — demolished the offices of the United Nations.

GEORGE GALLOWAY: Are there no depths to which you will not sink?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Demolished the offices of the United Nations and the Red Cross in Baghdad, shot down senior clerics outside their places of worship and continues as a campaign of mayhem to this day. It will be —

GEORGE GALLOWAY: Are there no depths to which you will not sink? You’ve fallen out of the gutter into the sewer.

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: You might all care to remember —

GEORGE GALLOWAY: You’ve fallen out of the gutter into the sewer.

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Response to mistertrickster (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:59 PM

109. Wasn't that...

 

...the debate where Galloway was totally castrated when Hitch brought up his brown nosing with the various tyrants in the region?

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Response to CJvR (Reply #109)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:50 PM

127. That wasn't the debate I heard. I heard Mr. Hitchens get his ass kicked. nt

 

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Response to mistertrickster (Reply #127)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:09 AM

134. Nah...

 



Galloway's hardon for tyrants sent him to the gallows in that one, It was one of the more amusing public castrations by Hitch.

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Response to CJvR (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:31 PM

135. So you like Hitchens, who shilled for the pack of lies Bush sent 5,000 Americans to die for,

 

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and you enjoy seeing Galloway, who was the most prominent voice AGAINST the pack of lies that was the Iraq War, get "castrated?"

Are you sure you're posting at the right place?

FreeRepublic sounds more your speed.

On edit: Galloway doesn't sound castrated when he speaks here--

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:28 AM

48. Hitch told me he would get in touch with me, if there is anything "After".

 

So far, silence.

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Response to comipinko (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:42 PM

70. He's just got his hands full.

 

But then, have you shown yourself skilled enough at clairvoyance to actually see the dead?








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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 11:30 AM

49. Bless his heart...

Bless his heart...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:15 PM

51. That is a low blow.

 

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:33 PM

53. RIP

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:33 PM

54. Rest in peace Hitch. nt

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:43 PM

55. He was never dull or boring.

He certainly had ego. But other than when he used it for 'atheist proforma', it was quite charming.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:55 PM

57. I dooubt those who died in a war he strongly advocated found him "charming".

Seriously. Why is this Neo-con getting a pass?

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:22 PM

66. I'd like to think it's just respect for the recently deceased

But I know DU better than that. I think it's more the case that you can be as right-wing as you like, as long as you're rude about Christians in general and the Catholic Church in particular.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:26 PM

68. Hillary Clinton "advocated for that war" as well.

Seriously.

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Response to PassingFair (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 09:25 PM

105. Not as strongly and consistently as Hitchens.

And she did not defend the atrocities at Abu Ghraib, as Hitchens did.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:29 PM

76. Well here's an idea ...

It is possible to admire certain qualities about an IMPERFECT person. Not everyone (even at DU) base every mood, thought and opinion on the others POLITICS! I really don't think you can blame Hitchens for starting the WAR!

If you demand perfection to your specifications from every human being, your life must be hell.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #76)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:36 PM

83. "an IMPERFECT person"? HA!

You could say the same thing about Dick Cheney, someone who shared Hitchens' murderous goals. There may well be one or two admirable qualities about DICK we're unaware of. Who gives a shit?

They're both vile neocon filth and their deaths do not change that one iota. Are you fully aware the considerable time and tireless effort Hitchens put into championing BushCo's criminal wars?

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Response to CrawlingChaos (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:44 PM

95. I guess I'm not fully aware.

But how much credit are you giving him for the war? Everyone I knew at the time fell for the WMD story. I didn't btw, and lost friends due to it. The true people who spoke out at that time, most notably Howard Dean, were exceptional. I never said CH was exceptional.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #95)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:10 PM

111. So, you're smarter than Hitchens was. nt

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #111)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 05:00 AM

120. I wasn't fooled by the WMD scam.

Were you?

Hitchens voted for and admires Obama. I bet you do too.
Absolve him.

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Response to Why Syzygy (Reply #120)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 10:58 PM

130. I'll hunt up the essay where Hitchens said Ahmed Chalabi was credible. nt

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:47 PM

86. because he was an atheist who spoke out. pure and simple

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apparently that negates a lot of other stuff.

From a purely human point of view, go to what's next happily.

As for the rest, meh.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:14 PM

112. He's not a neo-con nor is he responsible for the ...

...disaster that unfolded in Iraq.

He's not getting a pass. Many of us identify with his passion in fighting totalitarian ideology whether in the form of religion or fascistic governance.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #112)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 01:51 AM

119. He mostly certainly was a Neo-con. nt

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:56 PM

58. A warmongering Neo-Con who wrote well.

I won't miss him.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #58)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:24 PM

67. OK, we get it.

You won't miss him.

