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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:24 AM

 

Catholic bishops reject revised ObamaCare contraceptive rule

Source: Faux News

Catholic bishops have rejected the Obama administration's latest proposal on mandatory contraceptive coverage, vowing to continue to fight for changes before the policy becomes final.

After reviewing the administration's proposal unveiled last week, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said it stands by its earlier concerns.

"Because the stakes are so high, we will not cease from our effort to assure that healthcare for all does not mean freedom for few," New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the bishops' conference, said in a statement.

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/08/bishops-press-for-broader-birth-control-exemption/

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Reply Catholic bishops reject revised ObamaCare contraceptive rule (Original post)
michigandem58 Feb 2013 OP
Botany Feb 2013 #1
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #6
SharonAnn Feb 2013 #20
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #29
yellowcanine Feb 2013 #28
JeffHead Feb 2013 #2
Shadowflash Feb 2013 #19
beac Feb 2013 #3
jberryhill Feb 2013 #4
madokie Feb 2013 #5
Arkana Feb 2013 #7
obama2terms Feb 2013 #8
Jerry442 Feb 2013 #9
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #30
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #10
B-ONE Lancer Feb 2013 #11
Myrina Feb 2013 #12
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #13
uriel1972 Feb 2013 #14
Beowulf Feb 2013 #15
Aerows Feb 2013 #16
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #17
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #21
nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #18
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #23
glinda Feb 2013 #22
Arugula Latte Feb 2013 #24
Zambero Feb 2013 #25
S.A.M Feb 2013 #26
BattyDem Feb 2013 #27
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #31
BattyDem Feb 2013 #32
olegramps Feb 2013 #33
mpcamb Feb 2013 #35
idwiyo Feb 2013 #34
christx30 Feb 2013 #36
musical_soul Feb 2013 #37
RainDog Feb 2013 #38
The Wizard Feb 2013 #39

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:29 AM

1. Look if the Catholic Bishops don't want to take the pill they don't have to but ....

..... they have zero right to tell others what they can or can not do. Look at the
average size of a Catholic family today and it is much smaller then they used to
be so they must be using some kind of family planning.

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:45 AM

6. Going to Catholic School in Manhattan in the 50s

I did not know any family who had more than 3 kids. Obviously, they weren't using rhythm. I am an Only, and I wasn't the "ONLY" in my school.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:04 AM

20. Going to Catholic schools in Iowa the 50's

I don't think I knew any "onlies". Many of us were from families of 6 or more. Though those with 14 kids were still considered "unusually large families".

I am the oldest of 8 and have 65 first cousins. Interestingly, only a few of my cousins have as many as 3 or 4 children. Most have one or two, with the occasional three. I have none.

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Response to SharonAnn (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:13 PM

29. This was Manhattan

with TINY one or two bedroom apartments. No where to PUT as many children as "god wants". Obsviously, people used BC to limit their families, even catholic ones back in the 50s.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:08 PM

28. "rhythm method"...... we used to refer to that as "Vatican Roulette"

And I never did understand the reasoning. If all sexual intercourse is supposed to be for procreation, why was it ok to time your sex to avoid pregnancy? And why is it ok for post menopausal women to still continue to have sex?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:34 AM

2. Who care what they think.

If they want a say in what goes on in this country start START PAYING TAXES!!!!

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Response to JeffHead (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:01 AM

19. Exactly

All they do is fleece their flock and diddle small children. They should have no say in making policy.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:39 AM

4. Of course they do

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:42 AM

5. Its pretty damned obvious what the problem is for these people

and it has nothing to do with what Obama supports rather its all in the color of his skin

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:50 AM

7. Too fucking bad.

It's the law now, and they have to comply.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:53 AM

8. Why does anyone even listen to them

We have separation of church and state, if a women doesn't want contraception for religious reasons she doesn't have to get it, but it's wrong and selfish to prevent other women from getting it because your personal beliefs. These bishops seems kind of sexist too they never talk about how men have the easy access to cialis and viagra, that women don't have for birth control. I find it sad that in this day and age it even had to be mandated. These bishops need to get over it the world is changing and were never going back.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:56 AM

9. I've come to believe it's not a real issue to them.

I believe they've struck a deal with conservatives. The Catholic Church will keep the waters roiled with this fake controversy, constantly bewailing the Obama administration's hostility to religion and morality and in general just keep flinging stuff, figuring some of it will stick and undermine support for Obama. In return, conservative politicians are keeping a tight leash on the dozens (hundreds?) of prosecutors who are dying to jail some of these frocked-up child molesters.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:17 PM

