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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:28 PM

1 dead, 1 injured in shooting near Detroit high school

Source: Detroit Free Press

A 70-year-old man was in police custody after allegedly shooting two teens during an attempted robbery, killing one and seriously injuring the other, Detroit police spokeswoman Sgt. Eren Stephens said Saturday.

The shooting occurred near Martin Luther King Jr. High School on Detroit’s east side around 7:15 p.m. Friday.

According to Stephens, the older man was allegedly approached by the two teens near Larned and Mt. Elliott, who announced a hold-up.

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Bet they didn't expect that as it was a gun free zone.

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Reply 1 dead, 1 injured in shooting near Detroit high school (Original post)
michreject Feb 2013 OP
MrScorpio Feb 2013 #1
michreject Feb 2013 #3
Robb Feb 2013 #2
michreject Feb 2013 #4
Jamaal510 Feb 2013 #6
Archae Feb 2013 #5
michreject Feb 2013 #7
Robb Feb 2013 #8
michreject Feb 2013 #10
bluedigger Feb 2013 #13
raidert05 Feb 2013 #15
Robb Feb 2013 #19
raidert05 Feb 2013 #22
snooper2 Feb 2013 #58
Robb Feb 2013 #59
snooper2 Feb 2013 #60
michreject Feb 2013 #16
bluedigger Feb 2013 #20
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #74
Robb Feb 2013 #80
Nevernose Feb 2013 #25
Recursion Feb 2013 #28
primavera Feb 2013 #61
Recursion Feb 2013 #62
primavera Feb 2013 #64
Socal31 Feb 2013 #33
Nevernose Feb 2013 #41
nick of time Feb 2013 #45
primavera Feb 2013 #63
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #75
Hoyt Feb 2013 #77
Populist_Prole Feb 2013 #34
tblue37 Feb 2013 #35
slackmaster Feb 2013 #43
primavera Feb 2013 #65
slackmaster Feb 2013 #66
primavera Feb 2013 #69
slackmaster Feb 2013 #70
primavera Feb 2013 #71
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #76
reACTIONary Feb 2013 #52
Recursion Feb 2013 #29
TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #9
michreject Feb 2013 #11
Recursion Feb 2013 #30
slackmaster Feb 2013 #44
Recursion Feb 2013 #46
slackmaster Feb 2013 #47
nick of time Feb 2013 #12
michreject Feb 2013 #14
nick of time Feb 2013 #18
formercia Feb 2013 #21
nick of time Feb 2013 #23
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #31
happyslug Feb 2013 #50
raidert05 Feb 2013 #17
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #24
Recursion Feb 2013 #26
Recursion Feb 2013 #27
ReRe Feb 2013 #32
tblue37 Feb 2013 #36
ReRe Feb 2013 #48
Robb Feb 2013 #37
nick of time Feb 2013 #38
L0oniX Feb 2013 #39
zigzag75 Feb 2013 #40
slackmaster Feb 2013 #42
Robb Feb 2013 #49
Socal31 Feb 2013 #54
Robb Feb 2013 #55
Socal31 Feb 2013 #57
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #79
valerief Feb 2013 #51
Dan Feb 2013 #53
Robb Feb 2013 #56
slackmaster Feb 2013 #67
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #68
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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:30 PM

1. I grew up in that neighborhood as a child nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:38 PM

3. I use to go to a Bar in that neighborhood

This was in the middle 70's. It was getting rough then.

Haven't been down there in years.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:32 PM

2. "They were comin' right for me!!"

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Response to Robb (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:39 PM

4. Where did the Quote come from?

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Response to michreject (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:42 PM

6. South Park

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Response to Robb (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:39 PM

5. Sounds like they were.

What was that elderly guy supposed to do?

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:44 PM

7. Die, of course

He only had a few choices.

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:46 PM

8. Right now we have one dead 16 year-old and a 15 year-old in the hospital.

And one man's story of what happened -- the shooter.

