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(UPDATE) Dorner manhunt: Confusion over whether body was found

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Source: LA Times

(UPDATE February 12, 2013 8:29 pm PST)

There were conflicting reports about whether a body was located inside the burned-out cabin Tuesday night where Christopher Jordan Dorner was believed to have kept law enforcement authorities at bay.

Several sources told The Times and many other news organizations that a body was located in the rubble. But LAPD officials said that the cabin was still too hot to search and no body has been found.

As authorities moved into the cabin earlier Tuesday, they heard a single gunshot.

According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, fired tear gas into the cabin and blasted over a loud speaker, urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said.

By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard.

As darkness descended on the mountainside, Dorner's body had not been found, authorities said. Police were planning to focus their search in the basement area, the source said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-confusion-over-whether-body-found.html



(EARLIER UPDATE February 12, 2013 7:03 pm PST)
Christopher Dorner shootout: Body found in burned cabin


A body was found inside the burned out cabin Tuesday night where Christopher Jordan Dorner was believed to have kept law enforcement authorities at bay before officers fired tear gas into the structure and stormed inside, a source told The Times.

The body, which was found as officers sifted through the charred rubble of the mountainside cabin, was not positively identified, the source said. The process of making a determination whether the body is that of the former Los Angeles Police Department officer could take hours or even days, the source said.

As authorities moved into the cabin earlier Tuesday, they heard a single gunshot.

According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, fired tear gas into the cabin and blasted over a loud speaker, urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said.

By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/christopher-dorner-shootout-body-found-in-burned-cabin.html



(EARLIER UPDATE February 12, 2013 5:41 pm PST)
Christopher Dorner: Police demolish cabin, hear single gunshot

A single gunshot was heard as authorities moved into the cabin where Christopher Dorner was believed to be holed up.

According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said.

By the time they got to the last wall, authorities heard a single gunshot, the source said. Then flames began to spread through the structure, and gunshots, probably set off by the fire, were heard.

Dorner's body has not been found. The police search will be focused in the basement area, the source said.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/christopher-dorner-police-demolish-cabin-hear-single-gunshot.html

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-confusion-over-whether-body-found.html

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Reply (UPDATE) Dorner manhunt: Confusion over whether body was found (Original post)
avaistheone1 Feb 2013 OP
Cleita Feb 2013 #1
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #3
Ian David Feb 2013 #16
kwenu Feb 2013 #32
0rganism Feb 2013 #2
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #4
ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2013 #6
pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #8
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #11
skamaria Feb 2013 #9
Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #5
llmart Feb 2013 #10
onenote Feb 2013 #7
Purveyor Feb 2013 #12
Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #13
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #30
Mugweed Feb 2013 #39
nc4bo Feb 2013 #14
nc4bo Feb 2013 #17
Purveyor Feb 2013 #18
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #20
Purveyor Feb 2013 #22
nc4bo Feb 2013 #21
cartach Feb 2013 #25
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #35
alp227 Feb 2013 #15
Zorro Feb 2013 #19
ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2013 #23
Bosonic Feb 2013 #24
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #26
avaistheone1 Feb 2013 #28
mwrguy Feb 2013 #27
avaistheone1 Feb 2013 #29
ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2013 #31
Ash_F Feb 2013 #37
bernard516 Feb 2013 #33
lexw Feb 2013 #34
alp227 Feb 2013 #36
heaven05 Feb 2013 #38

Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:41 PM

1. I hope the owners had fire insurance, a possibility that they didn't, since it's in

a fire zone. I suppose the sheriff's department would have to make amends otherwise.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:43 PM

3. They probably didn't have 'police vehicle' or 'deranged gunman'

insurance, but their insurance probably doesn't have exclusions for such events either.

But, at least they're alive.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:41 PM

16. "I have blah blah insurance, cops burned down my house!" n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:01 AM

32. I would not be surprised if it's reported that the destruction of the cabin isn't covered.

The cops are likely also immune from the destruction they caused while in pursuit of a criminal. The owner very well may forced to bear the full cost of bad luck.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:42 PM

2. "Dorner's body has not been found"

uh oh, I hope they find it real soon now

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:43 PM

4. So does every black man over 200 lbs in California. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:49 PM

6. nm

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:55 PM

8. make that any californian adult. male or female.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:05 PM

11. Any human

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:57 PM

9. So does every 100 pound latino news lady. n/t

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Response to Mutatis Mutandis (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:01 PM

10. Says he took his own life.

I figured that's what he'd eventually do once he was cornered.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:50 PM

7. its likely no one will ever know with certainty exactly what happened

Although that won't stop people, including some DUers, from declaring that they know exactly what happened.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:12 PM

12. This report is so counter to the police scanner conversions at the scene that it is amazing they

think they can pull off this bullshit.

According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said. According to a law enforcement source, police had broken down windows, pumped in tear gas and blasted a loud speaker urging Dorner to surrender. When they got no response, police deployed a vehicle to rip down the walls of the cabin "one by one, like peeling an onion," a law enforcement official said.