Guess what, he doesn't miss you either.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 01:43 PM

71. I disliked him, for the most part, but I grieve nonetheless

 

and I'm sorry for the way he died.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:23 PM

74. Many times (not always) he could write my thoughts more clearly than I could speak them.

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I will lament the loss of what he may have been able to do but will celebrate the works and opinions he has left behind for all of us to consider and ruminate upon. Goodbye Christopher, may the contribution you have made continue to reach developing minds and influence debates far beyond the demise of your physical person.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 02:31 PM

78. Rest in Peace, Mr. Hitchens. nt

 

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:23 PM

82. peace for him.

death being nothing but peace, that's what he's got.

us Atheists will all need to step it up a bit since he's not here anymore.


k & r

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:46 PM

85. RIP Mr. Hitchens.

May you be touched by His noodly appendages.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 04:49 PM

87. Never appreciated his ignorant attacks on those of us who opposed the lies that got us into Iraq.

But I wish his family, friends, fans and loved ones the best.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 05:27 PM

88. Adios, you old scrapper

I disagreed with him more than we agreed, but he always argued well, usually argued fair, and, by God-he-didn't-believe-in, made all of us think.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:36 PM

94. Bright iconoclast, but tough to get past Iraq

There's wrong, and then there's WRONG. He was WRONG on Iraq, and many thousands paid with their lives.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:44 PM

96. I know he was a bit controversial

but I did like him - he's one of those folk who are what they are and make no apologies for it - he entertained me

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 06:56 PM

97. Didn't always agree with you but I certainly respected you

And I know you wouldn't want me to say R.I.P. as we agree that there is no "rest" since there is no "afterlife".

Cheers Chris

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:02 PM

99. He may have been a royal pain in the arse. . .

...but he wasn't boring.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:09 PM

100. esophageal cancer must be a tough one...

Just lost a brother-in-law to cancer of the esophogus at the tender age of 44. Hope they come up with better cures for this one, as it was very rapid with my brother-in-law, Luis. RIP

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:25 PM

101. Damn, not a surprise, but still

I have a copy on my nightstand of Arguably, Essays, by Hitch. I have been reading it this week. Every time I picked it up I was reminded of his impending demise. And now it is so.

He will be missed. Fortunately he left a large body of work that will continue to discomfit the Jesus crowd.

There will, of course, be considerable hate mail directed his way.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 07:56 PM

103. Completely wrong about Iraq but completely right about everything else.

Christ...... he had style. *Panache*.

I'll miss him.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 08:17 PM

104. He was brave enough to take on the MSM and deride Mother Teresa.

He thought her stand on abortion AND birth control as twin evils was brave. The MSM were too cowed to even discuss it...what a bunch of wimps!

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:10 PM

110. He died as he lived...

...fighting against impossible odds.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #110)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:16 PM

114. How did he fight against impossible odds?

He agreed with PNAC and other neo-cons on the Iraq War, along with, sadly, the majority of Congress. He defended the atrocities of Abu Ghraib, and, in common with every Republican of the time, hated the Clintons. None of those things constitute fighting impossible odds. In fact, they come closer to sticking his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing.

And, his fighting against impossible odds at his death is something he has in common with everyone who dies of terminal cancer...or any terminal disease...or by the weapons used to murder Iraqis in the war he argued for.

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Response to Critters2 (Reply #114)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 02:48 PM

122. I'm not arguing with you about it.

You hate him. That's your business.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:59 AM

132. Don't hate him. Just don't love him. Or think he should get a pass on his advocacy for

the atrocity in Iraq, among other things.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Fri Dec 16, 2011, 10:15 PM

113. Goddess Bless Him

Errr... never mind.

Here's to you, Chris!

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 01:17 AM

118. We always lose the great voices right when we need them.

 

Rage Against the Machine stopped making records right when Bush got elected...
George Carlin stopped doing standup...

and now this.

RIP...America is going to hell

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:15 PM

125. “Beware the irrational, however seductive...."

“Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 06:24 PM

126. Hitchens discusses Jerry Falwell with Anderson Cooper. (video)

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:02 PM

128. Christopher Hitchens on circumcision.



I used to hate him, and still disagree with him on many things, but he's kind of grown on me over time.

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Response to CreekDog (Original post)

Sat Dec 17, 2011, 08:24 PM

129. Unlike some on here, he had his faults. Like most on here he had his good side. He was still

a human being and died way to young. I as well as others will miss his banter.

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