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Response to Robb (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:49 PM

10. The shooter was breaking the law

When he was on school grounds with a gun.

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Response to michreject (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:55 PM

13. Do you have more info than the link provides?

All it says is that he was near a school.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:59 PM

15. here is local news link

 

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit

Apparently he has a concealed carry permit and is a reserve police officer....

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Response to raidert05 (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:06 PM

19. A 70 year-old reserve officer?

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Response to Robb (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:07 PM

22. Hell

 

He could be retired same exemptions I do beleive

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Response to Robb (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:16 PM

58. what, you saying old people can't do stuff

AGEISM!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:18 PM

59. IIRC I read you had to be in the reserves before you'd be considered for a regular cop job.

Although more power to him if he's starting a new career. He might make Sergeant by 85.

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Response to Robb (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:21 PM

60. I have no idea and I'm too lazy to google it right now

LOL

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:59 PM

16. He was the coach of a girls basketball team

This was after practice.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130202/METRO/302020380/Teen-killed-shooting-outside-Detroit-high-school?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

According to reports, a 70-year-old man believed to be the girls basketball coach, was walking out from the school around 7:15 p.m. when two male teens approached and announced a hold up.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130202/METRO/302020380#ixzz2JnUpujr0

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Response to michreject (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:06 PM

20. Okay, thanks.

Maybe his reserve status will be sufficient to allow him to be carrying at the school. The kids chose the wrong mark, in any case.

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Response to Robb (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:07 PM

74. You are wrong. It was caught on school surveillance video.

Clearly shows what happened. And there were two teen girls with the coach who witnessed it.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:47 PM

80. Indeed, it was caught on video.

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:16 PM

25. He could have handed over his wallet

And now some kid is dead over a wallet and a few dollars.

I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the exact same thing, just pointing out that life very rarely has black and white situations.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:58 PM

28. The kid could have not robbed him

Victim-blaming is always wrong

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Response to Recursion (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:26 PM

61. Last time I checked...

... robbery wasn't a death penalty offense.

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Response to primavera (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:30 PM

62. Nor is it; this wasn't an execution (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:36 PM

64. I'm sure the dead kid's family will appreciate the distinction - n/t

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:15 AM

33. What?

Please tell me people don't actually think this way.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:27 PM

41. The question asked was

"What other option did the old man have?" I gave another option.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:41 PM

45. With no guarantee that those teens wouldn't have shot him anyway.

 

We weren't there, we don't know if he felt they were going to shoot him anyway or not. I tend to think that he felt he had no other option but to defend himself.
The bottom is that a teen is dead, another teen is wounded and probably going to be charged with the murder of his accomplice.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:35 PM

63. And no guarantee that those teens would have shot him

True, we weren't there and it is certainly possible that the offending teens posed a bona fide threat to the guy. It's also entirely possible that he overreacted and used deadly force prematurely and without cause. Since the end result of his action is somebody dying, that action is appropriately subject to pretty intense scrutiny. If the facts are that he was legitimately in danger of his life and had no other choice, then great, that will come out in the investigation and he'll be exonerated. If, on the other hand, he was paranoid and lacked the ability to handle a gun responsibly and somebody needlessly died because of that, then he shouldn't be granted carte blanche because he was the victim of a petty offense.

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Response to primavera (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:13 PM

75. The teens put a gun to his chest.

That is sufficient to warrant a deadly force response. It was caught on the school surveillance video, and witnessed by the two girls he was escorting.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:20 PM

77. But, in the end, they did not shoot him. If he'd handed over his wallet, they would have likely left


Of course, those steeped in guns always support the guy who pulls his gun and kills someone over property. In fact, they tend to cheer them.

I tend to believe that as more people arm up, criminals will just shoot first to prevent cowboys from drawing their weapon.

Whatever, I'm glad the old man and two girls are OK. That's the most important thing.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:34 AM

34. Yeah c,mon give us a break here

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:24 AM

35. Giving up the wallet doesn't always guarantee that the victim gets off without

being harmed or killed--just for the lulz. The fact that they were willing to threaten him to rob him means that they did not feel constrained by law or by any concern for his well being. How could he be sure they would not do worse even if he gave them his wallet?

