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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:14 PM

 

France: Hundreds of Islamist militants killed in Mali

Source: BBC News

"Several hundred" Islamist militants have been killed since France launched an offensive in Mali last month, the French defence minister has said.

Jean-Yves Le Drian said they had been killed in airstrikes and direct combat with French troops.

The militants died in French airstrikes on vehicles carrying fighters and materials, or in ground fighting in the town of Konna at the start of the campaign and later in the town of Gao, Mr Le Drian said.

He said French troops had inflicted "great damage on the jihadist terrorist groups", saying "several hundred, a significant number" of Islamist fighters had been killed.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21343473

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Reply France: Hundreds of Islamist militants killed in Mali (Original post)
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 OP
Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #1
dbackjon Feb 2013 #2
Archae Feb 2013 #4
cosmicone Feb 2013 #14
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #20
cosmicone Feb 2013 #28
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #30
cosmicone Feb 2013 #42
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #43
cosmicone Feb 2013 #44
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #45
cosmicone Feb 2013 #46
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #47
Ash_F Feb 2013 #58
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #50
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2013 #55
Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #5
Archae Feb 2013 #6
Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #7
Archae Feb 2013 #9
Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #11
Lasher Feb 2013 #8
cosmicone Feb 2013 #15
leftynyc Feb 2013 #29
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #34
leftynyc Feb 2013 #35
Ash_F Feb 2013 #37
leftynyc Feb 2013 #40
dbackjon Feb 2013 #10
Alamuti Lotus Feb 2013 #12
dbackjon Feb 2013 #13
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #18
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #21
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #22
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #23
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #24
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #25
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #26
UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #27
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #32
cali Feb 2013 #39
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #51
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #19
leftynyc Feb 2013 #31
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #33
leftynyc Feb 2013 #36
jzodda Feb 2013 #16
cosmicone Feb 2013 #52
Catherina Feb 2013 #3
cosmicone Feb 2013 #17
onwardsand upwards Feb 2013 #38
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #41
redgreenandblue Feb 2013 #48
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #49
independentpiney Feb 2013 #53
Lasher Feb 2013 #54
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #56
independentpiney Feb 2013 #57

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:40 PM

1. this war criminal is actually bragging about his body count?

 

the brass balls and arrogance of these chauvinist aggressors is astounding. Well, I suppose the casual flippance to their speech is warranted--they know that the UN's so-called Security Council is just a fig leaf for the avarice and greed of its permanent members (with no exceptions), and nothing ever happens to aggressor gangs like theirs whose unwavering belief in their own superiority grants themselves special permissions to run roughshod over all peoples of the world. I hope he breaks his arm while patting himself on the back.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:46 PM

2. Why is he a war criminal?

Do you support the Islamist terrorists that were destroying Mali?

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:04 PM

4. Apparently yes.

I've seen this constantly, any group that is anti-Western nations is ok, no matter how many atrocities they commit.
I've also seen this with groups that have taken the old Cold War "sure he's a bastard, but he's an anti-communist bastard" policy and reversed it.
The Hugo Phanbois, Ahmenajad groupies, Palestinians-Can-Do-No-Wrong people, the works.

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Response to Archae (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:34 AM

14. Some DUers are impossible to reason with.

To them, anything the terrorists do is ok because it is in retaliation for some imaginary injustice.

Some groups just have a right to commit terrorist atrocities because they were victimized and feel powerless so terrorism is the only way to go. Western countries are just supposed to be sympathetic and understanding of the poor pious terrorists who are only doing it for their religious beliefs and not shoot them even if they are out to kill you.

It is very similar to saying "Poor Ted Bundy shouldn't be punished because he had a horrible childhood."

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:10 AM

20. And some people recognize that life is more complicated than your simplistic worldview.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:02 AM

28. Please educate me about what is simplistic

my statement the gist of it was, "a strong response to terrorism is warranted and terrorism should never be justified?"

Are you saying some terrorism is justified and doesn't deserve a strong response?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:07 AM

30. Oh lord....

Define terrorism please.

Here's something for you to consider: All efforts to internationally condemn terrorism have failed. Guess why. Because it was not possible to draft a law which the USA was not in violation of.

But this is a thread about Mali, not about terrorism.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:47 AM

42. ahhhh .... I get it .....

so just because terrorism cannot be precisely defined to everyone's satisfaction, it is legal and justifiable. That makes all reactions to said terrorism to be war crimes, genocide etc. etc.

