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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:40 AM

 

Pentagon urges delay in "devastating" $46 billion budget cuts

Source: Reuters


The Pentagon will have to put hundreds of thousands of civilian workers on unpaid leave, slash ship and aircraft maintenance and curtail training if $46 billion in scheduled spending cuts take effect in two weeks, Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said on Tuesday.

Carter, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, urged Congress to delay the automatic across-the-board cuts known as sequestration, saying: "These devastating events are no longer distant problems. The wolf is at the door."


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/us-usa-budget-pentagon-idUSBRE91B0Z120130212

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Reply Pentagon urges delay in "devastating" $46 billion budget cuts (Original post)
michigandem58 Feb 2013 OP
Owl Feb 2013 #1
wordpix Feb 2013 #51
sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #2
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #33
sinkingfeeling Feb 2013 #40
Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #46
jsr Feb 2013 #3
bucolic_frolic Feb 2013 #5
jsr Feb 2013 #13
KansDem Feb 2013 #16
former9thward Feb 2013 #44
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #32
november3rd Feb 2013 #4
nineteen50 Feb 2013 #6
think Feb 2013 #7
iandhr Feb 2013 #8
mac56 Feb 2013 #9
Lasher Feb 2013 #10
earthside Feb 2013 #20
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #34
apnu Feb 2013 #48
Lasher Feb 2013 #49
DhhD Feb 2013 #11
DhhD Feb 2013 #22
Purplehazed Feb 2013 #27
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #35
Purplehazed Feb 2013 #47
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #50
Zorro Feb 2013 #45
hobbit709 Feb 2013 #12
olddad56 Feb 2013 #14
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
L0oniX Feb 2013 #17
marions ghost Feb 2013 #18
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #19
dotymed Feb 2013 #24
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #31
Sunlei Feb 2013 #21
lark Feb 2013 #23
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #25
bluestateguy Feb 2013 #26
lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #28
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #36
DCBob Feb 2013 #29
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #37
DCBob Feb 2013 #41
SoapBox Feb 2013 #30
jmowreader Feb 2013 #53
docgee Feb 2013 #38
underpants Feb 2013 #43
wordpix Feb 2013 #52
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #54
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #39
brightone Feb 2013 #42

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:44 AM

1. To heck with that. Double it instead.

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Response to Owl (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:56 PM

51. +10000, and cry me a river

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:44 AM

2. Wow! With all those 'brains' at the Pentagon, one would think they could find a way to

to deal with a 7.5% reduction in their budget ($46B/$613B) Like maybe eliminating duplicate stuff and finding cheaper suppliers?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:08 PM

33. How about closing a few of their many overseas vacation destinations and golf courses?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:54 PM

40. Or could we possibly get along without some of the 1500 bases we have in 130 countries?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:30 AM

46. There are lots of people in Okinawa who would agree with you

About 20% of the island prefecture (which is about the same size in area as Washington County, Arkansas) is occupied by US bases, and those have been a bone of contention for decades.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:47 AM

3. The Pentagon spends $20+ billion per year on air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan

$46 billion is a joke.

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Response to jsr (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:53 AM

5. What is it about Afghanistan?

The British fought an Afghan war over 130 years ago.

Dr. Watson served there. A fictional reference point, but
it illustrates involvement nonetheless.

Doesn't any power ever succeed in Afghanistan?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:08 AM

13. Possibly China

They're moving in with their billions to buy the whole place for minerals.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:12 AM

16. It's where empires go to die...

Whether it's the Median and Persian Empires, Alexander the Great, the Seleucids, the Indo-Greeks, Turks, Mongols, British, Soviets, and now the Americans, we all go there to die.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/afghanistan-where-empires-go-to-die/15281

History is repeating itself...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:01 PM

44. The link is incorrect about Alexander the Great.

He was never defeated in what is now known as Afghanistan and he left behind hundreds of thousands of troops and support in several cities he founded there. The Greeks were there for centuries after Alexander died.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:59 PM

32. The British fought a couple of Afghan wars

the first one was in the 1840's and it resulted in one of the greatest military disasters the UK ever experienced; seventeen thousand men, women and children marched out of Kabul, attempting to reach Jalalabad, 90 miles away; of those seventeen thousand? One man survived. The column was cut to pieces by snipers in the mountain passes, killed bit by bit and eventually massacred wholesale.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:52 AM

4. Yeah.

The Pentagon is going to be so crippled by this sequester thing that we might as well just go ahead and shut the whole thing down. Call it damage control.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:53 AM

6. Wars and destruction

before people, nothing changing.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:54 AM

7. Thought we ended a war or two. What's the fucking problem?



But we still get more fucking tanks the army doesn't want or need:

http://www.ourdailythread.org/content/kids-go-hungry-while-pentagon-gets-more-tanks-they-want

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:56 AM

8. We should have listened to IKE

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:56 AM

9. Clear something up for me. The Repos agreed with this way back when, right?

They signed on to it? Even knowing many have military bases and contractors in their states/districts?