30. They have a bully pulpit for their own followers

with BC. Their own parishioners DON'T follow their teachings on contraception. They think they are getting the word out to them with all this publicity. NOT. lol

My other post showed their were ignored even in the 1950s becauses it was IMPOSSIBLE to have a decent standard of living with their quiverfull of kids.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:58 AM

10. Duh ... The pill reduces the number of little boys in the Parrish.

Of course they are against it!!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

11. TAXES

 

Because this tax evading organization hides behind a god, just like every other "CHURCH" and lets not forget this firm has caused more deaths than any other firm on this polluted planet, maybe its time they pay there bills.
Lets not forget that this organization was shuffling molesters around, and its says a lot of how the pope and others only had a concern of image, and good old "MONEY" ---hell with a so called god

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

12. "healthcare for all doesn't mean freedom for a few" ...

.... no, of course not ... the old farts want freedom for NONE.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

13. Then the government should drop the revised rule and keep the old rule, and order the auditors to go

 

after the churches's tax exempt status.

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Response to Hard Assets (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:28 AM

14. Totally agree.

Why the POTUS bends over backwards to accommodate these authoritarian priests is beyond me. They have no intention of reciprocating.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:19 AM

15. It's mandatory COVERAGE, not mandatory USAGE

Dolan has some nerve playing the freedom card here. BTW, I just saw the HBO documentary on the Catholic Church's cover-up of pedophilia in the priesthood. Really despicable stuff.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:58 AM

16. You know

a group of men that, if they actually practice what they preach, never have sex are the last people that should be discussing contraceptives. Presumably they are completely unaffected by this issue so they really should shut the hell up.

As if they have any moral ground to stand on after all of the child molesting and covering it up.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:58 AM

17. But you said in a court of law that fetuses were not people

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:21 AM

21. LOL. Excellent. nt

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:00 AM

18. Here's what they should do

"Bishops also want a clearer statement that faith-affiliated hospitals and other nonprofits are religious ministries."

Give them that and then remove ALL public funding and support for their schools and hospitals. This may have made sense when they were small and run by nuns. But that is no longer the case. The hospitals are big regional networks that employ people of ALL faiths (and no faith).

Freedom my ass! They won't stop until they take away the freedom of others to make their own medical decisions.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:37 AM

23. And their hospital systems also buy other hospitals, forcing their rules on employees

Many people find they have a choice of quitting their job, or being employed by Catholic organisations.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:23 AM

22. I was taught about "free will" in Catholic School and being responsible for my choices.

The Catholic Church obviously is in such dismal epic fail that they have to strong arm the American Public to force their rules onto everyone in their flock and boast to the public about getting their way. All to justify themselves and pour hate upon Obama. Very sad.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:57 AM

24. Hopefully, when it comes to the Catholic Church, the women of the United States will find a way

to shut that whole thing down.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

25. Delusional throwbacks

The "Freedom for a few" utterance does not exactly equate to the overwhelmingly large majority of Catholics who use or have used contraception. Would these pedophile-shielding bishops also care to retroactively excommunicate that vast portion of their congregations, for daring to practice safe and effective family planning?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:32 PM

26. Really?

 

So...what else is new?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:07 PM

27. "our effort to assure that healthcare for all does not mean freedom for few"

So not allowing the Catholic church to control their female employee's access to contraception and/or what regulations a health insurance company must follow somehow infringes upon the church's religious freedom?? Give me a freakin' break!!!

No one wants their employer to control their medical or religious decisions. People who work at Catholic hospitals are not part of a religious ministry. They are part of the healthcare system. No one goes to a hospital for religion - they go for healthcare! They are being treated by doctors, nurses and other trained medical professionals - NOT priests and nuns! People of all faiths and no faith work there; people of all faiths and no faith receive treatment there.

Women who work at these hospitals receive health insurance that does not address all the healthcare needs a woman has because of the religion of the hospital's owner. Women who receive care at these hospitals have limited options when dealing with any medical issue concerning their reproductive system. How is this not discrimination?

These churches have no problem when the government gives them tax payer dollars, but then they don't want to follow government rules! I'm fed up with them having it both ways. If you want to be a church, then be a church. If you want to receive millions in tax payer dollars and own hospitals (sometimes being the only hospital in the area), then you have to follow the same rules as every other medical facility and employer! Employees shouldn't have THEIR religious freedom and medical benefits restricted because of who they work for. Patients shouldn't have their healthcare options limited because of the religious beliefs of the hospital's owner.

