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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:38 PM

Diet sodas raise risk of type 2 diabetes MORE than those sweetened with real sugar

Source: NY Daily News

Artificially-sweetened sodas have been linked to a higher risk of Type 2 diabetes for women than sodas sweetened with ordinary sugar, according to French research unveiled on Thursday.

"Contrary to conventional thinking, the risk of diabetes is higher with 'light' beverages compared with 'regular' sweetened drinks," the National Institute of Health and Medical Research (Inserm) said.

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The increased risk was about a third for those who drank up to 359 millilitres (12 US ounces) per week of either type of soda, and more than double among those who drank up to 603 ml (20 ounces) per week.

Drinkers of light sodas had an even higher risk of diabetes compared to those who drank regular ones: 15 percent higher for consumption of 500 ml (16.9 ounces) per week, and 59 percent higher for consumption of 1.5 litres (50 ounces) per week, Inserm said.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/diet-soda-drinkers-greater-risk-diabetes-study-article-1.1257846

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Reply Diet sodas raise risk of type 2 diabetes MORE than those sweetened with real sugar (Original post)
Redfairen Feb 2013 OP
DaveJ Feb 2013 #1
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #2
yellowcanine Feb 2013 #25
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #26
crim son Feb 2013 #35
BadgerKid Feb 2013 #3
AAO Feb 2013 #12
KurtNYC Feb 2013 #30
AAO Feb 2013 #48
hlthe2b Feb 2013 #4
NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #5
Crunchy Frog Feb 2013 #7
Sienna86 Feb 2013 #10
NorthCarolina Feb 2013 #19
AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #40
dballance Feb 2013 #37
AndyTiedye Feb 2013 #41
lupine25 Feb 2013 #14
arcane1 Feb 2013 #38
Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #16
lupine25 Feb 2013 #20
Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #39
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #24
cstanleytech Feb 2013 #31
Arkana Feb 2013 #43
KakistocracyHater Feb 2013 #54
Scout Feb 2013 #6
leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #8
hlthe2b Feb 2013 #9
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #27
cstanleytech Feb 2013 #32
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #33
laundry_queen Feb 2013 #55
RedstDem Feb 2013 #11
valerief Feb 2013 #13
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #17
valerief Feb 2013 #29
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #44
valerief Feb 2013 #46
Mnemosyne Feb 2013 #49
SoapBox Feb 2013 #15
libdem4life Feb 2013 #18
u4ic Feb 2013 #53
Z_California Feb 2013 #21
GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #22
yellowcanine Feb 2013 #23
djean111 Feb 2013 #28
Chipper Chat Feb 2013 #36
jzodda Feb 2013 #34
markpkessinger Feb 2013 #51
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #42
lonestarnot Feb 2013 #45
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #47
AngryOldDem Feb 2013 #57
jzodda Feb 2013 #58
greiner3 Feb 2013 #50
musical_soul Feb 2013 #52
Strelnikov_ Feb 2013 #56

Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:43 PM

1. I'm guessing they took into account other factors.

Like, people who drink diet soda might be drinking it because they are overweight in the first place. I presume they compared women of similar bmi in both groups. I don't see the source study though.

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Response to DaveJ (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:44 PM

2. Yep. nt

 

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Response to DaveJ (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:52 PM

25. Reading the article at the link it doesn't sound like it. All self reported data as well.

This study doesn't appear to prove much of anything except that people who drink real fruit juice rather than sodas of any kind are probably healthier. Not much of a surprise there.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:56 PM

26. +1

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Response to DaveJ (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:33 PM

35. I was wonder the same thing.

When I was a diet soda drinker, it was because I was also a candy and pizza eater, and thought that the diet soda would somehow make up for my crappy diet.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:45 PM

3. "The authors urge further trials to prove a causal link."

The jury is still out, it would appear.

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Response to BadgerKid (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:20 PM

12. This is what pisses me off - this study is bullshit!

 

If the jury is still out why do the post these articles. It's like the boy that cried wolf. Pretty soon people are just going to ignore everything and just shrug: You're damned if you don't, damned if you do!

"The authors urge further trials to prove a causal link."