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:34 PM

43. There was no guarantee the thugs wouldn't have killed him if he had cooperated

 

Shooting them was the prudent thing to do.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:43 PM

65. And now we'll never know, will we?

I always wonder how many of the shootings described by the shooters as legitimate use of lethal force for self defense were, in fact, necessary. Our default response seem to be to instantly accept at face value the report of the shooter, no questions asked. After all, we weren't there and we wouldn't want to "blame the victim." So, by this reasoning, 100% of self-defense shootings were absolutely necessary and prudent. Yet I would bet every penny I have that at least some of those shootings involved overreactions or even willful misinterpretations of intent on the part of the person "defending" him/herself. Where is the accountability for those acts?

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Response to primavera (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:11 PM

66. "Necessary" or not, according to the laws we all live under it was justifiable

 

Robbing people carries a real risk of early death; it is by definition a violent crime and people have an explicit right to use force to defend themselves against it.

...Yet I would bet every penny I have that at least some of those shootings involved overreactions or even willful misinterpretations of intent on the part of the person "defending" him/herself. Where is the accountability for those acts?

It is the duty of state and federal justice departments to determine whether or not sufficient evidence exists to challenge a claim of defensive use of deadly force. That's one of many professional services that we elect and pay them to deliver.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #66)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:32 PM

69. You don't know that, slackmaster

You weren't there anymore than I was. Even as I cannot know that the shooting wasn't justified, neither can you know that is was. I'm not saying that this particular shooting wasn't justified - I have no way of knowing whether it was or wasn't. My point is that it's dangerous to automatically accept at face value, no questions asked, any claim that a shooter appropriately acted in self defense. If we do, what is to prevent someone from deciding "Hey, I wanna go shoot me some niggers - I'll just say I felt threatened, so shooting them was self-defense"? Taking another human being's life is a very big deal. Every time it happens, we should be looking at that decision critically and impartially and asking ourselves whether it was a necessary action. When it was, so be it; when it wasn't, we shouldn't be instinctively circling the wagons defending such an action.

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Response to primavera (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:54 PM

70. Yes, it's a very big deal. I'm sure the coach understands that.

 

Of course questions should be asked, and it's not my job or yours to ask them. Even a legally and morally justified shooting has bad consequences including living with what you have done. RKBA proponents "get it."

I'll take the old man's word for it until I have a good reason not to. Maybe I'm identifying with him because I am also a senior citizen, and have been threatened by a "yoot" recently - someone much bigger and stronger than I am.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #70)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:16 PM

71. I guess I'm just reacting...

... to all of the eagerness in this thread to affirm the propriety of a death, the circumstances surrounding which we as yet know virtually nothing about. I just don't think it should be easy to claim a right to kill another human being. Yet, to go by the comments in this thread, the case is already closed, clear cut case of self defense, before the investigation has even started.

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Response to primavera (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:17 PM

76. Everybody involved was black, so you put the racism charge away. N/T

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Response to Archae (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:52 PM

52. Hand over his wallet, then call the cops....

...it happens all the time. Nobody gets killed, and eventually the cops catch the perps.

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Response to Robb (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:19 AM

29. Well... umm... they seem to have been, no? (nt)

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:48 PM

9. And so it starts again.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:50 PM

11. What starts again? nt

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:19 AM

30. What's that? (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:35 PM

44. Recursion

 

It starts again.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:48 PM

46. What's that? (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:09 PM

47. That for which an understanding requires an understanding of...

 

...recursion.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:53 PM

12. So far, sounds like a good case of self defense.

 

Unless other details come out, sounds like he may not be charged.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:56 PM

14. It seems like he was escorting one of the girls to a bus stop

He was a basketball coach.

News is sketchy right now. The mother of the dead suspect was just on the TV saying the usual.

