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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:25 PM

Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil

Source: MSN.com

It's official: The drone war has come home to America. Wanted fugitive Christopher Dorner, the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed the government's fear that Dorner will make a dash for the Mexican border. The fugitive has already killed three people, according to police, and has a $1 million bounty on his head. Dorner, who has military training, is believed to be hiding in the wilderness of California's San Bernardino Mountains, where locating him without air support may be all but impossible.

Read more: http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil



Slippery slope is rapidly becoming a full mudslide.

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Reply Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil (Original post)
intheflow Feb 2013 OP
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #1
razorman Feb 2013 #8
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #9
PatrynXX Feb 2013 #46
heaven05 Feb 2013 #83
Veri1138 Feb 2013 #21
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #24
SCVDem Feb 2013 #35
freshwest Feb 2013 #45
PatrynXX Feb 2013 #47
Ash_F Feb 2013 #49
1monster Feb 2013 #56
AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #66
intheflow Feb 2013 #68
Ter Feb 2013 #67
MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #77
duhneece Feb 2013 #61
Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #84
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #2
intheflow Feb 2013 #11
underthematrix Feb 2013 #12
Veri1138 Feb 2013 #22
jeff47 Feb 2013 #40
Diclotican Feb 2013 #65
joshcryer Feb 2013 #90
freshwest Feb 2013 #92
DarthDem Feb 2013 #3
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #79
Gore1FL Feb 2013 #4
Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #5
Purveyor Feb 2013 #6
underthematrix Feb 2013 #13
Purveyor Feb 2013 #16
cartach Feb 2013 #29
George II Feb 2013 #7
another_liberal Feb 2013 #10
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #14
freshwest Feb 2013 #48
Divine Discontent Feb 2013 #15
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #17
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #19
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #20
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #25
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #26
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #36
Divine Discontent Feb 2013 #91
bubbayugga Feb 2013 #32
Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #33
bubbayugga Feb 2013 #44
marble falls Feb 2013 #63
jeff47 Feb 2013 #39
Grassy Knoll Feb 2013 #18
Gman Feb 2013 #23
intaglio Feb 2013 #38
Occulus Feb 2013 #58
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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:32 PM

1. They are using drones as a search tool

Law enforcement agencies have been doing this for years. They are not going to fire drone-based weapons to kill him.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:39 PM

8. So they say.

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Response to razorman (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:42 PM

9. And so I say.

Prove I'm wrong. Your delusional paranoia amuses me.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:04 AM

46. I'm not one for paranoia thats my dads area but...

so it starts. Drones outside the USA just fine. Drones inside the USA. not good. don't suppose you watched Blue Thunder. Fictional. But the original basis for the item was crowd control so yes it starts..

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:50 PM

83. well

your position is not a stretch. It definitely is within the realm of action by our law enforcement 'authorities'.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:31 AM

21. Yes... but...

 

This is how it usually starts. Step-by-step, until one day... armed drones over American skies.

There is already a discussion of arming drones with "non-lethal" munitions occurring in the law enforcement community. From there, it is a couple of years and next thing you know... you just got a Hellfire dropped on you.

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Response to Veri1138 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:36 AM

24. It's difficult for me to respond to trolls

because they monitor our internet traffic here at the FEMA concentration camp.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:21 AM

35. Can I Play?

Then Skynet comes on line and the drones nuke the world!

We will not shoot at anyone with a drone since there is no point. Police are pretty much just half hour away.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:02 AM

45. OMG.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:05 AM

47. actually I'm thinking your a troll

o_O


perhaps a Government spy to cause a ruckus.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:17 AM

49. You kid now but one day there will be another pub in the WH and it will get that much worse.

Personally I don't mind drone technology. The problem is killing without due process in what is not a war, but a game of bloody political domination. Drones just make it cheaper and easier, not just economically and strategically, but politically. But that's a subject for another thread.

I say use the infrared drones to find him. Someone is likely to get shot if they try to track him on foot.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:06 AM

56. I always love it when someone who has been here for such a short time starts calling

others "trolls" for having reservations about questionable tactics by our government...

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Response to 1monster (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:39 AM

66. x2

 

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Response to 1monster (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:08 AM

68. Yes. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:38 AM

67. People with under 1,000 posts should never accuse anyone of trolling

 

The NDAA is real.

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Response to Ter (Reply #67)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:57 PM

77. D'oh!

But what if the person they're referring to has only 2 posts?



