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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:43 PM

White House: Raising Medicare Eligibility Age Is Off The Table

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Source: ThinkProgress

The Obama administration has ruled out raising the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 as a means of reducing spending, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced during a briefing on Monday.

The measure ó which the President floated as part of a larger deal to reduce the deficit in 2011 ó is widely supported by Republicans, but would only save the federal government a net $5.7 billion, while shifting an added $11.4 billion in health care spending to states, employers, and individuals.

The proposal could also devastate the majority of seniors. While the richest Americans have fared well during the sluggish economic recovery, most Americans continue to struggle with falling wages and job uncertainty. According to a recent report from the Conference Board, 62 percent of workers between 45 and 60 plan to delay their retirements, a stark jump from 2010 ó when 42 percent of workers planned a delay.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/11/1570981/white-house-raising-medicare-eligibility-age-is-off-the-table/



http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/white-house-rules-out-raising-medicare-eligibility-age
The White House bluntly ruled out raising the Medicare eligibility age as part of a plan to reduce the federal debt on Monday.

ďThe president has made clear that thatís not the right policy to take, press secretary Jay Carney reiterated during a daily briefing at the White House.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/white-house-medicare-eligibility-age.php

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cal04 Feb 2013 OP
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #1
Vincardog Feb 2013 #2
zipplewrath Feb 2013 #4
Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2013 #5
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #11
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #35
flamingdem Feb 2013 #3
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #6
Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #40
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #44
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #7
Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #41
Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #46
OKNancy Feb 2013 #8
SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #36
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #43
SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #47
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #48
eridani Feb 2013 #37
forestpath Feb 2013 #9
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #10
forestpath Feb 2013 #12
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #22
forestpath Feb 2013 #24
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #25
forestpath Feb 2013 #31
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #34
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #13
forestpath Feb 2013 #15
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #16
Cleita Feb 2013 #19
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #14
MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #17
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #26
snooper2 Feb 2013 #28
JuniperLea Feb 2013 #29
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #49
JuniperLea Feb 2013 #50
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #51
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #20
Cha Feb 2013 #33
Cleita Feb 2013 #18
Dawgs Feb 2013 #21
bahrbearian Feb 2013 #23
Enrique Feb 2013 #27
JuniperLea Feb 2013 #30
Cha Feb 2013 #32
Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #38
Liberalynn Feb 2013 #39
Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #42
Mutatis Mutandis Feb 2013 #45
wordpix Feb 2013 #52

Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:45 PM

1. lowering the eligibility age to 55 and properly funding it should be on the table.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:48 PM

2. lowering the eligibility age to 0 and properly funding it should be on the table.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:57 PM

4. +1

Bingo. Heck, let employers satsify their health insurance requirement by purchasing a medicare policy for their works. THE public option so to speak.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:59 PM

5. Adding younger healthier people would IMPROVE Medicare's finances because

its main problem is that it covers the oldest, sickest subgroup of the population.

You know, maybe I'm cynical, but I wouldn't be surprised if Medicare is off the table because all the insurance company CEOs phoned Obama and said, "We love having a captive market as a result of the ACA and still being allowed to charge high premiums and impose deductibles, but we do NOT want all those seniors."

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:26 PM

11. well sure, but I'd accept incremental forward progress too.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:18 PM

35. Lowering it to CONCEPTION is the only appropriate action, IMHO.

Single. Payer. Now.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:51 PM

3. This would accomplish exactly the opposite of reducing costs

but they were justifying it with the support for premiums with ACA, meaning, the middle class+ would still pay..

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

6. rasing the cap should help also

where you only pay 108000 towards social security

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:16 AM

40. It's currently $113,700

But it's obvious we will have to raise it to fund SS payments.

However, when you do that, do you allow for higher SS payments to those paying in more? If not, you have fundamentally changed the nature of the program.

Still, Medicare is a completely separate program with completely separate funding.

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

44. Thanks for correcting me ont he payment amount

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

7. The president should order a permanent hold on the DoD budget,

 

reduce it to 1% and order a full governemental audit of the DoD, and remove the pork and the waste.

I bet you DoD budget will drop significantly from 60% of the entire US budget down to 5%.

And we'll still be tops.

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:20 AM

41. Defense spending is less than 20% of the federal budget.

It is less than Social Security. It is less than Medicare + Medicaid. Yes, we spend an awful lot on Defense, but your figures are wildly off base.

Here's a link to a graphic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

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Response to Yo_Mama (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:50 PM

46. that chart is incorrect, as it hides approx. half of the actual war machine/CIA/NSA/DHS total

 

and this is from 2011, so rest assured it is actually higher

The Real U.S. National Security Budget, The Figure No One Wants You to See

http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175361/


What if you went to a restaurant and found it rather pricey? Still, you ordered your meal and, when done, picked up the check only to discover that it was almost twice the menu price.