The Catholic Church does not have to pay for contraception or for a health insurance policy that provides contraception. The HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY has to provide a separate policy for contraception at no cost. No one is forcing women to take contraception and no one is forcing the church to pay for contraception. That is a reasonable solution for everyone. The fact that the Catholic Church is still fighting it proves this is not a moral issue for them. It's about control, plain and simple. They don't want their female employees to take contraception and since they can't force them not to, they are trying to make it as difficult (and expensive) as possible for women to get it.

It's about time all churches that own healthcare facilities follow the same rules as everyone else. If they don't want to do that, they can either give up the tax payer dollars they're getting or they can get out of the healthcare business entirely. Just because a hospital is owned by a church, that does not make it a religious facility. They're using religion to evade rules and regulations that every other business must follow - and we're all paying for it. Enough is enough!

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Response to BattyDem (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:21 PM

31. Hobby Lobby

This compromise doesn't go far enough because it doesn't exempt PRIVATE, Non-Religious, for profit, companies from being exempt. This is what the Church wants. Problem with this is that while they say if you don't like the rules of the Catholic religion, don't work for their organization, BUT how many people know what the religion of their small business employers? Employees have to follow the religion of their BOSSES?

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:34 PM

32. It's nuts!

Why should a non-religious, for profit business be exempt from government regulations because of the owners religious beliefs? If exemptions go that far, then why shouldn't private citizens be exempt from certain laws because of their religious beliefs? In a secular society, you can not possibly accommodate every aspect of every person's religious beliefs. At some point, there has to be a line drawn. Preventing employers from using their religious beliefs as an excuse to infringe on the civil rights and religious freedom of their employees is a damn good place to draw that line!

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:40 PM

33. Just a little background on contraception:

Pope John XXIII, a very much loved and admired pope, appointed a commission consisting of both laity and clergy to reexamine the church's doctrine regarding contraceptive birth control. This commission made an exhaustive study and while the vote on the recommendations was restricted to only the bishops and cardinals on the commission they advised that the church should rescind its present policy of condemnation.

Unfortunately, Pope John XXIII had passed away before the commission took its final vote. Prior to this the Vatican, led by the ultra-traditionalists, blocked the bishops meeting in Vatican II to discuss the subject and said that the subject was under study and the Vatican would soon announce their decision. The commission submitted their finding and recommendations to the newly elected Paul VI. He vacillated and delayed, but most importantly he went along with the Curia that warned that if he was to revise the teaching that a former pope had forcefully condemned contraception as being intrinsically evil, the papacy would lose its credibility.

It was not a question of birth control being immoral, as the commission concluded, (the intent of contraception and the so-called rhythm system were identical), but it was to protect the image of the papacy at the expense of the health and wellbeing of the laity. The members of the commission were in shock and refused to be intimidated by the Vatican when they were told to keep their mouths shut and they made the conclusion's of the commission public. We are well aware of that the church's condemnation is totally rejected by over 95% of the laity and was a major factor in the massive exodus of members.

It would take a man of Pope John's special vision to now change the policy. This appears to be impossible at the present since the hierarchy has been dominated by the extremist Opus Dei cult that Pope John Paul II ushered in to return the the church to its medieval mentality. They are determined to turn back the clock to the pre-Vatican II era in which the monarchical papacy had been elevated to position of mythical exaltation and the faithful regarded every papal utterance, burp and fart and the unquestionable word of God Himself.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:52 AM

35. "It would take a man of Pope John's special vision to now change the policy."

It's hard to imagine there are any left in the organization, much less one who might sift to a position of prominence.
They've driven all the reasonable ones out or underground or under siege. Remember, there were many at the forefront of opposition to nuclear armaments, Vietnam, American policy in Central America and who worked for racial equality from this religion.

What an evil cult they've become in a couple of decades.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:09 PM

34. Are they afraid they are going to run out of little kids to molest? Must be it.

A least it's clear where their priorities are.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:59 PM

36. I'm going to start my

Own Jahovah's witness hospital and not do blood transfusions or use any products that are manufactured with blood. Lets see if the pubs will be good with that. They'd have to be, right? If they can deny certain health care choices for religious reasons, they'd have to be ok with it going both ways

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:51 PM

37. I'm for contraceptive coverage through the Affordable Healthcare Act....

I'm also for exceptions. We need to allow room for religious exceptions.

I personally am for a religious place hiring and firing people depending on their faith if they want for that reason. We have to be careful about the first amendment.

And yes, I'm still for contraceptive coverage being covered by the Affordable Healthcare Act.

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Response to musical_soul (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:41 PM

38. I'm glad you're not making law in this nation

Because religion is a piss poor excuse for health care decisions.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:25 PM

39. Unless and until

they stop covering for boy buggering priests they can shut the fuck up.

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