I'm asking for a friend...yeah, that's the ticket. A friend.

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Response to Veri1138 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:57 AM

61. This is how militarization enters the 'civilian' world nt

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Response to Veri1138 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:51 PM

84. And then Skynet goes live

What the government thought was a great idea..

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:33 PM

2. Not 1st time. He's NOT a human target, drone is UNARMED. Thermal imaging cameras are on the drone.



Christopher Dorner, the ex-LAPD cop who allegedly killed three people has been on the run, successfully evading police, for over a week. To finally track him down, it seems that law enforcement is pulling out all the stops. According to the Express, Dorner is now a target for drones, among the first ever on U.S. soil.

The Express quotes a "senior police source" as having said:

The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.


Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, a joint leader of the force tasked with finding Dorner, has confirmed—though not explicitly—and is quoted as saying "We are using all the tools at our disposal." And a third, vague conformation comes from Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio who is quoted as saying the agency is on the "forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement," while declining to elaborate further.

It wouldn't be the first time drones have ever been involved in a law enforcement operation in the U.S. As early as 2011 there was an incident in which Predator drones hunted down fugitives and directly lead to their ultimate arrest. ....

-snip-

http://gizmodo.com/5983175


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:44 PM

11. Agreed the MSN headline is inaccurate, but

given both the carnage Dorner has wrought and the blatant and disturbing lack of judgement being shown daily by the LAPD in this manhunt, I still remain highly skeptical about those drones going up unarmed. Even your link acknowledges we're presuming the drones are unarmed. So I'm bracing myself for a perfect storm, though of course I hope it doesn't manifest.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:48 PM

12. Thank you. I think we need a vaccination against media misinformation and hysteria.

The US has been using heating seeking drones in the drug war for at least a couple of decades. These are as you said UNARAMED drones. With that said, I think law enforcement needs to take whatever action necessary to neutralize the target. He has already killed one law enforcement officer.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:33 AM

22. Why, we'll just...

 

scrap the 4th Amendment for you. And renege on one of the most basic tenants of a civilized society, jury trial, and return to vigilante-ism.

It is, after all, what you are basically calling for. How very civilized of you.

Oh, wait. Obama is already exercising the right of Kings... that of summary execution.

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Response to Veri1138 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:41 AM

40. He's executing people in the US with unarmed drones?

How exactly? Carbon monoxide poisoning?

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Response to Veri1138 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:14 AM

65. Veri1138

Veri1138

"Oh, wait. Obama is already exercising the right of Kings... that of summary execution"

No king in modern time - at least since 1800, have had the right to summary execution of anyone he dislike - in fact, modern kings in most of the world, are symbolic head of states - who have few "rights" outside of what the constitution says - or what the Parliament want them to have.. They even have to play taxes in most cases.....

You might try to read yourself up on modern monarchy before you continue to claim that type of ideas..

I would say - in some way, the Presidency of the US, is far more Imperial than most modern monarchy today.. (The kingdoms of the Middle east and some few ones who are in Asia and in Africa is not in the same way as modern European monarchy)

Diclotican

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:04 PM

90. I remember when Chavez announced "unarmed drones" and people here were defending him.

This is amusing to say the least.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #90)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:59 AM

92. I remember Tim building his drone for OWS NYC livestream and SeaShephard's following whalers.

I don't care for all this stuff... but learned in the 1960s how the CIA could see your face from their spy satellites and how Echelon was monitoring all forms of communication since then and before.

These things percolate into the news and media and people act like it's never ever happened and they are the first to know. Naturally, if one doesn't know the history and turns a blind eye to just how many thousands of people are working in this field and have been for years, not just the evil gummit, they're freaked out.

The movie imagery is repeatedly used by the alternative media to fearmonger and keep people buying guns, ammo, gold and emergency rations. And to keep coming back daily with hearts thumping in anxiety for the big bad EOTWAWKI event that never quite hits.

The next news tibit happens and they gin it up again with screams of how it's all a false flag and they really are gonna come and get us now! You know, 'them,' the black helicopters, drones are the Redux. They have cried wolf way too often to be credible and some of the chief sellers of this also sold people on Y2K EOTW and made a mint off them.

And it's always the evil gummit, does anyone wonder why the JBS is in with them, along with Paulites and baggers? How about the UN? Are they the enemy?

In the meantime the same people who are changing our society with technology are not going to stop doing it - because we want it. In other words, 'We built it.' Everytime we use the technology we love, we add to the global grid of information we claim we hate.

