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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:09 PM

 

Partners of Gays in Service Are Granted Some Benefits

Source: New York Times

The Pentagon on Monday expanded benefits to same-sex partners of military personnel to include a range of services offered at various posts and bases, but it withheld more expansive benefits sought by gay and lesbian couples — in particular medical and dental coverage and housing allowances.

The new military benefits are to become available to same-sex partners of military personnel as soon as Aug. 31 and no later than Oct. 1. They include military identification cards akin to those offered to any dependent, which will be encoded to reflect a domestic partnership.

Specific new privileges will include access to military commissaries, as well as to gymnasiums, movie theaters and various family support programs on bases and posts, and the opportunity to fly on Defense Department aircraft on a “space available” basis...


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/us/partners-of-gay-military-personnel-are-granted-benefits.html?_r=0

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Reply Partners of Gays in Service Are Granted Some Benefits (Original post)
michigandem58 Feb 2013 OP
sakabatou Feb 2013 #1
iandhr Feb 2013 #2
pasto76 Feb 2013 #3
sakabatou Feb 2013 #6
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #7
msanthrope Feb 2013 #5
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #8
MADem Feb 2013 #4

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:22 PM

1. Separated yet equal

Why does that come to mind?

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:46 PM

2. Because progress...

... unfortunately is a slow process.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:26 PM

3. you would prefer NOTHING?

because that what your post says in a thinly veiled manner.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:43 AM

6. Of course not.

"because that what your post says in a thinly veiled manner."


Please refer to msanthrope's post as to what I meant. I don't know why you thought of that.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:09 AM

7. The piece meal way in which the straight community eeeks out bits of equality and gives up

bits of discrimination is every bit as revelatory of the stingy and flinty nature of the discrimination itself as it is a piece of progress to celebrate. The fact that you leap to 'you'd prefer nothing' says it all, because what any human would prefer, nay demand, if full equality, no discrimination, no foot dragging, no piece meal, no retention of some hateful policies.
Equal is equal, and these wee crumbs are not equality, and I am not impressed by those who extend half measures when only a full dose does a thing.
What your post says, in a veiled manner, is 'be happy for the crumbs, you are luck to get what we give'. Is that, do you think, a fair characterization? I think it is as fair as what you said to the other poster, who is calling for real equality...

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:00 PM

5. Little by little, 'til DOMA goes away.

This isn't full equality. Not by a longshot. It's a step on the right path.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:21 AM

8. Not much of a step, so the self congratulations should be mitigated by reality-

"it withheld more expansive benefits sought by gay and lesbian couples — in particular medical and dental coverage and housing allowances."

They refuse important benefits but want to be praised for not barring us from the movie theater. That's the reality.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:57 PM

4. There is ONE law standing in the way of full equality--and it's not the fault of the Pentagon.

It's DOMA. Congress can fix this with a couple of quick votes.

DOMA needs to be repealed. Once it is, all of these restrictions will cease to exist.

The Pentagon is giving what are frequently called "non-command-sponsored" benefits to the spouses of these servicemembers....this sort of treatment is very similar to the minimum services provided to "federally approved" family members who follow their spouses, at their own expense, to non-command sponsored (i.e. "isolated") duty assignments.

They deliberately don't provide family support (housing, schooling, medical/dental) at these places because they don't WANT the family members accompanying the service member.

The Pentagon wants to move forward on this matter but they are constrained by an unsupportable and bigoted federal law. Why can't Congress move forward, too?

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