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Response to michreject (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:03 PM

18. Thanks for the info.

 

It sounds like he even has a witness to what happened, if his story checks out, I'm betting that he won't even be charged.
Terrible that he has to go through this and also has to live with the fact that he had to take a life, but he must have felt in imminent danger for his life, and had no other choice.
So sad that a couple of teens felt they had to rob this man and now one is dead, which is tragic, and one is wounded and his life is forever changed.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:06 PM

21. The surviving teen will probably be charged with Murder

since he was participating in a crime that cost the life of his associate.

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Response to formercia (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:12 PM

23. Rightly so.

 

It definitely sounds like a righteous shooting.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:22 AM

31. Justifiable Homicide.

It was possibly a legally excusable homicide, not a bitchin' concert.

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Response to formercia (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:37 PM

50. Felony Murder was abolished in Michigan in 1980

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule_(Michigan)

Thus the survivor can NOT be charged with Murder under Michigan law.

In my home state of Pennsylvania he would not be charged for we do NOT extend the Felony Murder charge to the death of an accomplice by a third party. On the other hand if this had occurred in California, the surviver would be guilty of felony murder for California does extend the Felony Murder rule to the death of an accomplice by a third party.

California also makes it Felony Murder if while on your way to do a felony, something falls off your truck which leads to an accident in which a person dies. Notice NOTHING to do with the Felony except the felon was on his way to do the felony.

Michigan, Maine, Ohio and Alaska do NOT have the felony Murder rule, the other 46 states do.

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/should-murder-accomplices-face-execution-85899387191

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:28 PM

24. and that ain't the only one...

Omaha (NE) WOWT
One Killed, Three Wounded In Shooting
Sat Feb 2, 2013 5:18 PM EST

Flagstaff (AZ) Daily Sun - State -
Woman killed in Phoenix drive-by shooting ID’d
Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:07 PM EST

Oakland (CA) Tribune -
One killed, three wounded in shooting at Oakland Art Murmur
Sat Feb 2, 2013 12:08 PM EST

Minneapolis-St Paul (MN) WCCO -
Teen Pleads Guilty To Shooting That Killed Nizzel George
Fri Feb 1, 2013 7:16 PM EST

Milwaukee (WI) WISN -
Man killed in shooting at 41st, Meinecke
Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:20 PM EST

Los Angeles (CA) KABC -
South LA pizzeria shooting: 1 killed, 2 suspects at large
Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:08 PM EST

Baltimore (MD) WBAL -
1 killed, another injured in Harford Co. shooting
Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:15 PM EST

Memphis (TN) Commercial Appeal
CRIME REPORT: 1 killed in South Memphis shooting
Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:26 AM EST

Indianapolis (IN) WRTV - More Headlines
Purdue prof’s brother killed in shooting
Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:12 AM EST

Augusta (GA) WJBF - More Headlines
DEVELOPING ON 6: Suspect Killed In Deputy-Involved Shooting Identified
Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:10 AM EST

Hampton Roads (VA) WTKR - More Headlines
Vigil held for Smithfield teen killed in unexplained shooting
Fri Feb 1, 2013 01:28 AM EST

Kansas City (MO) KCTV - More Headlines
Family devastated after woman, 32, killed in road rage shooting
Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:18 PM EST

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:45 PM

26. Don't rob people. You might get shot.

*shrug*

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:47 PM

27. Infuriatingly, VPC will still count this as a "child killed by gun violence"

Sigh.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:07 AM

32. I hope someone from area updates us...

...on this case as it progresses. I guess if you carry, you have to take into account that if you're robbed, you have to get to the gun before they do, as they can turn the gun on you if they find it on you, and in this instance, on the two students he was walking to their car. I didn't read in any of the articles that the juveniles had guns themselves. Initially, I say he walks, especially if there were witnesses who can corroborate his story. I bet he feels terrible about it though. Thanks for posting the story, michreject.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:32 AM

36. One threatened him with a gun. This is from the article:

"Police sources say the coach was walking the two girls to their cars when two men allegedly approached and one pulled out a gun and grabbed him by his chain necklace <emphasis added>. The coach then pulled out his gun and shot both of them, according to sources."