I just love some of the people's thinking on DU.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:11 AM

43. lol. that is quite some logic you have there.

yeah, having a definition of the things which one is against is usually a good idea.

OR, one can simply do what you are doing, which is bully and insult people. works just as well, I suppose.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:22 AM

44. Many things cannot be precisely defined in legal terms

... like love ...

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist and doesn't mean one cannot act upon it.

Perhaps you are not against terrorism because you are sympathetic with their cause.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:26 AM

45. now you are accusing me of being for something which you cannot define.

it just keeps getting better....

please link to a post where I said terrorism is nice.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:31 AM

46. You don't have to say it in so many words.

By attacking my anti-terrorism and pro-France posts, you are indirectly and implicitly supporting the people who rained terror on Mali.

btw .... just curious -- what does the green in your screen name stand for?

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:47 AM

47. Ah. Anyone who doesn't like your attitude is a terrorist supporter. I get it.

My take on Mali is that I am unsure what is going on and what the background of the current events is. And that I am pretty sure that your knowledge doesn't extend very far beyond what you heard on the news. And yet, here you are making grand sweeping statements, labeling people as terrorist supporters and so on. I'm sure you very much enjoyed the climate during the Iraq invasion.

My screenname has many different interpretations. From the top of my head, I could list at least five. For you: Green is one of the three colors a quark can have. The others are red and blue. Three quarks make a proton or a neutron.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:34 AM

58. France has rained good deal of terror on Mali

Read some history.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:55 AM

50. Disgusting cheap shot.

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Response to Archae (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:26 PM

55. So have you reversed it.

"Hugo Phanbois"? you imply that you think "he's a bastard, because he's a socialist bastard" And what atrocities has he committed? Sure he's a politician, which means he may very will be corrupted in the local sense and he's somewhat of a megalomaniac, but he's been freely elected (observed by international monitors) and he has brought many benifets to the poor and underprivaleged in Venezuela.

"Ahmenajad groupies" You REALLY think there are those on DU that are "groupies" of him? Suuuuuuuure

"Palestinians-Can-Do-No-Wrong" By that I will assume you mean groups like Hamas and not the actual citizens of Gaza and the West Bank. Again....I think you are reaching.

There is a difference between asking the question WHY?, like the MSM and the Bush administration ignored after 9/11, and saying terrorism is "OK". The "they hate us for our freedom" is insanely ridiculous. Like terrorists just woke up one day and decided to become one (because they hate freedom). IMO many Americans fear knowing the WHY, which is reflected in the MSM, and so are conditioned to believe it is unpatriotic to even unearth and know any historical bad behaviour that the USA has fomented around the world in order to dismiss their role in the blowback.

*****

OK, now that I've gotten that off my chest. My sister is working in Mali. I fear for her safety. The Islamist militants CANNOT be allowed to take over that great and ancient country. They have already burned priceless ancient documents and destroyed ancient tombstone temples. As they've swept through they execute villagers who are not of the same faith, forced women into archaic sub-servitude and under strict paternal restrictions. And this article clearly states that the French attack was on military targets.

Ultimately, it is education and social infrastructure that will help stabilize Northern Mali, but for now these terrorists have to be stopped ...as surgically as possible of course.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:27 PM

5. is that how this proud mass murderer conducts his press conferences, also?

 

the fact that you even frame the ridiculous question with such brainless insinuations tells me much about you:--you have little understanding of the world beyond the soundbytes you hear from politicians, and, as such, we have nothing really to discuss. I say good day to you.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:48 PM

6. Lame attempt at dodging the question.

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Response to Archae (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:51 PM

7. Lame attempt at asking the question in the first place

 

You're with us or the terrorists--now why does that seem so familiar? Sounds like the same old Bushshit that at some point was opposed in these parts. I suppose it's trendy now, I can never keep up with those things.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:57 PM

9. Except here the stuation is far different.

These Mali Islamists are vicious, they are religious bigots who will maim and kill anyone who doesn't recite the Koran THEIR way, they have destroyed national treasures, they deserve *NO* sympathy or support.

But...

Since French troops are "picking on them," I guess then the atrocities they commit are just fine with you.