We sign up for everything that comes down the pike and suddenly want to change the rules we agreed to as if we didn't know what it meant. We wail and stomp our feet and say, 'This far, no further! You be monsters!'

Human technology since the atomic bomb and probably before that makes its own rules that laws and regulations can't keep up with. We demand from those who sell these things, more and more.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry can make a drone now. There are news stories about people are making drones and flying them above other people's places, too. That's not the evil gummit! It's us!

The guy who did so many livesteams, he had his own channel named TimCast, he made a drone to fly in NYC. But no one screamed 'Big Brother' and 'Police State' over that.

Who called for Sea Shepherd to stop flying their drones to keep up with the Japanese whaling fleet so they could find and harrass them? Wasn't that cheered?

Who's kidding who here?

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:35 PM

3. Not Even Accurate


And how many times does this has to be explained? The drones ARE UNARMED. REPEAT, UNARMED. They are unmanned, aerial surveillance platforms.

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Response to DarthDem (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:20 PM

79. Thats what drones in Pakistan started out as.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:35 PM

4. The article implied two possibilities

1> Dorner is targeted with weapons so that he may be killed.

2> Dorner is targeted for reconnaissance so that he may be located and arrested


The 1st was implied but never stated it specifically. It's source, however, called it a "spy mission."

I don't take too much of an issue with using drones, helicopters, or whatever as recon in a manhunt of someone this dangerous.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

5. Yup. Nobody could have expected this turn of events.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

6. It would be huge if they used a drone to 'take him out', indeed. I don't think they are that stupid

but I'm witnessing new levels of 'stupid' everyday when it comes to 'our' gov't.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:49 PM

13. yep. I can see how this could seem like stupid when the target

is not in your neck of the woods.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:00 AM

16. So you are good with armed drones patrolling the skies over US soil? eom

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:06 AM

29. Already have armed helicopters

patrolling the skies over US soil as required. What's really the difference? Drones are ultimately under the control of human beings. Much ado about nothing!

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:36 PM

7. He's not going to be making a "dash for the Mexican border" from the San Bernardino Mountains!

Spurious speculation - the "it's official" proclamation is pure uncorroborated speculation.

He's not a drone "target" whatsoever.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:43 PM

10. That was quick!

It's just a matter of time (and not much time either) until they hang a Hellfire under each wing and go hunting for real. That was quick!

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:50 PM

14. They just want to capture him

so they can put him in a FEMA concentration camp.
I'm sure Glen Beck will have the whole story for us tomorrow.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:05 AM

48. I wonder if he and Alex will join forces over this.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:57 PM

15. why are there such confident proclamations about what won't be done?

lol.... history scoffs at you.

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:04 AM

17. Because we understand

that law enforcement agencies are not in posession of armed drones used to kill fugitives.

And the military will not loan them out for this purpose.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:26 AM

19. What if Obama calls him a terrorist?

Somebody would be dead meat then, eh?

Hope here is they catch him alive and too weak to fight arrest.

Still, if the POTUS wants to, he can, right?

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:51 AM

25. Ok, yeah, Obama is cool

But what if George Bush was still in office? Reagan? What happens if another puke makes it in?

And there is nothing in the rules as proposed that distinguishes whether an American is here or there if the POTUS wants him taken out.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:55 AM

26. So post us a copy of these "rules as proposed"

and your source, please.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:26 AM

36. NDAA

Obama said he wouldn't enforce NDAA. But it is law. You do know that, right?

You do know some A. citizens have already been taken out, right? One just a kid, right?

What is your point? That drones would never be misused?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:28 PM

91. good job responding, so I didn't have to. you made good points.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:17 AM

32. you understand nothing.

 

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Response to bubbayugga (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:19 AM

33. Well, it's hard to argue with

a well thought out and documented position like that.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:53 AM

44. If you actually believe what you just wrote, there's probably no point arguing with you.

 

The drones used over US skies are the same drones used in Afghanistan and they're operated by the same people and they very likely will be armed eventually. Why wouldn't they be after all? Posse Comitatus is a thing of the past. The DHS and the patriot act is the present and the future. It's a brave new world.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:11 AM

63. And you "understand" that, how?

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Response to Divine Discontent (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:38 AM

39. Police helicopters are military scout helicopters with the missile racks removed

We've got 50 years of armed military technology in unarmed police use.