Irresponsible journalism!

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Response to AAO (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:30 PM

30. It fits with analysis from the Harvard Nurse study which found that diet soda

consumption is associated with weight gain and this led to further studies which found that artificial sweetners trigger an unhealthy response from the human digestive system. They seem to break the link between consumption of real sweets (sucrose, fructose, etc) and a triggering of satiation.

The theory there is that the body "learns" (incorrectly) that things which taste very sweet actually have no burnable calories.

Another analysis from the Harvard Nurse study data found that consumption of artificial sweetners (diet soda) can provoke a strong craving for real sweets and this in combination with the effect above is behind the mystery weight gain.

http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/6/1/160.full

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:31 PM

48. I haven't experienced that.

 

Maybe they should let the Doctors conduct the next study.

Oh boy, I need quite a few "sarcasm" smileys for that comment!

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:45 PM

4. May be a proxy for other sugar intake... I haven't drunk diet (or any soda) for years... but when I

did, I admittedly craved sweets more and used the fact I was drinking no calorie soda as an excuse to take in sugar (and refined carbohydrates) elsewhere and in probably higher amounts. Even if they tried to control for confounding factors (e.g., other sugar or high risk dietary intake, obesity and other pre-existing risks for diabetes, etc.) that differentially impacted the diet soda group, it can be difficult in even the largest and best conducted studies...

That said, I think there are lots of problems we are just starting to understand with diet soda.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:48 PM

5. Sodas "sweetened with Ordinary Sugar"?

Where the heck do you find those? Everything that my local grocer carries seems to be sweetened by high fructose corn syrup.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:51 PM

7. This was a French study.

I believe they still use sugar there.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:17 PM

10. Pepsi Throwback is one

I believe there is a version of Mountain Dew made with sugar, instead of HFCS.

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:19 PM

19. Thanks for the info.

Dr. Pepper drinker here for the most part. I think I might try the Mexi Coke or the Pepsi Throwback if I see it though.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:06 PM

40. There Was a Dr Pepper "Heritage" With Real Sugar For a While

Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:01 AM - Edit history (1)

At least one website claims to have it.

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:37 PM

37. Yep, I've Seen That Here in the Portland, OR Area. It's Good /eom

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Response to Sienna86 (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:07 PM

41. Mountain Dew Throwback, Yes!

I have a can of it in front of me now.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:49 PM

14. Sodas with Sugar?

Some places also sell "Mexi-Coke" and "Mexi-Pepsi." That is pop that is bottled in Mexico. They usually come in the classic bottles that you need a bottle opener to pop the top, but they're made with real sugar instead of the high fruitcose crap. The Mexi versions are pretty commonly found in any grocery store here in the Seattle metro area, not sure about other areas though. I recommend at least giving them a try, they're great! (Baring that, see also the post about the "throwback" lines, which also have real sugar).

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Response to lupine25 (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:27 PM

38. You can find them here and there in California too. Never had one, but I'm curious!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:56 PM

16. Mexican Coke

More and more groceries, including Costco are carrying Mexican Coke these days. They're made with cane sugar and sold in glass bottles like God intended.

After drinking them for a few days, regular sodas - fountain drinks especially - will taste absolutely horrible. You'll wonder how you could've possibly drunk that muck all those years.

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Response to Ron Obvious (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:24 PM

20. Mexi-Coke

Yup, and considering I work at Costco's home office I can second Ron's statement to check at a local Costco for the stuff (I almost said so in my original post, but I didn't want to put in a shameless plug for my work...haha!)

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Response to lupine25 (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:54 PM

39. Costco

I'm more than happy to plug Costco on your behalf, as I have no ties to the company other than being a member of the original Kirkland store nearly since it opened.

