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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:20 PM

Alabama hostage suspect urged to let boy 'go home to his mother'

Source: CNN

Midland City, Alabama (CNN) -- As an armed standoff dragged into its fifth day Saturday, authorities negotiated through a ventilation pipe with a man accused of barricading himself and a 5-year-old hostage in an underground bunker in southeastern Alabama.

Police have been tight-lipped about a possible motive since the hostage drama began unfolding in Midland City with the shooting of school bus driver and the abduction of the 5-year-old, Ethan.


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/02/us/alabama-child-hostage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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Reply Alabama hostage suspect urged to let boy 'go home to his mother' (Original post)
LiberalElite Feb 2013 OP
TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #1
Archae Feb 2013 #2
freshwest Feb 2013 #5
davidpdx Feb 2013 #16
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #20
RTick Feb 2013 #3
MgtPA Feb 2013 #18
Paranoid Pessimist Feb 2013 #4
TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #6
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #11
TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #19
wordpix Feb 2013 #7
King_Klonopin Feb 2013 #17
lobodons Feb 2013 #8
craigmatic Feb 2013 #9
kardonb Feb 2013 #10
xtraxritical Feb 2013 #12
Great Cthulhu Feb 2013 #14
Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2013 #13
davidpdx Feb 2013 #15
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #21

Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:24 PM

1. Once the boy is safely released, they should immediately

pour 30 yards of fast-set concrete on top of that wretched SOB.

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:43 PM

2. I don't think this will end well.

This guy sounds like he's a local crazy, and he wants to go out in a blaze of glory.
And he'll take the kid with him.

I hope I'm dead wrong.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:34 PM

5. I agree. And there's no telling what else is going on in that bunker.

If the boy survives, he'll be emotionally scarred for life - truly damaged.

I was trying to get an image of another child abuser from google. And found another case of one of these types - he didn't hardly look human in the mug shots. I've never seen anyone look like that, all neck and his eyes closed in the front picture. Malevolent.

And the child he kidnapped, a young boy, has not been seen yet. They believe he took the boy as a front to say he was his son and establish a new identity to get the law off his back. This is going on right now in the same region.

So much hatred at children...


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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:10 AM

16. You have to wonder if the guy has stuff down there besides guns

Obviously he anticipated this happening as sounds like he pulled off his plan.

I feel bad for that boy to have to be dragged through the crap by this guy.

Perhaps the only positive thing is that the guy is contained to the point he can't hurt anyone outside the bunker (unless the authorities try to go in after him which seems like a suicide mission).

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:48 AM

20. I know the authorities have every reason to be delicate, play nice, and tread lightly

because they don't want to accidentally overload this shithead's last functioning brain cell...

But, if after all this Dykes still decides to seriously harm or kill the kid anyway, their strategy will be second-guessed for the rest of their lives....

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:07 PM

3. Would like to know what he wants

I have a feeling this guy (Dykes) is making demands but the news isn't being told much about it. Dykes has told his neighbors he's a Vietnam vet with PTS. LOL! I doubt that. He's disturbed for sure, but Vietnam was forty or fifty years ago. I suspect substance abuse has more impact on his state of mind now. A more accurate acronym might be TGNBS. (teabilly gun nut on bath salt) All the teabilly gun nuts are in a state of frenzy over recent talk about gun control. He's just the first one to go off the edge. He's probably got a copy of "the turner diaries" down there in his bunker too! I think he took a hostage simply for attention. He wants people to listen to him. He's probably writing some stupid teabilly manifesto right now; full of words like "socialist","marxist" "dictator", and such. I can't wait to see it! He's got a bunker and a assault rifle and now he's holding off the "tyrannical" Obama government. It's like a deranged teabilly gun nut fantasy vacation for him. He's probably been planning this since the election. Hostage negotiators are talking with him and I'm sure they know what they're doing. I just wish they would tell us more about what he's saying.

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Response to RTick (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:13 AM

18. Dykes is 65, he definitely could have been in Vietnam during the 1968 Tet Offensive.

I know two people his age who were there.