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Response to Archae (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:21 AM

11. reads just like a press release from the French government

 

That is to say, an enormously dumbed down fictionalized version of events crafted for the task of convincing an enormously dumbed down audience to obediently go along with the invasion de jour. I don't know why these politicians put so much work (and PR cash) into packing tight the hypocritical excuses for their latest rounds of barely disguised profiteering and adventurism, it's not like you people really require much convincing whenever these things come along. But, it does give you plenty of fine-sounding sentiments to hurl at your humble narrator, so it's not a total loss; the problem is, I don't take them seriously, and I don't think you're saving the world (quite the nearly diametric opposite, actually).

Now, if destroying national treasures is justification for mass murder in your books, I propose that you take aim at the US Ambassador in Lebanon, as pictured here recently destroying ancient ruins in Tyre while trespassing on some non-vehicular shortcut:


I'll send GPS coordinates to the French Air Force for the US Embassy in the area, you watch the target from the ground and let those civilizing bombs fly.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:54 PM

8. I'm going to mark that down as a 'yes' answer to Dbackjon's question.

Ansar Dine and AQIM deserved what they got. Hooray for the good guys for routing this vermin.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:35 AM

15. +1,000,000 n/t

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Response to Lasher (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:03 AM

29. Amen

Anyone who is defending the terrorists in Mali brings nothing but disgust from me and shame to this board.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:13 AM

34. Anyone who believes a narrative without doing their own research

and simply repeats what is being said on the news lowers the collective IQ of this board.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:23 AM

35. Shoo

al queda has made their thoughts on women and education clear to the entire world. And you, on a progressive board, defend them. Your anti-west mentality has rotted your brain.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:56 AM

37. Hey look, we are un-ironically calling posters "ANTI-WESTERN"

Oh no we've got to do something to stop the ANTI-WESTERN infiltrators.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 08:06 AM

40. If you've got another way

to describe people who are so convinced the west is responsible for all the ills in the world to the extent they would defend al queda, have at it.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:31 AM

13. No, it is not nonsense

The Terrorists in Mali are the same that attacked the United States.

No regard for any civil rights. Do you believe that women should be tortured, gays executed?

You do know that the French saved the lives of several Malians who were about to be executed for being gay, don't you? DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS?

Answer the questions - or are you afraid to expose your true nature for all to see here?

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:02 AM

18. Do you have any actual thoughts of your own on the subject?

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:34 AM

21. Do you?

 

Where do you get your facts?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:36 AM

22. I'm not the one who claims to know what is going on.

But some people here apparently have written PhD theses on the history of Mali. Or so one would think.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:42 AM

23. So you have no knowledge of Mali whatsoever?

 

Do you read anything online?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:50 AM

24. I have superficial knowledge, like most people here.

I picked up the basics in the last few weeks. Tuareg in the North, allegedly Al Quaeda too. A less-than-democratic government in the South. Apparently both at war with each other. France thinks one side needs to be backed.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:54 AM

25. All knowledge is suspect.

 

You can't believe anything you read. How do you know you're not reading propaganda?

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:58 AM

26. That is sort of my point.

Unless a person has contrasted perhaps a few dozen independent sources against each other, they cannot know whether they are reading and repeating propaganda.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:01 AM

27. How do you know these independent sources aren't actually propaganda?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:10 AM

32. You don't initially. That is why you need many.

Some may be propaganda. You can contrast them against each other. The method is not infallible but you do have a chance of approaching the truth in such a way.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:36 AM

39. So, apparently, do the vast majority of Mali's citizens

Support, on the ground, for the intervention, is high- according to virtually every source.

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Response to cali (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:02 PM

51. The Tuaregs, however, are a bit nervous.

Since they have been subjected to reprisals by the glorious Malian Army.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/arabs-tuaregs-mali-face-hostility-amid-war-18375652

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:03 AM

19. Lol, but you have all the clues yes?

And that is why you go on the web and quote soundbites?

Prove that you have detailed knowledge about the recent history of Mali (say the last 20 years). Otherwise, you simply don't know what is going on, just like the rest of us, and are simply believing the narrative that the French government is putting out.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:09 AM

31. As opposed to the narrative

al queda is putting out. And what narrative would that be? Oh yeah, the one where if a girl wants to go to school, she'll get acid thrown in her face, that women have to cover up from head to toe so she doesn't entice men, the one where reciting the koran is considered an education. These are the people you are defending. You must be so proud.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:11 AM

33. You are the one putting out a narrative.

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:26 AM

36. al queda

is no secret. They have announced their beliefs to the entire world. I had nothing to do with it other than knowing the world is a better place with less of them to inflict their damage onto others. You want to defend animals? Knock yourself out.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:38 AM

16. I was just wondering where on the .net I could go to get the Pro Islamist viewpoint

and then I remembered that this place has some extremists.