Seriously, what are they bitching about? They knew this was coming.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:56 AM

10. War spending more than doubled during Junior's tenure



It's a joke to cut spending by only $46 billion, then whine about it. The Mongol hordes didn't invade us back in 2000 when we were spending less than half as much.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:19 AM

20. Good chart.

And note that it does't include Veteran's Affairs and Homeland Security.

It probably also doesn't include the military spending in the Energy Department (research and nuclear weapons) or the huge amounts spent for 'defense' by the CIA and other such agencies.

We are easily spending over a trillion dollars annually for 'defense'. Much of that is pure gravy and pork for weapons manufacturers and 'defense' contractors and consultants.

Until the people of this country get serious about this money sinkhole, we will never get out of this stagnant economic morass in which we still find ourselves. The federal government has plenty of money -- we don't need to borrow more -- we just need to get our priorities straight and start spending where it will do working and middle class folks the most good.

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Response to earthside (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:11 PM

34. The military is the most socialist institution there is, lol.

 

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Response to Lasher (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:13 PM

48. Its actually worse than that chart.

Because it does not include debt service on that branch of the government. We actually budget about $1 Trillion for the DoD. $300 billion of is is interest payments.

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Response to apnu (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:49 PM

49. There are other costs that should be included, as earthside noted.

Known future liabilities such as Veterans' health care and pensions come to mind. But as long as the same criteria is applied to all years, the chart accurately depicts the trend.

You do make a valid point, though.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 AM

11. Republicans refused to support any job bills over the past four years. Now they will have to vote

on providing unemployment money and services to these workers. They will be blamed for the recession and justly so. GOP will take the shellacking that they deserve in the 2014 campaign primaries and elections.

The taxpayers should now begin to sweep Congress and other lawmaking bodies of obstructionist and lobby gift takers. It is way past time to build the middle class back out. Workers need to be employed in the renewable energy and infrastructure industries. Renewable energy is now less expensive than fossil energy; look at Europe. Close fossil energy subsidies by expiration; a set deadline. Oil companies can reapply. Move subsidies to renewable companies hiring unemployed defense workers.

The tax code needs more changes to help the upward growth of the middle class. A new tax code should be a 2014 Campaign issue. Tax code should include environmental needs; fossil energy, heavy tax, to help relocate coastal settlement. (BP pays money to settle over its destruction.)

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Response to DhhD (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:25 AM

22. Why did US invade Iraq? Future Oil Contracts. Fossil corporation and the MIC owe us.

It is the middle class taxpayers turn to send defense workers and returning soldiers to new employment to rebuild the middle class outward.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:28 PM

27. Defense workers are middle class taxpayers

Thousands of blue collar workers furloughed. Thousands more that work for contractors laid-off. That's probably vastly understating the numbers. DOD departments have already implemented hiring freezes and canceled contracts for things like building maintenance, road repair etc. This is not just the overpaid CEO's and consultants being affected, but every worker, welder, electrician, clerk. It will have a ripple effect in every local economy.

This in no way will "build" the middle class outward!

In essence what the sequester amounts to is a completely un-managed austerity program that will hit the middle class hardest. It is already happening.

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Response to Purplehazed (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:13 PM

35. Oh, so you admit the military is just another welfare program?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:00 AM

47. Hardly

Having a job or owning a business at some point involves providing a service in exchange for pay. Welfare on the other hand is a semi direct payment to an individual because they meet certain requirements. The recipient does not provide any service to the payer.

So no, I'm not saying the military amounts to just another welfare program.

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Response to Purplehazed (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:50 PM

50. Busy work for American youth.

 

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Response to Purplehazed (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:41 PM

45. Yes it will have a seriously negative effect

Indiscriminately taking a meataxe to every program is an extraordinarily idiotic way to "reduce" the deficit, and most probably will increase the overall cost to the nation.

Lots of families will be stressed by having to take a 20% pay cut or lose their jobs altogether.

This impending and totally unnecessary crisis is wholly the fault of the Republicans, although they think they can blame Obama for the impact it will create.

What will be interesting to witness is whether Congress will attempt to exempt their own staff from reductions, because their office budgets will also be affected.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:07 AM

12. dumping ONE aircraft carrier would save them more than that.