If the police are so excited to fire missiles, how come they haven't yet? All they have to do is ask Bell to leave the missile racks on.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:24 AM

18. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh......

Will spin this to misinform their low information voters, and cause mass hysteria,
and not mention these are unarmed drones, used for surveillance.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:34 AM

23. So what's the difference between this unmanned drone and a police helicopter?

It's an airplane rather than a helicopter? What's the difference?

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Response to Gman (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:33 AM

38. No, the low information "Creative Speculators" on this site

use the word "drone" for any unmanned aerial vehicle from the Predator UAV used with weaponry outside the USA to tiny quad rotors and hexacopters that many private individuals buy from the internet. The small rotor vehicles can all be fitted with cheap cameras and most can be made fully autonomous.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:09 AM

58. Um. All of those are, as a class, drones.

I don't know why you're calling the people accurately classifying those devices as 'drones' "low information creative speculators".

That's what they are. A 'drone' is any unmanned vehicle, particularly airborne ones.

I'm waiting for the Authoritarian Follower personality types here to cheer the eventual appearance of airborne microdrone swarms equipped with distributed processing and networking and optical pattern recognition software.

All the technology for that currently fictional surveillance wet dream currently exists. It's only a matter of cobbling it together.

You do realize that the danger of such to the Fourth Amendment- or more clearly, what's left of the Fourth Amendment- is greater, and more insidious, than actually arming the drones being used to hunt this guy down....

.... Don't you?

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Response to Occulus (Reply #58)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:53 AM

60. How is an unarmed drone a greater threat to liberty than

police helicopters?

This is getting into black helicopters levels of the crazy.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:51 AM

62. Your response demonstrates how.

I don't expect you to het what I'm saying. In fact, I expect you to NOT get it.

No, really. Your failure to understand the point I'm making is part of my point. This is one of those times where the argument against, the very failure to recognize the problem, is itself part of the problem.

Maybe my sinus migraine brought on by this shitty-assed weather is making me more opaque than I should be. I'm going back to bed now.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:12 AM

64. Yes, disagreement with you is problematic. It is very disturbing that your profound

wisdom is not universally accepted as the gospel truth.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:50 PM

82. I'd show more respect for your opinion if

in previous responses you have indicated that you do not want legislation governing the use of these machines.

The real threat comes from elsewhere, as I posted on another thread

Now Google "Autonomous Hexacopter" and you'll find a lot of products such as this one the Eye 3 If you follow the text you will see it is pretty much self operating can be programmed to fly a route and had a payload of 5 - 10 lbs. So, for less than $1500 you, personally, can have a semi-autonomous aircraft with a live video feed.

Now let's make it really scary. A simple video camera weighs about 4oz, and a Kahr PM9 with magazine weighs 1lb add in 6 x 9mm rounds and a simple motor actuator to operate the trigger for an all up payload of less than 2lb and you would have your own, private armed UAV.

Hardly likely, I hear you say. except ...



You may not like it but some legal framework has to be established. Without that framework you would either have a free-for-all or else a total ban where even simple RC aircraft would become illegal

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Response to intaglio (Reply #82)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:24 PM

86. Could you clarify your first sentence, please?

I don't believe I expressed any desire for a lack of governing legislation; if I did, that is certainly not what I intended! Allow me to make absolutely clear my own position: government application of these small airborne surveillance devices should be very strictly regulated in accordance with what remaining Fourth Amendment "rights" (scare quotes intended) we still have. An example (and obvious) necessary restriction would be a Federal prohibition on the addition of any weapon loadout when such devices are owned or used by local police departments.

As we can very obviously see from the incidents involving the Hispanic paper delivery ladies and the early surfer, arming these devices in any way and putting them in the hands of local police would be a Very Bad Idea for Everyone Nearby, and should be considered a legitimate issue for anyone with more than two neurons to rub together (not that that's you- see above for cavalier dismissals of such concerns as "the left's Black Helicopters" to see who exactly I'm speaking of).

For the obligatory pop-culture reference, I'm forcibly reminded of the flying security drones employed in "evil" Eureka during that show's final season. That they were employed by a supposedly "trustworthy" AI in that fictional universe does not comfort me when told that supposedly "trustworthy" humans are in control of the real thing.

Then there's the possibility of wireless hacking of the drones' command & control software (only a matter of time, if hacking history is taken into account), which is a whole different animal entirely. Considering the massive, inexcusable, and until very recently completely unknown security hole in the various Universal Plug and Play implementations present in 81 million devices connected to the internet, the possible hacking of these drones is itself a grave concern.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:57 AM

27. i call bullshit.

