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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:17 PM

India’s President approves death penalty in some rape cases

Source: Raw Story



By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, February 3, 2013 14:41 EST

India’s president on Sunday approved harsher punishments for rapists, including the death penalty, after a brutal gang-rape in New Delhi sparked national outrage and triggered demands for tougher laws.

President Pranab Mukherjee gave his assent to the new rape law two days after cabinet ministers recommended changes to improve safety for women.

“The Indian president has given his assent to the ordinance on crime against women. It comes into effect immediately but it will also be tabled before the parliament,” a senior officer in the president’s office told AFP.

A government-appointed panel and the cabinet had recommended tougher laws after the death of a 23-year-old woman who was savagely raped and attacked in a bus on December 16 and died nearly two weeks later.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/03/indias-president-approves-death-penalty-in-some-rape-cases/

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Reply India’s President approves death penalty in some rape cases (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
crim son Feb 2013 #1
CreekDog Feb 2013 #10
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #13
musical_soul Feb 2013 #27
KamaAina Feb 2013 #2
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #3
KamaAina Feb 2013 #6
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #7
KamaAina Feb 2013 #16
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #20
KamaAina Feb 2013 #22
Occulus Feb 2013 #25
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #28
FrodosPet Feb 2013 #30
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #31
cosmicone Feb 2013 #18
cosmicone Feb 2013 #4
polly7 Feb 2013 #5
2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #8
cosmicone Feb 2013 #17
FrodosPet Feb 2013 #29
cosmicone Feb 2013 #32
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #14
Trajan Feb 2013 #9
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #19
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #11
La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #21
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #12
SylviaD Feb 2013 #15
NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #23
MrSlayer Feb 2013 #24
dkf Feb 2013 #26

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:53 PM

1. Not pro-death penalty.

Put them together in a walled compound and let them figure out how to survive.

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Response to crim son (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:45 AM

10. we've had multiple convicted rapists declared innocent in the past few years

the seriousness of the accusations and crimes surely would have given them the death penalty under this plan.

or gotten them killed by other prisoners under your plan.

in other words, innocent people would have been killed with your idea and with the proposed idea.

so i think you are wrong on this one.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:04 AM

13. where? In India?

because that's what the article is talking about.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:08 AM

27. Is there a big chance of a conviction in India?

Look at how hard and how long it's been to get this much done.

That said, I also disagree with the death penalty. They should be made to think about what they've done for the rest of their life with little to no luxuries.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:55 PM

2. I guess he never read "To Kill A Mockingbird".

"He's a n----r accused of rape. Of course he's guilty!"

I hate to see India emulating Jim Crow-era Alabama and Mississippi.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:11 PM

3. i dont think jim-crow reasoning is behind this ruling at all

its not an emualation of the west but an answer to the brutal rape in delhi

although i personally think this is not the solution, i dont think your analogy works in india at all

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:49 PM

6. The death penalty for anything except murder is backwards

sorry it had to happen in your country.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:25 PM

7. that's your opinion. i think the death penalty is backwards regardless

and i think rape is a bigger crime than murder in many cases. so if the death penalty is justified for murder, its justified for rape.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:59 AM

16. Well, okay, the death penalty for not-murder is even more backwards

)sigh)

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:28 PM

20. why? there are several instances in which murder is justified

and zero instances in which rape is. so why is murder worse or more backward?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:57 PM

22. If it's justified, by definition, it's not murder

hence the phrase "justifiable homicide".

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:45 PM

25. Successful false allegations of both occur

and I just completely undid all of what passes for your statement as logic.

Antonin Scalia used "logic" similar to yours in a death penalty decision once. He was almost universally condemned for his, just as you should be for yours.

Unreasonable doubt is, on occasion, ACCURATE doubt. This is part of why we have an appeals system. The successes of the Innocence Project proves, beyond ANY doubt, that we are on occasion wrong- flatly incorrect - when we levy a sentence of death upon the accused.

