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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:44 PM

BREAKING: Hostage Situation Ends, 5-year-old Child is Safe, Kidnapper Dead, U.S. Official Says

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Source: CBS News

@CBSNews: BREAKING NEWS: A U.S. official says Alabama hostage situation is over: kidnapped child is alive, kidnapper is dead http://t.co/s2drA6vF

Also: @BreakingNews: Reports of explosions near Midland City, Alabama, hostage scene - @abc3340, WJHG-TV

Alabama Standoff Update: Hostage situation ends, 5-year-old child is safe, kidnapper dead, U.S. official says

February 04, 2013

(CBS/AP) MIDLAND CITY, Ala. - A U.S. official tells CBS News that a nearly week-long hostage standoff in which a 5-year-old was being held captive in southeast Alabama has ended in the kidnapper's death. The child is said to be okay.

Authorities said 65-year-old Jimmy Dykes gunned down a school bus driver Tuesday and abducted a 5-year-old boy from the bus before taking him to an underground bunker on his rural property. The driver, 66-year-old Charles Poland Jr., was buried Sunday.

Dykes, a decorated Vietnam-era veteran described as a loner who railed against the government, lived up a dirt road just off the main road north to the state capital of Montgomery, about 80 miles away.

CBS radio affiliate WSB says reporters heard what may have been a concussion grenade before ambulance and fire vehicles went to and from Dykes' property about 4p.m. Eastern Time Monday.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml

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Reply BREAKING: Hostage Situation Ends, 5-year-old Child is Safe, Kidnapper Dead, U.S. Official Says (Original post)
Hissyspit Feb 2013 OP
Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #1
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #67
FourScore Feb 2013 #2
mikeysnot Feb 2013 #3
OKNancy Feb 2013 #4
get the red out Feb 2013 #5
leftynyc Feb 2013 #6
intaglio Feb 2013 #7
Hissyspit Feb 2013 #14
alsame Feb 2013 #8
MrScorpio Feb 2013 #9
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #30
Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #34
raccoon Feb 2013 #69
WilliamPitt Feb 2013 #10
BumRushDaShow Feb 2013 #11
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #12
kysrsoze Feb 2013 #13
dbackjon Feb 2013 #15
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #16
nytemare Feb 2013 #43
musical_soul Feb 2013 #63
Luciferous Feb 2013 #17
ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2013 #18
lillypaddle Feb 2013 #19
FedUpWithIt All Feb 2013 #20
randr Feb 2013 #21
randome Feb 2013 #36
maxsolomon Feb 2013 #44
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #48
yardwork Feb 2013 #52
randr Feb 2013 #60
musical_soul Feb 2013 #65
pasto76 Feb 2013 #58
musical_soul Feb 2013 #64
freshwest Feb 2013 #22
Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #23
Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #24
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #38
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #39
nolabear Feb 2013 #25
onehandle Feb 2013 #26
sasha031 Feb 2013 #27
JI7 Feb 2013 #29
freshwest Feb 2013 #45
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #28
randome Feb 2013 #35
freshwest Feb 2013 #46
krispos42 Feb 2013 #31
LizW Feb 2013 #32
sasha031 Feb 2013 #33
freshwest Feb 2013 #47
rocktivity Feb 2013 #37
Number23 Feb 2013 #40
revmclaren Feb 2013 #41
randome Feb 2013 #42
yardwork Feb 2013 #53
Skittles Feb 2013 #68
Milliesmom Feb 2013 #49
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #55
happyslug Feb 2013 #59
davidpdx Feb 2013 #50
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #51
Warpy Feb 2013 #54
independentpiney Feb 2013 #56
olddad56 Feb 2013 #62
underpants Feb 2013 #57
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #61
Kennah Feb 2013 #66
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:45 PM

1. Whew!

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:45 PM

2. YES!!!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:47 PM

3. best news.

If that was my boy I would hold him in my arms for ever even after he went to college.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:53 PM

5. This is wonderful

I have worried about that poor little boy.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:53 PM

6. Excellent news

The parents must be tempted to never let him leave their sight again.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:55 PM

7. Caution! your direct link to CBS doesn't work and

The short link to CBS main page says nothing about the crisis ending.

No word yet on any other news source according to Google.

edit to add there is a "breaking news" headline but no link

edit to add http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/Alabama-Hostage-Situation-Ends-189718371.html

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Response to intaglio (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:03 PM

14. That's the link CBS always sends out initially with breaking news.

It's kind of annoying they do that. Thanks for the alt link.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:55 PM

8. On MSNBC now. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:55 PM

9. From the bus driver to the kidnapper, it's a shame that people had to die over this thing

This country has lost its mind

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:43 PM

30. The kidnapper was a vile asshole

He will not be missed

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:58 PM

34. Its a shame the bus driver died.

I really don't give a shit about the kidnapper. A bullet is much cheaper than life in prison anyway.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:53 AM

69. ITA! nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:56 PM

10. Link #1 doesn't have the story, link #2 doesn't work.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:56 PM

11. Talking about it on MSNBC (Martin Bashir) right now. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:00 PM

12. Thanks goodness, having worked with a 5 year old Autistic Boy

My heart goes out to his parents, and I am very happy that this had a happy ending for him, and his family.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:00 PM