Welcome to the world of the real U.S. national security budget. Normally, in media accounts, you hear about the Pentagon budget and the war-fighting supplementary funds passed by Congress for our conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. That already gets you into a startling price range -- close to $700 billion for 2012 -- but thatís barely more than half of it. If Americans were ever presented with the real bill for the total U.S. national security budget, it would actually add up to more than $1.2 trillion a year.


Take that in for a moment. Itís true; you wonít find that figure in your daily newspaper or on your nightly newscast, but itís no misprint. It may even be an underestimate. In any case, itís the real thing when it comes to your tax dollars. The simplest way to grasp just how Americans could pay such a staggering amount annually for ďsecurityĒ is to go through what we know about the U.S. national security budget, step by step, and add it all up.

So, here we go. Buckle your seat belt: itís going to be a bumpy ride.

Fortunately for us, on February 14th the Obama administration officially released its Fiscal Year (FY) 2012 budget request. Of course, it hasnít been passed by Congress -- even the 2011 budget hasnít made it through that august body yet -- but at least we have the most recent figures available for our calculations. For 2012, the White House has requested $558 billion for the Pentagonís annual ďbaseĒ budget, plus an additional $118 billion to fund military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. At $676 billion, thatís already nothing to sneeze at, but itís just the barest of beginnings when it comes to what American taxpayers will actually spend on national security. Think of it as the gigantic tip of a humongous iceberg.

To get closer to a real figure, itís necessary to start peeking at other parts of the federal budget where so many other pots of security spending are squirreled away...............................

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full details at the link above

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:14 PM

8. One less outrage of the month for a small but vocal

section of DU.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:43 AM

36. EXACTLY!!

I love how for years folks here on DU cry, spit & scream that Obama will do this & obame will do that & when it turns out they were WRONG they simply move onto another in their long list of everything Obama does is bad.

SAD!!!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:17 PM

43. Social Security COLA indexing is still "on the table", this is not what I voted for.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:32 AM

47. I am permanently disabled & rely totally on SS...

I have looked at the SS COLA Indexing & it is not near as bad as folks here make it out to be..." under three-tenths of a percentage point less each year". Plus, Obama has called for protections for folks like myself & others who need it the most. "The White House reportedly linked its acceptance of the chained CPI with safeguards to protect lower-income and disabled beneficiaries as well as veterans."

The idea that most here have that Obama can get 100% of everything folks here want but he simply chooses not to is ridiculous...At some point there will have to be compromise & this is a compromise I can live with in order to get other more important things we want.

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-best-life/2012/12/19/how-chained-cpi-affects-social-security-cola

It would be nice if we could get everything we want but that is not reality...I will say this, if we don't do anything now then if by chance the GOP gets in full control again then every cut will come from Medicare, Medicaid & SS. I think about this all the time & would much rather try to live with "under three-tenths of a percentage point less each year" than I would begging on the street for food if the GOP gets what they want.

So, you may have principal like I do but principal does not put food on the table & pay medical bills.

If we stand on "principal" we don't compromise & NOTHING gets done...However, if we want progress then we will have to compromise something so what would that be if EVERYTHING is off the table? Sure, it would be nice if all the cuts came from the DOD but we both know that is literally impossible with 60+ votes in the Senate & control of the House.

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:30 PM

48. Obama should scream at the Republicans that SS does not add a penny to the deficit.

 

It should not be in this discussion at all.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:44 AM

37. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people loading the White House email with comments against--

--this had nothing to do with it. Just like Rachel Carson had nothing to do with the recovery of bird populations after DDT was banned.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:20 PM

9. He's putting Chained CPI on the table so seniors will get hurt that way instead.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:26 PM

10. <sigh>

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:29 PM

12. So this article is wrong?

 

Obama and White House aides say the presidentís plan for long-term deficit reduction would increase tax revenue by about $600 billion to $700 billion over 10 years as well as reduce mandatory health care spending, primarily in Medicare, by about $400 billion over the next decade. It would also change an inflation formula that would reduce cost-of-living adjustments for beneficiaries of government programs, including Social Security.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ap-source-obama-to-ask-for-short-term-budget-plan-to-delay-across-the-board-automatic-cuts/2013/02/05/cb1b81e6-6fa8-11e2-b35a-0ee56f0518d2_story_1.html

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Response to forestpath (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:29 PM

22. I'll wait before I jump to conclusions

especially to an article by the Washington Post who is no longer trustworthy.


Besides, the number of people sniping at the President has grown to an all time high, so I try to be as contradictory as possible.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:57 PM

24. It's not just the Washington Post.

 

Or maybe the Huffington Post just made this up

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/11/medicare-eligibility-age-sequestration_n_2663141.html

But while Democrats may rejoice over this new development, they will likely be disheartened by another. Carney said on Monday that the president would be open to reducing Social Security's benefit structure as part of a "big deal" to avert sequestration. That proposal, known as chained CPI, would alter the annual adjustment in how benefits are paid to Social Security recipients by using a less generous baseline of inflation.