If you find a reliable way to resurrect the dead years after carrying out the sentence, let us know. Until then, or until you present a reliable method of determining guilt to a 100% rate of accuracy, the death penalty for every crime will carry the same uncertainty, regardless of the specific crime in question, and should thus never be applied, period.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:21 AM

28. it seems like you are arguing with yourself. i dont support the death penalty at all

i am just arguing that murder might not be a bigger crime than rape.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:47 AM

30. People survive rape. They don't survive murder

Other than an outlier or troll, no one is going to argue anything other than rape is horrible and the people who commit it are monsters.

The victims are emotionally, sometimes physically scarred. But they are vertical. They are breathing. And most of them manage to get through life and can contribute to the lives of others. With a successful murder - there is ZERO chance of any recovery whatsoever.

I've known victims of rape and molestation. Emotionally, I want to put a superhurt on the perp. Pliers and a blowtorch would be the opening act. Thank goodness the laws are not based on my emotions.

Whatever emotional rush it might provide - NO death penalty for rape, murder, or anything else.

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:55 AM

31. i am not advocating death penalty for either. however i do not think murder is necessarily

worse than rape. there are many many cases in which murder is understandable, and zero in which rape is.

assisted suicide in many places is considered murder. abused children or spouses killing their abuser is murder (if it was premeditated) but to me is somewhat justifiable, however there are no justifications for rape. at all. ever.

hence i still hold that murder is not necessarily worse than rape.

either way i dont believe in the death penalty but i do think its strange when people who believe that murder is the worst crime ever, feel that its justified when the state commits it through the vehicle of the death penalty

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:50 PM

18. In this case,

the woman was raped AND murdered. So it is even more justifiable.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:32 PM

4. I am not too fond of the death penalty

but it will be effective in India as a deterrent against rapes.

Rapes are generally carried out by cowardly and wimpy people who had been getting away with their crimes due to apathy and disinterest by the police and the justice system.

By creating special courts, a fast track system and the death penalty in combination will reduce rape instances by a very large percentage.

It is not based upon race as you suggest.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:34 PM

5. I agree 100% with this. nt.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:13 AM

8. It will?

Yeah, right.

Just like States here that have the DP have a much lower murder rate... oh wait.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:48 PM

17. Apples and oranges

Murders are more often committed by people who have nothing to lose and the fear of death doesn't stop the rush/passion/adrenaline from killing.

Rapes are committed by people who have something to lose and who generally fear death.

In a perverse and contradictory sense, the lesser the crime the more effective death penalty will be.

If shoplifting, check-kiting etc. were punishable by death, there will be a lot fewer of those crimes because of the nature of people who commit those crimes.

(I am not advocating death penalty for shoplifting or check-kiting -- just using them as examples)

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:37 AM

29. Maybe not race, but probably caste

Will an upper caste rapist be executed proportionally as often as an untouchable?

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:17 AM

32. All the rapists in this case are uppercaste.

Caste has no bearing in the justice system in most of India except some deep rural areas.

The CJ of India's Supreme Court is a former untouchable.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:06 AM

14. I don't see the prevailing notion

that a woman who is out after dark with a man who is not her husband or father is responsible for her rape being what is at play here in the US.

That happens to be the prevailing blame being put on women over there.

Jim Crow has nothing to do with India.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:36 AM

9. I am consistently anti-death penalty

Even in cases of rape ....

It is my understanding that little prosecution was actually pursued in India ... Give the crime the attention it deserves by arresting and prosecuting rapists, and bring convictions that will place them behind bars for much of their lives ... ALL of their life if it is warranted ....

But, if capital punishment is wrong, then it is always wrong .... I believe it is wrong ...

Life in prison is a rational and just punishment ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:07 PM

19. agreed

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:12 AM

11. This is pandering, not progressive politics.

Civilized countries are supposed to be moving away from the death penalty, not embracing it.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:29 PM

21. true

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:47 AM

12. One barbarity answered with another. :-/ n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:16 AM

15. As an anti-death penalty woman I am conflicted on this. Rape is heinous, but so is death pen. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:23 PM

23. Get rid of executions for all crimes.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:08 PM

24. I'm in favor.

 

I've been consistent in my advocacy to expand the death penalty to include violent rapists and pedophiles. Of course, the certainty factor I would require for murderers also would apply to these cases.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:50 PM

26. For the guy that ripped out that poor woman's intestines...

 

Death is too good.

Too bad we can't throw him in with our general population and let them at him.

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