13. AWESOME111!!!!1!!!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:04 PM

15. Good!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:05 PM

16. So they charged in? or Dykes shot himself?

Now that it's over, I'm very interested to hear the nature of his conversations with the police for the past week...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:17 PM

43. I wish I could see an article that explained.

All the ones I've seen are re-hashes of other articles, and don't really go into what happened with the recovery of the 5 year old, etc.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:19 AM

63. They shot the kidnapper.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM

17. That is great news. I was worried about that little guy.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM

18. You would think Huffington Post would be all over this.

But Beyonce and Super Bowl commercials are more important I guess.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:14 PM

19. OMG, what have we become?

Thank god that baby is safe.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:16 PM

20. I actually breathed a sigh of relief.

I am very glad the boy is safe.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:20 PM

21. One less right wing coward--nc

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Response to randr (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM

36. He was mentally unbalanced. Don't confuse the two.

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Response to randome (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:24 PM

44. He was both

Don't separate the 2

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Response to randome (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:50 PM

48. You mean, there is a difference?

Any one of us can be narcissistic to some extent, but almost by definition, very right-wing people who do not believe in helping others, who want their guns and have a self-centered definition of freedom are mentally ill. Those are the traits of narcissism as well as some other mental illnesses.

Campbell and Foster (2007) review the literature on narcissism. They argue that narcissists possess the following "basic ingredients":

Positive: Narcissists think they are better than others.
Inflated: Narcissists' views tend to be contrary to reality. In measures that compare self-report to objective measures, narcissists' self-views tend to be greatly exaggerated.
Agentic: Narcissistsí views tend to be most exaggerated in the agentic domain, relative to the communion domain.
Special: Narcissists perceive themselves to be unique and special people.
Selfish: Research upon narcissistsí behaviour in resource dilemmas supports the case for narcissists as being selfish.
Oriented toward success: Narcissists are oriented towards success by being, for example, approach oriented.
. . .

Malignant narcissism

Malignant narcissism, a term first coined in a book by Erich Fromm in 1964, is a syndrome consisting of a cross breed of the narcissistic personality disorder, the antisocial personality disorder, as well as paranoid traits. The malignant narcissist differs from narcissistic personality disorder in that the malignant narcissist derives higher levels of psychological gratification from accomplishments over time (thus worsening the disorder). Because the malignant narcissist becomes more involved in this psychological gratification, in the context of the right conditions, they are apt to develop the antisocial, the paranoid, and the schizoid personality disorders. The term malignant is added to the term narcissist to indicate that individuals with this disorder have a powerful form of narcissism that has made them ill in the forms of paranoid and anti-social traits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Collective_or_group_narcissism

Narcissism leads to paranoia and then to big problems. No one of us is the center of the world. When we think that we are, we are in trouble. It's a tough balance. What we today call the "conservative philosophy" is virtually the textbook description of narcissism.

In my opinion, the characters that Ayn Rand described as her "heroes" were narcissists. Quite possibly verging on or actually paranoid.

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Response to randome (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:02 PM

52. Reports say that he listened to right-wing radio and hated Obama and the government.

He was a right-winger.

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Response to randome (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:05 PM

60. Right wing thinking leads to mental imbalance

Consider that a person is not brain "washed" but, rather brain "diseased".

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Response to randr (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:23 AM

65. I've read the same thing on conservative message boards....

With conservatives thinking liberals were brainwashed, had diseases or something else.

Seriously, this is just a nasty and wrong way of thinking.

Why can't we disagree with the other side without hating them? Why can't they disagree with us without hating us?

And no, I don't want to hear "This is different because..." They say the same things.

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Response to randr (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:20 AM

64. We have no information about this guy's politics....

In any case, he clearly had mental problems.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:23 PM

22. Exhaling deep breath. More details later, no doubt. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:26 PM

23. Did Kidnapper take his own life or did the police kill him?

Since there was an explosion before the gunshot it sounds like the police had done something...like blasting in and then Kidnapper killed himself. Maybe even the police killer him? We' ll find out in a few minutes. Thank god the boy is alive and OK. He must have a very happy mother!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM

24. I wonder why they call him

a decorated Vietnam Era veteran? According to what I read he got a Vietnam Service Medal (everyone who landed there got one) and a Good Conduct Medal. Sorry, that doesn't qualify as a 'decorated' veteran in my book. Glad the child is ok............

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:02 PM

38. Exactly. And from other reports, he was a paper pusher, having never served in combat. nt

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:09 PM

39. Fits in with the "Vietnam Vets are nuts" narrative.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:31 PM

25. So glad. Press conf. in about 5 min. (2:35 PST)

I hope the little one is okay, and that those involved find some kind of peace. Difficult times.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:32 PM

26. Good. Take note, NRAhadists. You can be taken. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:37 PM

27. per CNN the FBI were the ones who rescued Ethan



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Response to sasha031 (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM

29. jack booted thugs according to wayne lapierre

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:34 PM

45. +1

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:40 PM

28. Elderly man gunned down in front of young child in his home by brazen cops

Just getting the alternate DU headline out there.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:59 PM

35. Probably not the time for this.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:35 PM

46. Yep, you got it. Will be on the RW blogs - they're coming for yur gunz! It's started!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM

31. Whew!

Good news

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:48 PM

32. Just got text from my brother

They could wait no longer. Dykes was deteriorating. FBI breached the bunker. My brother says, "I am humbled by the courage of my friends."