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Response to forestpath (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:05 PM

25. Whatever

find someone else who wants to bash the President


Have a NICE day

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:30 PM

31. I didn't "find" you. You posted to me. And I used the Obama administration's own words

 

to back up what I said.

Maybe they were bashing him

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Response to forestpath (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:46 PM

34. Buh Bye

Find someone else to argue with who is interested in bashing the President. I ges you can't read.


And Huffington Poo, give me a break........

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:35 PM

13. Medicare eligibility is a much bigger deal, nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

15. Hurting vulnerable people at all is a big deal, at least to me it is -and I will never gloss over it

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:58 PM

16. Only when you are desperate to defend the indefensible

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

19. He won't when he hears the outcry from across the nation if he does. n/t

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:38 PM

14. The Obama bashers will just find something else to harp about. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:59 PM

17. So you're OK with Obama wanting to stick it to old people dependent on SS. Got it.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

26. That's been predicted about 10 times since Obama took office.

Still has not happened.

Obama's first term was PACKED with predictions of the death of SS. They will continue until he leaves office. And when he leaves office, those who claimed he had an evil intent will take CREDIT for stopping him.

That's my prediction.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:14 PM

28. keep the meme alive!

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:24 PM

29. I'll wait until he actually does one of those things...

That get's the O'Basher's panties in a wad before I allow mine to budge.

But go ahead and hate him based on all the he plans to, he's going to, he wants to... BS we read here and elsewhere every stinking day.

Those of us who understand the difference between wanting to, thinking about, planning on, and actually doing will live longer due to less stress.

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Response to JuniperLea (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:34 PM

49. I will continue to loudly voice my opposition to making any changes to Social Security and the

 

Presidents even mentioning it is a big SELL OUT. Obama's done the bait and switch.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 04:21 PM

50. Wow...

You must have a lot of time on your hands to chase the butterflies of discontent, made up or otherwise.

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Response to JuniperLea (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:40 PM

51. I do, jealous ?

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:18 PM

20. We need comprehensive protection not only for Social Security but for pensions across the board.

Your pension and Social Security are part of the pay you earn when you are younger. They are deferred pay.

We can afford to drone people in Yemen and Somalia, but we can't pay 80-90 year olds enough to keep them in nursing homes?

What kind of country is this?

And by the way, medical care is going to become cheaper in the not too distant future thanks to computer applications that permit your doctor to monitor your vital signs without seeing you -- everything from urine to blood to electrocardiogram tests.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp/50582822#50582822

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:35 PM

33. Oh, I think they'll find a way

to whine about this statement.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

18. Thank God. This will save lives.

Keeping access to health care from older Americans would have cause unnecessary deaths. Now I hope he takes the chained cpi off the table. Then we seniors can let out a sigh of relief.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:24 PM

21. Wow! How brave.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:34 PM

23. They Must have,just now ,looked at the Polls

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:13 PM

27. accurate to say it's been taken off the table

a lot of times there are weasel words, not this time:

MR. CARNEY: Jon Karl from ABC.

Q Jay, yes, can you just clarify for me very clearly -- is the President open to raising the eligibility age for Medicare?

MR. CARNEY: No.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:25 PM

30. I love a good yes or no answer...

But that won't stop the "he plans on, he wants to, he's going to" worriers... ugh...

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:34 PM

32. Thanks cal..


12:30: Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney

http://theobamadiary.com/

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:56 AM

38. Delay to death!

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:12 AM

39. That's good news

Now if he will only back off his willingness to consider Chained CPI in terms of Social Security and other benefits, I will be on the same page as the President and be very happy about it. SS and Medicare should both be totally off the table.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:30 AM

42. But cutting Medicare and SS is very much ON the table

We need to stay alert and ready to lobby the lawmakers over this.
http://thehill.com/special-reports/state-of-the-union-february-2013/282395-chained-cpi-an-economic-moral-disaster

Chained CPI would also be used to raise tax brackets, which would hit lower income working Americans.

President Obama has gone on record multiple times as supporting this, and yesterday's press conference was just one more example:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2013/02/11/for-obama-medicare-age-increase-off-the-table-chained-cpi-still-on/

There is also a relatively detailed plan for cutting Medicare:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/03/how-obama-would-cut-medicare-spending-in-a-deficit-deal/


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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:40 PM

45. 2 words: SINGLE PAYER

 

All else is doomed to end-game failure, on so so many levels. All else is simply putting off collapse, and also condemning millions to premature death and lives of debt-slavery along the road.

The profit motive CANNOT be allowed to stand for health care. But of course it will, till there is nothing left to stand it on.

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Response to cal04 (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 08:41 PM

52. good! Try going for a job after you're laid off at age 60

and see how much employer-sponsored health insurance you'll get

President did right here

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