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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:46 PM

Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades While Feds Ponder Waste

Source: Forbes

California Secretary of State Debra Bowen cleared an initiative Wednesday that would shut down California’s two existing nuclear power plants until the federal government figures out what to do with the used fuel—a process expected to take at least 35 Years.

The initiative (pdf) now moves to the signature collection phase. It needs 504,760 signatures to qualify for the 2014 ballot.

The initiative is sponsored by California’s “Nuclear Terminator,” Ben Davis Jr. who helped write an initiative that shut down the Rancho Seco nuclear plant near Sacramento in 1989.

This is his second attempt to use this strategy to shutter the Diablo Canyon and San Onofre plants. He failed to gather enough signatures for the November ballot after the California Legislative Analyst’s office issued a report saying the iniative could result in rolling blackouts, an assertion that Davis and other supporters of the initiative dispute.

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Read more: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/02/08/initiative-would-shutter-california-nuclear-plants-for-decades-while-feds-ponder-waste/



I think this is the initiative's website: http://californianuclearinitiative.com/

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Reply Initiative Would Shutter California Nuclear Plants For Decades While Feds Ponder Waste (Original post)
bananas Feb 2013 OP
freshwest Feb 2013 #1
ahimsa Feb 2013 #3
FBaggins Feb 2013 #13
ahimsa Feb 2013 #16
Ian Iam Feb 2013 #9
KoKo Feb 2013 #2
madrchsod Feb 2013 #4
freshwest Feb 2013 #5
olddad56 Feb 2013 #14
freshwest Feb 2013 #15
Trascoli Feb 2013 #6
freshwest Feb 2013 #10
AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #7
AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #8
silverweb Feb 2013 #11
WillyT Feb 2013 #12
NickB79 Feb 2013 #17

Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:11 PM

1. If they can assure the voters alternative sources would provide enough power and also help the...

green energy industries, large and small in California, it might work this time.

At the very least it might provide a robust debate in the state about this issue.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:23 PM

3. San Onofre has already been shut down for a year

without causing any rolling blackouts. We don't even have to speculate on that one as we know exactly what the effect would be. I sure hope they can get the sigs this time around!

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Response to ahimsa (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:15 PM

13. It isn't nearly that simple.

Were the peak demand periods as high as they have hit in recent years? Were hydro facilities forced to use more water to close the gap than was added to storage by annual rainfall? Were there plants that delayed maintenance in order to maintain supply? Were older/dirtier backup plants forced to operate? Was power imported to the region in excess of what is normally available?

I don't know the answers to these question... but they point out that you can't just say "well we made it through one cycle without rolling blackouts... obviously we can continue to do it"

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:58 PM

16. I didn't say it was simple

Just that it is not theoretical. I'm sure they are also well along in alternative plans in case they are unable to restart San Onofre, which would be just fine with me as we live in its shadow.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:39 PM

9. Good point

 

And durec for thread.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:20 PM

2. K&R!

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:31 PM

4. california could be totally nuke free

solar panels on every building and home and new green friendly transportation system. tens if not hundreds of thousands of new tech and existing job openings. it could have been in the top 5 in the world economy but this was the priority of our country...

http://costofwar.com/state/CA/

remember every 1 dollar spent on the public good returns a minimum 5

military spending returns nothing

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:34 PM

5. Good news out of California. Hope they try food labeling again.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:45 PM

14. I think there is rambling about voter fraud on the food labeling initiative.

I had heard that of an NPR affiliate (CPR) recently.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 PM

15. The corporations put up their initiatives, the citizens should do the same.

I'm hoping that CA can lead the way on several things. Their standards have often been the best on the environment and other issues - or they were in the past.


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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:50 PM

6. I never know

 

california had any nuke plants. I've only been a few times but never saw any

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Response to Trascoli (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:43 PM

10. Do a DU search on Diablo Canyon. Quite a history there.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:01 PM

7. K & R, n/t

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:58 PM

8. Earthquakes + Nukes = Totally Fuku'ed

…and unlike in Japan, the prevailing winds would blow the fallout from the resulting meltdowns into major population centers.

San Onofre is already shut down and we have had plenty of power the whole time, let's keep it shut down.

We won't miss Diabolo Canyon much either.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:49 PM

11. Good!



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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:01 PM

12. Good !!!

I used to live a couple of miles from Rancho Seco...



On 20 March 1978 a failure of power supply for the plant's non-nuclear instrumentation system led to steam generator dryout. (ref NRC LER 312/78-001). In an ongoing study of "precursors" that could lead to a nuclear disaster if additional failures were to have occurred, in 2005 the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission concluded that this event at Rancho Seco was the third most serious safety-related occurrence in the United States (Behind the Three Mile Island accident and the cable tray fire at Browns Ferry).


And though I lived in the area... I had NO IDEA until recently.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rancho_Seco_Nuclear_Generating_Station

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:04 AM

17. I'd bet money they'd be replaced primarily by natural gas plants

Let the fracking roll.......

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