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Response to LizW (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:57 PM

33. thank you so much for on the ground the updates

greatly appreciate it, your brother, all law enforcement & the FBI rocks
we are all so relieved that Nathan is safe.

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Response to LizW (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:36 PM

47. So are we humbled. Thank your brother for me (us), please.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM

37. CUE THE VONAGE THEME!


rocktivity

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:12 PM

40. Thank God. Thank God.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:12 PM

41. This 'gun nut' thought he could commit murder,

take an innocent child hostage and hide in his bunker until he got what he wanted. This should be a wake-up call to all the bunker owning 'gun nuts' out there.

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Response to revmclaren (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:17 PM

42. Dykes was mentally unbalanced. No one will learn a lesson from him.

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Response to randome (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:04 PM

53. Lots of people are "mentally unbalanced." This one was filled with right-wing hate.

Millions and millions of people have mental health issues. The vast majority of us don't do what this man did. The vast majority of us don't listen to hate radio all day long. This man may have been mentally unbalanced. Hate radio swooped in and took advantage of that. They wanted another foot soldier in their war. Sometimes the foot soldiers go a little too far.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:54 AM

68. I believe you are correct, yardwork

when I see what rightwing garbage has done to "regular" folk, it is not much of a stretch to believe it could do massive harm to someone who is already unbalanced

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:57 PM

49. I don't understand

If they entered and shot him, why weren't they able to do this earlier, they knew it would not have a good ending. He killed a man, he was not coming out alive.

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:10 PM

55. Well thank goodness they did take their time

I'm sure there is lot's of recon and planning prior to carrying out an assault like this.

I say thank goodness because it had a good ending.

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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:44 PM

59. If the people who took the compound did it right, it would take a few days to plan.

First you have to get an idea of how big a place he is hold up in. Then build a duplicate. Train your men (WHo I will call the "attacking group") on how to enter the compound and NOT kill the child. The Duplicate does NOT have to be exact, just whatever barriers the Police may face be addressed (in the training exercise, the wall can be paper, but have the Attacking Group being train to treat them as if they were solid).

You have the Attacking force that will take the compound do it over and over again, so that it becomes second nature to them. Military units do this all the time, if they know the actual operation they will be performing, they do it over and over again till it is automatic with them.

Once the attacking force is trained, you wait till the best possible time. Best when the Hostage taker is asleep. Over a few days an observer will notice when the hostage holder sleeps and where, that is given to the attacking group who modify they plans accordingly.

Then the attack order is given and the attack group goes in. Te operation is over is 2-5 seconds.

Please note the Attacking force does NOT have to be near where they are attacking while they are training. They can be at a Central Location where they can train in secret and then driven or flown to the site where they are to take out the Hostage Taker.

Such an operation has to take a few days, to rush it is to go in NOT knowing where the Hostage taker is, NOT knowing where the Hostage is AND not trained so that everything comes automatically to the attacking force.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:58 PM

50. What a relief for that poor boy and his family

It is about a good of an outcome as can be expected.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:00 PM

51. Good riddance. Once you harm a child, I don't care how many illnesses you have. nt

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:05 PM

54. Another casualty of that rotten war

I doubt if his screws would have been that loose had he not gone to fight another old men's war of convenience in Vietnam.

Modern warfare destroys human beings. We need to make sure it is kept incredibly rare. We need to get the chickenhawk neocons out of our government and out of the Pentagon. And some day, war needs to be obsolete.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:14 PM

56. It doesn't sound like he was a combat vet

His screws were more likely loosened by right wing hate radio right back here in the good ol' USA. Don't disagree with any of your other points.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:13 PM

62. I don't remember him, but we were both in the same outfit in the Navy at the same time.

This guy saw no combat in Vietnam. However, he could have been in DaNang during the Tet Offensive of 68. The VC came pretty close to over running the base during that ordeal. We had a detachment in DaNang, we would rotate people down there from our home base in Atsugi Japan. We were a naval aviation surveillance squadron.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:32 PM

57. Fox News actually tried to soften the image of this a-hole Dykes "boy..released"

Boy in center of Alabama hostage standoff released, abductor dead

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/04/boy-in-center-alabama-hostage-standoff-released-source-says/#ixzz2Jyq7dr6k

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:09 PM

61. Kick! n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:42 AM

66. Say goodnight, Crazy.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:32 AM

70. An older,white and armed angry male who was egged on to violence by teabag hate radio

Murdered a bus driver and scarred a child for life, got what was coming to him.

When will Rush Limpballs and his unholy legions of hate radio talkers get theirs?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:52 PM

71. Were any guns harmed by the jack booted thugs?

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