Or the V-22, or the F-35 boondoggle.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:10 AM

14. The Pentagon wouldn't feel bad about cuts to SS or Medicare.

I'm happy about any spending cut to the war machine. There is more waste there than anywhere else. They don't just waste money, they waste human lives in the process of wasting the taxpayers money.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:11 AM

15. I think it's the suddenness of the cuts that is disruptive--the Budget Control act

by contrast is 400 billion in defense cuts over TEN YEARS, if I'm not mistaken, and they haven't found a way to deal with THAT yet.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:12 AM

17. Yea I got yer "devastating" right here...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:13 AM

18. A little belt tightening for the military industrial complex

in boom times for them?



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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:16 AM

19. Too bad assholes, you find that 2.3 Trillion you couldn't account for on 9/10/01. nt

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:02 PM

24. Amazing.."they" can afford to lose (misplace..lol)

that kind of money without hurting anyone (especially contractors), yet if they are forced to cut their budget by less than 1/2
of that "loss" then they will make the "lower class" suffer.....fuck them

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Response to dotymed (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:47 PM

31. Fuck them and the LRAD they rode in on. nt

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:20 AM

21. gravy train of billions-for profit private contractors is over, along with constant wars. CUT THEM.

Cheney and the other war profiteers can go look for 'work' in other countries who want to wage 'war'.

God it's hard to get them off the tit of free flowing unlimited American Federal dollars.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:47 AM

23. Yeah, note that the cuts are aimed to inflict maximum pain and minimal gain

Yeah, cut training, but leave in the massive bonuses for the military suppliers. Cut pay raises, but not any military redunduncies. Don't tighten up on stds. to make the vendors actually do their jobs correctly, no, that would not make sense to this crew. Don't pull out of Germany where we spend billions for no good reason these days. Nope, they are deliberately trying to make this painful to the very people who are not causing the ridiculous increases, the service men and women.

They are sickening!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:08 PM

25. DUMP the pampered poodle treatment the 4 stars enjoy

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:10 PM

26. Nothing from the Pentagon is being "cut"

Only smaller budget increases than in years past.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:36 PM

28. We have 177 U.S. Military bases in every country areound the world.

 

Do we really need all 177 bases?

$46 Billion is only a little more that they spend in one moth in the Mid East.

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:16 PM

36. 177 is an estimate - they don't even know for sure how many they have.

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:43 PM

29. Im not worried about our military readiness but..

these cuts will have a major negative impact on our economy. Thousands of companies and millions of jobs are directly or indirectly tied to the Pentagon budget.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:17 PM

37. Yep, about time they think of something more productive to do.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:31 PM

41. Its not just warmongers that are paid from the Pentagon budget.

Lots of regular hardworking folks who just need a job. And no doubt there will be ripple effects on industries and businesses not directly tied to the military. The MIC needs to be cut down but not sure this is the best way to do it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:44 PM

30. The Golf Courses? Are you going to get rid of those golf courses?

Stop the "double-dippers"?

Close some of the hundreds and hundreds of bases that we have ALL over the world?

Cut the pay for the "top" rich and powerful guys?

...I say, LET the cuts go foward.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:22 PM

53. You mean the golf courses that pay for themselves through greens fees?

The first thing I would get rid of is the F-35. At nearly $240 million PER PLANE, an F-35 as much as SIXTEEN F-16s, eight F-15s or four F/A-18s.

The reality: seven and a half percent isn't going to produce a "hollow Army." We learned how to sharpen pencils really well during Reagan's administration, when procurement took priority over operations and maintenance, personnel, and everything else you need to support all the neat shit Ronnie bought.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:30 PM

38. Hundreds of thousands of workers?

My bullshit detector just fucking exploded!

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Response to docgee (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:36 PM

43. I think that is a high estimate but you have to understand how much the South sucks on the teat

Va
NC (though they actually pay more in Fed taxes than they take in)
SC
GA
FLA
Texas (same as NC)

are all dependent on Uncle Sucker money for their economies. THAT is why the Republicans are so fakely enraged by this - they already wrapped themselves in the flag a long time ago.

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Response to underpants (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:58 PM

52. dittos for many western states

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Response to docgee (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 09:29 PM

54. The DOD has 800,000 civilian workers.

Not contractors - Civil Servants. Ship fitters and trades at Shipyards, Engineers and Scientists, Contracts/financial specialists, aircraft mechanics, etc


All are facing a 20% pay cut.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:34 PM

39. Welfare Queens!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:45 PM

42. Cut it NOW

Thatís like a 7% cut. Thatís not devastating at all. We have no realistic threat to our power; we could get by with a third of that budget,really.

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