Excellent company that treats its workers well. It shows.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:47 PM

24. Pepsi, some Moutain Dew and Coke

Trader Joe's and Whole Food's sodas. Reed's Ginger Beer and Izze. There's at least one brand of mainstream ginger ale, too. I thought Cheerwine used sugar? Maybe not. I don't drink any, except for Izze and the occasional Reed's.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:14 PM

31. Coke made in mexico has real sugar to I believe. nt

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:52 AM

43. Throwback versions of Pepsi, Mountain Dew, and the like?

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:45 PM

54. pepsi throwback & mountain mist

are the only, besides Mexican Coca Cola, all use only sugar

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:50 PM

6. i do know that when i drink diet pop, i just keep wanting more pop

or more sweets, carbs, etc. (plus almost ALL diet pop just does not taste very good to me--DIet Dr. Pepper is at least palatable.)

diet pop doesn't satisfy the craving for me, it increases the craving.

i know i shouldn't drink pop at all, but when i do drink it i now drink the "throwback" Mt. Dew or Pepsi, or the Coke made with real sugar. they at least satisfy the craving without increasing it.

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Response to Scout (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:51 PM

8. yes throwback

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Response to Scout (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:56 PM

9. When I finally kicked diet soda, I found it so much easier to control the rest of my diet...

(and I was really out of control with sweets and other simple carb intake--which fueled cravings constantly)..

The interesting thing is it has been more than threeyears since I kicked it, sticking instead with unsweetened teas, coffee and water, yet if I were to drink a can of diet coke today, i'd be back craving it again for at least a few days afterwards...

That plus the calcium leaching effects of soda in general, underscore how important it was for me to ditch the soda.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:58 PM

27. Excellent comment! There are studies out there that demonstrate exactly what you said.

The artificial sweeteners fails to throw the switch in your body -- "I just had something to eat." So, you keep eating.

I am guessing that, assuming the article in the OP is correct, it is related to just that.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:19 PM

32. "guessing" is part of the problem to I suspect.

No offense meant though to you Buzz
Its just a more detailed study to resolve the issue would be welcome and maybe one day someone will undertake such a study.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:21 PM

33. +1!

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Response to Scout (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:19 PM

55. What I've noticed

is that when I drink a diet pop a couple of hours after a meal, I suddenly become famished and I can feel my blood sugar drop preciptously and I start getting the 'shakes and HAVE to eat RIGHT NOW. I've really cut down on diet pop recently (down from 3-4 cans/day to 1 a week) and boy, drinking water definitely does not have the same effect, even if it's 4 hours after a meal.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:19 PM

11. I always thought it best to stick with the least processing as possible in foods

like real sugar instead of sweet and low type crap, real butter instead of margarine, and so forth.

I don't eat either one anymore though.....
whole food vegetarian diet is the best way to live, if you can.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:36 PM

13. Diet sodas s/b limited to stevia, not that killer artificial crap. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:13 PM

17. Hey Val, Rummy needs to make another fortune somehow! Dammit!

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:21 PM

29. I remember when whore Brokejaw said on teevee, "In Cipro we trust."

He was whoring for Rummy's anthrax medicine.

They make us sick and make money off that.

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Response to valerief (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:54 AM

44. I'm still trying to figure out why they began taking cipro three weeks before the anthrax attacks,

why were high level D's targeted, but not R's, so many questions so many lies.

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Response to Mnemosyne (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:59 AM

46. So many EASY conclusions you can reach from that, too!!!!

Although I that stuff is considered CT.

I always ask myself, what would a Mob with no honor code do? That's what the GOP would do/does.

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Response to valerief (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:54 PM

49. But we wouldn't want anyone to think we question anything.

The mob looks like angels compared to that bunch.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:54 PM

15. I hate Diet Drinks...of any kind...with any "fake" sweetener.

and, I do NOT drink sugared drinks either...what a waste of my hard earned monies.

Water and/or tea (hot or cold, unsweetened...black or green) and/or fresh juice (that I squeeze, not all that HIGH concentrated sugar stuff).

These soda companies have done a great job, spreading their poisons around the world. Gee, I don't why they and the cigarette companies, just don't merge and call themselves Death Inc.

This article is not even a surprise and is nothing different than I've thought for years.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:16 PM

18. The warning on diet sodas has been ongoing for decades. If it tricks your mouth into thinking it's

sugar or corn syrup or whatever, why not your body?