Misleading post. Drones are being used for survelence and tracking, not weaponry

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Response to veganlush (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:21 AM

34. +1

People are spotting drones like UFOs now. I don't believe any of it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:43 AM

42. There are loads of "drones" out there - if you are paranoid

Some posters on this site refer to any UAV, including privately owned quad rotors and hexacoptors, as drones.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:57 AM

28. They can't properly identify him or his car while on the ground and reasonably up close, but

 

they think they can handle a drone attack without a mistake????? OMFG. Exactly the type of situation that could go really wrong really fast. Furthermore, I seriously doubt the man is anywhere near where they are looking. He has had days to get away from that area and I imagine he was gone well before anyone found his truck or suspected he had been in the area.

On edit and further reading, I didn't realize they were currently unarmed drones, let's hope they stay that way as I have little faith in policing units in SoCal after recent events.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:10 AM

30. Even quicker than I expected (n/t)

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:12 AM

31. This is most certainly not the first time an unarmed drone has been used to locate a fugitive

Misleading headline and hubub about nothing.

I'd be willing to bet my car and every dollar in my bank account he will not be killed by a drone strike like the tin foilers in this thread are raving about. Just watch.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:15 AM

69. Although if taken out at a remote location,

no way to really know how they got him. Misleading headline aside, this would be a great way to test some technology and who among us would be the wiser for it?

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:30 AM

37. Drone is a misleading term for an RPV

It's a remotely piloted vehicle.

In that regard it is no different than a helicopter with pilots.

There's not enough damage control if someone has a pic of missle laden drones over America.

It will not happen!

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:42 AM

41. First they came for.........

while Dorner may be guilty of murder, calling in the drones to find him should send a shiver up American's backs. With this decision there is no doubt that some will see this as a "good" motive where Americans will be "guided" to accept the use of use of drones in American airspace against American citizens. Camel's nose in the tent - hell it is all but the hair on the tip of the camel's tail.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:46 AM

43. We've had drones patrolling the border for years.

and police departments have been using drones in many cities for some time. Not without controversy, but its common. I don't see how a camera on an unmanned plane is qualitatively different from a camera in a manned plane or copter - both of which have been used for decades. Or a camera at an intersection, or department store, or wherever. I can go on google earth and see whether my trees need trimmed, or whether my deck needs straightened up.

There are some differences, of course, but it would be stupid for them not to use everything they have to find him.

A peaceful society of law-abiding citizens needs virtually no government, and the lightest hand in law enforcement. A society of half-baked gun-owners, nutjob ideologs, perpetually pumped-up on the conspiracy of the day, regularly killing themselves and others, more or less demands a strong hand.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:32 AM

50. My brother is an LAPD officer, so I applaud this move. Sorry, but this type of threat requires

extraordinary action.

My brother, his wife and 2 young children deserve to be protected against this type of threat.

His young son said yesterday " Dad this guy said he's going to kill us, am I safe??"

Well if a drone can take this maniac out and save all these families - then I say DO IT!!!!

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Response to SoCalDemGrrl (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:57 PM

87. Even though these drones are not armed (YET), police should never be judge, jury, and executioner.

Your brother's wife and their two young children, or any combination thereof, just might end up being collateral damage killed in the crossfire.

To put it simply, "friendly fire" isn't.

Yes, I would give the Devil the benefit of the law, for my own safety's sake!

Howling for the blood of the guilty, without trial, is beneath all of us, and you do our system of due process (and by extension, your brother and all of his own hard work) a serious injustice by doing so. He may as well resign, and join the Mob, if we adopt this bestial, brutal mentality.

I demand better. I demand restraint, due process, and the full and meticulous benefit of the law, even for those whose hands wear warm, crimson gloves. We all should, and we shall have it, or we have failed, both as individuals and as Americans.

(Just so you know, the logical fallacy of Appeal to Emotion and its dependent "think of the children" non-argument does not gain any traction with me. I will not be swayed by it.)



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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:39 AM

51. Threads like this make me wonder whether "Drones!" isn't the kooky "Black helicopters!" of the Left

I mean truly.

The paranoid style in American politics, indeed.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:51 AM

52. seriously

wait until they hear about UAV crop-dusters...

DRONES + CHEMTRAILS!