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit#ixzz2JqIa04nA

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:44 PM

48. Thanks...

I missed that fact.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:29 AM

37. Coach held for questioning in fatal shooting

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Response to Robb (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:25 AM

38. He's not under arrest

 

just being held for questioning about the events. It wouldn't surprise me if he's at home now.
I predict that this will be ruled a justifiable homicide, there were at least 2 witness' if the story is correct, one of the teens reportedly pulled a gun and grabbed the coach's necklace.

The wounded teen will probably be charged with murder if the shooter's story checks out.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:11 AM

39. There's a lot of gun defense news ...just not on DU. n/t

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:32 PM

42. The young hoodlums chose poorly

 

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:23 PM

49. Report: No Guns Found (except the shooter's)

Questions remain about Detroit high school coach's shooting of teens

(snip)

(Robinson's) story is that two teens, one of them armed, tried to rip a necklace off him. Robinson also said he held fire until a teen trained his gun on one of the girls.

Robinson then drew his weapon and shot both teens. Michael Scott, 16, fell dead in the middle of Larned Street. The other teen was seriously wounded and taken to Detroit Receiving Hospital.

As of Saturday night, he was listed in very serious condition.

One problem is that, reportedly, no guns were found but Robinson’s.

Read More: http://www.examiner.com/article/questions-remain-about-detroit-high-school-coach-s-shooting-of-teens


Time will out, of course.

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Response to Robb (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:42 PM

54. If he said one had a gun, and niether had anything that even resembles one.......

That is going to be a problem for him.

You do not need to have a gun pointed at you in order to use one one someone. But you do need to be able to convey to a detective and prosecutor as to why you felt your life was threatened.

You can easily claim self defense as a 70yr old escorting 2 girls, if a group of stronger men somehow made him feel as if his life was in danger.

If there were no guns, and the girls say there were no guns, and they did not feel physically threatened even without a gun, then he will be spending the rest of his life behind bars.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:10 PM

55. Warrant request submitted for possible charges against the coach

Curiouser and curiouser.

Warrant package request submitted for Detroit coach who shot, killed teen

DETROIT - A warrant package request has been submitted to the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office for possible charges against a Detroit high school basketball coach who shot two teen robbers Friday night, killing one of them.

According to police, 70-year-old Ernest Robinson was walking two of the players on his girls team to their cars when the attackers came at them outside Detroit's Martin Luther King High School.

Two boys, ages 16 and 15, claimed they had a gun. Robinson struggled with the teens and then pulled out his legal, licensed firearm and shot them. Michael Scott, 16, was killed by the gunfire. His 15-year-old accomplice was injured....

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... No decision on the warrant request is expected until at least Wednesday, the Prosecutor's Office said.

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Response to Robb (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:00 PM

57. Police almost always want an arrest, it takes the pressure off of them.

If the girl's testimony and/or evidence at the scene don't back up his testimony, the DA will charge in a heartbeat.

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Response to Robb (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:48 PM

79. Police say coach is victim

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-detroit-coach-kills-student-20130205,0,929972.story

WXYZ-TV, citing police who also saw the footage, reported that the teens "announced a holdup and grabbed the coach by his chain necklace and stuck something in his chest."

Police would not confirm to the Los Angeles Times whether Scott and the other unidentified teen, 15, had a gun or other weapon, citing an ongoing investigation.

WXYZ-TV further reported that "the coach is seen struggling with the teens and then when he is able to get some distance between himself and them, he pulls out his gun and fires at the teens, striking both of them."

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Lewis -- who referred to Robinson as a "victim" -- said the case had been passed along to Wayne County prosecutors to decide whether to prosecute the coach, and a spokesman for the prosecutor's office said the incident was under review.

Steve Wasko, a spokesman for the school system, said there had been no change in Robinson's status as a coach at the school.