Thanks for letting me find you so easily.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:24 PM

52. lol n/t

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:56 PM

3. +1000 n/t

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:38 AM

17. Go France !!!!! n/t

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:30 AM

38. The French are terrorists

Remember the Rainbow Warrior!

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 08:08 AM

41. The issue here is not one of anyone apparently supporting the jihadists

Its one of understanding the background to that area and Mali in general. The jihadists took advantage of general dissatisfaction by the Tuaregs.

For some history of the northern area see here : The Crisis in Mali: A Historical Perspective on the Tuareg People.

The Tuareg are a people that have lived in northern Mali “as early as the fifth century BCE” according to Herodotus. After establishing the city of Timbuktu in the 11th century, the Tuareg “traded, traveled, and conquered throughout Saharan” over the next four centuries, eventually converting to Islam in the 14th century, which allowed them to “gain great wealth trading salt, gold, and black slaves.” This independence was swept away when the French colonized Mali when they “defeated the Tuareg at Timbuktu and established borders and administrative districts to rule the area until Mali declared independence in 1960.” The Tuareg people have consistently wanted self-independence and in pursuit of such goals have engaged in a number of rebellions.

The first was in 1916 when, in response to the French not giving the Tuareg their own autonomous zone (called Azawad) as was promised, they revolted. The French violently quelled the revolt and “subsequently confiscated important grazing lands while using Tuaregs as forced conscripts and labor – and fragmented Tuareg societies through the drawing of arbitrary boundaries between Soudan and its neighbors.”

Yet, this did not end the Tuareg goal of an independent, sovereign state. Once the French had ceded Mali independence, the Tuareg began to push toward their dream of establishing Azawad once again with “several prominent Tuareg leaders for a separate Tuareg homeland consisting of northern Mali and parts of modern day Algeria, Niger, Mauritania. black politicians like Modibo Keita, Mali’s first President, made it clear that independent Mali would not cede its northern territories.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-crisis-in-mali-a-historical-perspective-on-the-tuareg-people/5321407

The other issue is one of corporate interests in Mali.

Small example here : Malian Farmers Want Their Land Back. http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/09/malian-farmers-want-their-land-back/

The general background to that is that the Malian government appropriated ALL farmland much of which has been turned over to western corporates for the production of sugar largely for the purpose of producing ethanol for export to the west. General unrest there had already caused the SA sugar company to pull out last May leaving really only FL based Schaffer Global Group. The significance of loss of private farmland lies in the absense of shea trees striped from the land for sugar production. Those tree have historically been used by Malian women for what is mainly their sole occupation - production of shea butter for use in the worldwide cosmetics industry.

If anyone thinks that issues in northern Mali, which is the size of Afghanistan, are solved then dream on.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:50 AM

48. Forget it. Learning about background is soo pro-terrorist of you.

If your brain stretches one inch beyond "for us or against us" and you can name the tribes in Mali then you obviously hate the West and love Jihad. Didn't you know?

(/irony)

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Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:11 AM

49. Irony /sarcasm noted

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:05 PM

53. Unbelievable that any DU'ers would prefer AQIM to French intervention

regardless of the Tuareg's issues, the state of the Malian government , France's brutal colonial history, or how much self loathing they have for being relatively affluent westerners.

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Response to independentpiney (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:16 PM

54. Hacking off people's hands and feet is a bad thing.

I don't need a PHD in Mali history to understand that. And there is no mystic plane of enlightenment where such acts magically morph into something acceptable.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 02:50 PM

56. In some ways just as bad as

Three-strikes law : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_strikes_law

Removal of limbs is their equivalent for sequential instances of theft. Neither are right.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:04 PM

57. 3 strikes is bad law but there is no equivalency

And to my knowledge, dismemberment for theft is not sequential other than that if they've already chopped off one limb..... it doesn't start with a finger wag and lecture or 30 days for a first offense and go from there. But never mind theft, let's talk apostasy. Their punishment for that is decapitation. What's the equivalent for that, or is that a morally relative cultural difference?

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