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:37 AM

55. +33

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:52 PM

85. I dunno but DRONES! The Musical could be fun

with soon to be hit songs like "I'm Falling (from the sky) For You" and "It's Raining Hellfires" (Hallelujah It's Raining Hellfires...)

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:02 AM

53. I highly doubt he is still in Big Bear/Arrowbear(head)

By the time anyone realized the significance of the burning truck, he was already down the mountain.

No non-CIA/military drones are equipped with Hellfires. I am extremely anti-drone on American soil except for monitoring the border and scanning the wilderness for lost hikers, poachers, or fugitives. Much cheaper than fueling a helicopter. Of course, the drone being unarmed in all of these scenarios.

Sensationalist headline. There are enough idiots in this country and world that actually will believe there is a Reaper flying over Big Bear Lake that will pick up a heat-signature and launch a $10,000.00 military missile into the forest.

The Dorner love is NOT a progressive principle. Not loving Dorner does not mean you kneel before the LAPD or large corrupt militaristic police departments.

I hope the OP has the self-respect to update the headline or at least clarify that the loaded word "target" is not only incorrect (drones already are deployed), but most low-information Americans will assume local PD actually has the same authority or ability as the DoD or CIA.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:12 PM

71. Firewatch

Silent drones scanning the mountains for wildfires.

They would help prevent the massive burns we've had over the years.

Now, back to the Black Helicopters!

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:36 AM

54. I guess it would be more moral to have

a chopper with a crew of 4 or 6 in the air with the same thermal imaging equipment doing the searching.

for three hours at a time.

Then, we could send up another chopper with another crew to do the same thing all day and all night

After all Drones be BAD and door gunners be good.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:38 AM

57. MSN quotes British paper Express quoting unnamed "senior police source" as saying "... thermal

imaging cameras ... may be our only hope ..."

Fugitive alleged LAPD-killer is first drone target on U.S. soil

http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil


Man hunt for ex-soldier who shot police chief's daughter and killed policeman
POLICE plan to use spy drones in the hunt for a Rambo-style ex-soldier and policeman who has murdered three people and vowed to kill again.

By: Mike Parker
Published: Sun, February 10, 2013
... A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.”

Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began.

He said: “This agency has been at the forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement. That’s all I can say at the moment” ...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/376732/Man-hunt-for-ex-soldier-who-shot-police-chief-s-daughter-and-killed-policeman

That's thin gruel

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:51 AM

59. Dronez are the new black helicopters

What's the difference in using an unarmed drone vs a helicopter in a search?

Answer: nothing, unless you're a media hack or paranoid whack job.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:16 PM

72. Time on station

Low fuel use

Silent so suspect can't cover

Cheaper overall to tight budgets. We will need the money for fire season.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #72)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:17 PM

73. Those are all reasons why the drones are a superior thing to use

than a police helicopter, correct?

A police helicopter can also be lethal--just put a sniper on board.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #73)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:23 PM

74. Wasn't that shot in the intro of SWAT?

Shooters hanging out the doors.

Another plus over a chopper is that the drone isn't blinded by a laser.

I would be thinking of blinding the pilot if I were in an escape and evasion situation.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #74)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:25 PM

75. I can't substantiate it, but constant copter flyovers have to

at some level traumatize residents of crime-heavy neighborhoods.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:36 PM

76. Since the humans can't figure out whom to shoot

Can the Drones do any worse?

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:03 PM

78. What's a drone without collateral damage?

 

nt

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:40 PM

80. I agree, it is becoming a mudslide.

Thanks for the thread, intheflow.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:46 PM

81. no BIG surprise.

I called it two days ago with a friend of mine. I said, "watch, they will be using drones for this guy." He paid me my hundred bucks. Just a joke but I wish I had bet him a beer at least.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:11 PM

88. Let the frog-boiling begin!!!

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:03 PM

89. I heard that on MSNBC over the weekend - the suggestion anyway.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:30 AM

93. LAPD chief Beck today called Dorner a "domestic terrorist".

 

They are desperate to destroy him, they are frightened, and they are twisting terminology to justify the use of execution in any form they wish.

This is an exceedingly slippery slope, because FBI and DHS have already concluded the Occupy Wall Street movement are potential domestic terrorists, and we've seen how they treated the encampments and marches...

LAPD are already domestic terrorists. Ask LA people of color, the poor, the homeless.

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Response to intheflow (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:35 AM

94. Good. n/t

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