More at link


Looks pretty clear cut to me.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:54 PM

51. If only everyone had had their hands amputated and replaced with guns,

this never would have happened.

For the -impaired

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:32 AM

53. I suspect that some of the people

posting to this, have never been to Detroit...

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:23 PM

56. UPDATE: "Did 70-year-old coach use excessive force in MLK High School shootings?"

Did 70-year-old coach use excessive force in MLK High School shootings?

(WXYZ) - There is a new development in the case of the 70-year-old high school basketball coach who allegedly shot two teens accused of trying to rob him.

Sources are telling 7 Action News that what appeared to be a clear-cut case of self-defense could be a case of excessive force....

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...The incident was captured on video, but—again—we’re hearing there are questions about what kind of weapons the teens were using and whether the coach used excessive force.

The prosecutor's office says they will not have a decision today.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/did-70-year-old-coach-use-excessive-force-in-mlk-high-school-shootings#ixzz2K4On9AWn

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Response to Robb (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:15 PM

67. I don't know the specifics of Michigan law, but in most states there is no requirement for parity...

 

...of weapons in a robbery situation. A credible threat of death or bodily injury is sufficient to justify defensive use of force even if the person making the threat is unarmed. An elderly man who confronted by two much younger men is certainly at a disadvantage unless he is well armed.

The prosecutor is absolutely right to investigate the incident thoroughly. If it turns out that there was no credible threat, the shooter's claim of self-defense should be challenged.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #67)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:23 PM

68. Nice backtrack from your unrestrained enthusiasm for this shooting in #42 above.



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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:45 AM

72. The Wayne County prosecutor needs to study this from all angles ...

... study the facts, the law, and the politics (in case she wants to run for mayor or governor).

After a few speeches in front of local news cameras, I'd bet there are no charges.

Reply #42 will be upheld.

If not, I'll buy Paczkis for the lounge next week.

http://www.americanpolishcenter.com/paczki-sale-paczki-day-monday-tuesday-february-11-12/paczki-day-2013/



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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 03:42 PM

73. "Reply #42 will be up held" - as if this is some kind of legal proceeding we're conducting here.



The enthusiasm "RKBA enthusiasts" and pro-NRA shills display in articles about people being shot is beyond morally callous. Even in a legitimate exercise of self-defense with a firearm - and this is far from having been shown to be a legitimate use of force - a certain sobriety and adult exercise of restraint should prevail in discussions about it.

None of that for our "pro gun progressives"*: there's giddy delight at the fact that someone has been shot and killed ("the young hoodlums chose poorly"; "I'll buy Paczkis for the lounge next week") that belies any decent regard for the solemn business of the taking of a human life, whether justified or not.

The non-stop pro-NRA shilling on DU from "RKBA enthusiasts" is one thing: phony as the pretense maintained to keep those posting privileges is, at least it's not celebrating, with the internet equivalent of huzzahs! and high-fives, the shooting and killing of another human being. That latter business, besides being morally repulsive, is quite another.

That mask inevitably slips once too often and for too long, however, and then there's a Meta post about it. And I'll be there to chime in my enthusiastic approval.


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Response to slackmaster (Reply #67)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 04:27 PM

78. 2 young men threatening a 70 year old

You are correct, Sir. Chances are that many a reasonable person would expect the two young men could put a life-threatening hurt on the elderly man, so in that light the elderly man using deadly force could be seen as justified.

Prayers for all involved.

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Response to michreject (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:39 AM

81. UPDATE: No mention of finding youth's gun in police report, only one warrant request

"A warrant request on the person who fired a weapon during the Friday night incident at Martin Luther King, Sr. High School has been submitted to us by the Detroit Police Department," Assistant Prosecutor Mark Bernardi said in an email. "That warrant request is currently under review by our office. No other warrant requests have been submitted to us involving that incident."

Investigators reviewed video of the incident, according to one report, and observed the 15-year-old "running … toward the tennis court after the incident."




From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130207/METRO01/302070377#ixzz2KERohP2X

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