Just observation...I've never drunk either, but noticed that many of those who drink diet soda, also have a lot of other crap around the house and are often over weight. Seems they somehow think that drinking diet soda will accommodate the sugar intake from other foods.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:39 PM

53. For a nutrition course in college in 1985

I did a paper on brain tumours in rats given aspartame. I couldn't believe that it was allowed onto the market with all the concerning research.

I had Fibro pain go through the roof when I chewed gum with aspartame. I'm glad I realized the link.

The stuff is problematic, on so many levels.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:34 PM

21. Another Worthless Study

Absolutely zero proof of cause and effect. I'm guessing this one was bankrolled by the HFCS industry.

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Response to Z_California (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:43 PM

22. Thank you.

It bases its conclusions on the fact that more women who drink diet sodas are diabetic, while ignoring the fact that diabetic women generally don't use any products with real sugar in them BECAUSE THEY ARE DIABETIC. Artificial sweeteners were initially made for diabetics, not the diet industry.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:47 PM

23. I am willing to bet this is a "correlation without causation" issue.

If consumption of diet sodas is correlated with high sugar foods that could explain it right there. Such as having diet Pepsi with a doughnut to "save calories."

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:16 PM

28. I stopped drinking diet soda the last few years, been drinking tea with lemon.

Last night I bought a 12 pack of diet Mountain Dew so my grandson could get $5 off a rides armband at the state fair tomorrow - just have to bring an empty can of that exact type.
Drank one can. Couldn't stop drinking that crap, drank 4 cans.
Woke up in the middle of the night with really bad foot cramps.
A little research seems to indicate the aspartame is likely the culprit.
Won't drink that crap again.

And yes, to whoever said it up thread - Stevia - without any other crap mixed in with it - is the way to go.
Also gotta say I never met anyone who excused eating a doughnut because they drank diet soda. Personally, soda with sugar or that corn shit (which is what they really should call it) makes my mouth feel gummy and sticky and I hate the sweetness.
That commercial that implies HFCS is just some adorable sweetener that oozes gently from fields of rustling natural corn (snerk) is disgusting. Yeah, your body can tell the difference. The only thing that HFCS has in common with sugar is that it has no nutrition.

So at my house - either soda with sugar or anything else without sugar or with Stevia. I'll take the safest route.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:51 PM

36. There's always TANG.

It tastes good occasionally.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:24 PM

34. Well I am a type 2 diabetic

and of course I am fine testing wise when I drink diet soda, but not fine when I drink soda with sugar. Since I can't eat more sweets or carbs anyway its either diet soda or no soda for me. Craving sweets is not the same as actually consuming them in any event.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #34)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:29 AM

51. I am also a type 2, and my experience mirrors yours n/t

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:41 AM

42. Small amounts of the real thing (sugar or butter)

is probably a hell of a lot better than a lot of the fake crap. I don't really drink any soda, but when I do, it isn't diet.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:39 AM

45. I hate that diet crap. What about spenda in coffee, prollee same result no?

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

47. Crap! What kind of chance does that give me?

I am not diabetic, but I drink a ton of diet ginger ale. Do I now have to quit my last vice?

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:17 AM

57. I drink a lot of Diet Coke, and I will continue to do so.

I take these studies with a huge grain of salt. If I listened to them all and stopped doing what they tell me to stop doing, I might as well be dead.

Yes, I'm feeling rather cynical this morning.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:39 AM

58. You need not worry

You have to take studies like this with a grain of salt. They are not about the diet soda but more about human behavior and people who think because they drink diet soda they can consume more fat overall in everything else. I don't believe the study indicated that the diet soda itself was a heightened cause of diabetes, just that people's behavior while drinking it increased the risk.

As long as you are not overall eating badly I wouldn't worry about it- drink all you want.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:11 PM

50. I'm wondering;

Who might have funded/co funded a study such as this.

I'd also like to see the complete methodology.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:12 PM

52. I have diabetes in my family and I'm hooked on pop!

I feel like I can't function until I have Diet Dr. Pepper.

If I can't drink it or the Dr. Pepper, what should I do? People tell me green tea. I hate green tea.

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Response to Redfairen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:51 PM

56. " . . more than double among those who drank up to 20 ounces per week."


Um . . somebody better tell em about Big Gulps.

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