Read this thread and start around message #154. I heard it live as did many others. They went with the "burn plan"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2360563

Just saying.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:22 PM

13. the CBS LA reporter ended up only 50 feet away, he is live telling all that

 

happened, with video.

see my link above for live video

Seems like it was pure luck and timing that the crew ended up so close, and they are VERY lucky they didn't get shot, as Dorner was using sound suppressors on his rifles, so almost no noise from his shots, thus no idea where the shots were coming from.

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Response to Mutatis Mutandis (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:36 AM

30. Almost no noise?

I didn't think this shootout occurred in a Hollywood backstage...

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Response to Mutatis Mutandis (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:44 PM

39. But they're telling you they heard a shot...

the one he used to kill himself. None of the information adds up. So how many wallets and IDs did this guy have?

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:24 PM

14. I sincerely hope that a thorough record is being made by the online community...

have it include discrepancies between live scanner conversations, the "news" reports, the removal of eye witnesses in the form of news helicopters over the area as well as the scrubbing of twitter feeds and other online messages made by all authorities.

And, let's not forget how innocent citizens were shot at without confirming their ID.

Disclaimer I feel I have to constantly add: I in no way agree with Droner killing innocent people but law enforcement as some questions that need to be answered.

There's some seriously wrong shit occurring and it needs to be stopped.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:43 PM

17. Video/audio says they said Burn it down. What do you hear Purveyor?

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 PM

18. At first I thought I heard them say "go with the bird plan, like we discussed earlier". I thought

drone. Then after reading others, not just on this forum, I realized I was mistaken and it was actually 'burn plan'.

They fucked up, imo, thinking they were talking on a secured frequency.

The news media knows this and are trying a cover-up as they heard the same scanner feed I did sitting up here in Michigan and listening in. (right...no life)

Personally I'm glad he is eradicated but I hate the media 'cover story'.

By morning, I'm sure audio of the scanner feed I heard will be all over the net.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:07 PM

20. Could burners be a reference to tear gas or flash bang grenades?

My main reason for thinking they didn't deliberately set fire to the place is that setting fire to an ammo dump like that would endanger their own safety.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:10 PM

22. Nonsense. If they wanted gas, they would have said 'gas plan'. They didn't know their conversions

were going unsecured.

Like I said, I know somebody, somewhere recorded the scanner feed and this will be documented.

I have no dog in this fight but I do know what I heard.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:07 PM

21. I think so too, it's out there now and recorded for prosperity.

and I agree that he is dead and I too can not stand or tolerate BS stories.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:38 PM

25. Burn plan -

damn good thing!

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:03 AM

35. I listened to that. I can't believe they think they can just buzz by that either. nt

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:06 PM

19. No body has been found

per the police briefing.

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Response to Zorro (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:15 PM

23. no way

the media made something up? get out!

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:18 PM

24. ???

Update on ex-LAPD cop case: LAPD commander says cabin too hot for people to go inside; no body located - @CBSLA

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/301544411337224193

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:40 PM

26. 11:13 PM ET - Body has NOT been found. Please edit your subject line and text of OP.


LAPD refutes reports that Dorner's body was found
11:13 PM ET
Here: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/?hpt=hp_t1

Or do a self-delete on your post.

Thank you.



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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:14 AM

28. The newsreport has been updated.

The media keeps changing their stories re the status of Dorner.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:04 AM

27. Was he given a chance to surrender?

Or just burned out.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:16 AM

29. I don't know if we will ever know the truth about that.

I have heard media reports that the police were not allowing fire crews near the burning cabin...which may simply have been for the fire crews' own safety??

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:51 AM

31. Lol.

Pretty sure firefighters know a lot more about fire safety than police officers.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:49 AM

37. They were probably more worried that Dorner was still around and a threat.

It's not common; they bar paramedics too in cases like that. I remember reading that medics were held back for hours after the shooters killed themselves during the Columbine massacre because the cops didn't know they had turned their guns on themselves. Injured kids and teachers languished in the school as a result. It's a tough decision either way I'm sure.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:07 AM

33. crazy!

typical! we will never know the truth here!

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:18 AM

34. I heard on the radio (around 7pm) that they brought a body out in a body bag. Is this not true?

It's probably because the LAPD is letting San Bernadino Sherrifs do all the media releases, and things are delayed because they are verifying between the two. I'm sure he's done.

He was in a slow decline from two wars: Afghanistan and one with the LAPD. His wife divorced him; he was in his mid-30's and living with him mom and sister, suffering from depression...

But killing folks that had nothing to do with his dilemma is screwed up 10 fold.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:20 AM

36. So did the police media leaks about the body have to do with the sotu?

To get attention off the Dorner case for a while and let it resume once the speech ended?

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Response to avaistheone1 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:40 AM

38. you know

the audio of the cops laughing and joking, saying burn mother......ect, reminded me that this must have been what it was like at a lynching of a black in the early days of our glorious country. The difference was, in those days blacks weren't allowed guns by their massas. I'm glad he had the means not to feel the the burning. Officer Dorner, RIP.

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