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:31 PM

4. According to what they have been allowed to say . . ,

. . . on the network news, the guy wanted to do something that made headlines. This is a common motive for wack massacre perpetrators. They seem to be suffering from a dangerous feeling of pointlessness. Despite the fact that overall crime stats are said to be down, these kind of crimes are happening with ever increasing frequency. I've been trying to put into words what's happening and why. But this article I found in Truthout said it well:

"American white men and Asian men have lost the family wage and with it their hegemonic positions in what was once secure employment. The have simultaneously lost their dominant positions in intimate and family life. The key figure in the economic and social disempowerment of US workers was Ronald Reagan, who began his presidency by firing the mass of striking air traffic controllers and destroying their union. With the destruction of the Air Traffic Controllers Union, Reagan shot his first round into the body of labor. The chance to negotiate union wages and job conditions was gravely wounded. More shots followed.
Mass killings became a new phenomenon in the 1980s when Reagan's platform of disempowerment of white, male workers, began. Asian men had at that point also been largely included in the hegemonic gender."

The entire piece "'Mass Killimgs: Why American Men Are Going Postal" by Harriat Fraad

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14183-mass-killings-why-american-men-going-postal

I hate the term "senseless massacre." It sort of assumes there are psycho killings that could maybe make sense. I also have trouble with the surviving relatives who come on TV and say: "I just want to ask 'Why?'" Is there a reason a psycho killer could give that would make it make sense? Is there something that a crazed murderer could say that would allow understanding to flourish? "OK, when you put it that way . . ."

I hope the guy relents, but as of now 6:30 PST, it's still ongoing


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Response to Paranoid Pessimist (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:38 PM

6. Any particular reason for calling attention to white and male? /nt

 

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:26 AM

11. Because 44 of 62 mass shootings since 1982 were done by white males?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:48 AM

19. I meant for the "lost privileges" that drove that group...

 

...to it's current "excesses". It's true that loss of a "family living wage" is a largish part of the problem. However, at the time the erosion started, true pay equallity was becoming a reality for a lot of minorities, including the superminority women. It may even be a part of the reason for the erosion.

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:46 PM

7. survivalist with anti-gov views, I'm so surprised

I wonder if he's a member of the NRA, too

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Response to wordpix (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:19 AM

17. " A man with an underground bunker"

is usually a detail that is a huge give-away.

I think all "bunker-owners" should be under 24-hour surveillance.

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:09 PM

8. Best case scenario

Suspect suicide little boy rescued fingers crossed

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:31 PM

9. I don't live too far from where this is going on. The state is going to kill that guy when this is

over. This si what happens when you take this anti-government rhetoric to the extreme. This hostage taker is a hardcore conservative.

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Response to craigmatic (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:15 AM

10. hostage taker

please keep the parents of that little boy in your thoughts . They must be going thru hell at this time .

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:38 AM

12. Would it be possible to rapidly shoot some kind of knock out gas down that vent pipe?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:33 AM

14. NO!!!

 

Sorry but I'm getting alarmed by the frequency of this suggestion -- different bodies metabolize different toxins at different rates, all based on body/mass index, which means that the amount needed to "knock out" a full grown man is likely enough to kill a small child.

This has been tried before, with results any anesthesiologist could've predicted: 117 innocent people died.

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Response to LiberalElite (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:49 AM

13. It's amazing how little coverage something like this gets when the police don't let things leak out.

With nothing being fed to the the media, there's nothing for them to speculate on. There's no endless drama, no supposition as to what motivated the killer turned kidnapper. It's a horrific story that almost 'isn't' due to the lack of general interest.

All that really matters is that the poor child is brought out safe and whole. Or as whole as one can be considering what he's endured now for the past 5 days.

Once many, many years ago a toddler fell in a well. I was young at the time, but even I noticed and still remember the insanity that followed in our media. The media dubbed her "baby Jessica" and everyone followed her progress as if their own lives depended on it. I remember my mother being worried sick as to if the poor child would be brought up safely. I was too young to recognized it for what it was at the time, the first major media circus of my awareness. If anything I was as caught up in the events as everyone else. Now I sit here wondering how a child being held hostage by an unstable murderer is less of a desperate situation? Is this story - this tragedy, since surely it's at least as tragic, if not more so than that event - is not the current apple of the media's eye because we've less interest in such things, or is it simply that the media is being excluded, and as such are less inclined to spare their precious minutes to the story?

Be all of the above as it may, I do hope the poor little bug is reunited safely with his parents soon. He's been through so much trauma already it's going to be a long healing process. The sooner he can begin that journey the better. I refuse to even consider an outcome which doesn't bring him home to his loved ones alive. The kidnappers inability to gain his two hostages as he originally wanted may well be a lifesaver for an innocent victim.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:05 AM

15. If there are no leaks as to what is going on

Then the authorities are doing a good job of playing it close to the vest. That may preserve their options down the road. Hopefully this ends soon with the poor kid headed back to his parents.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:51 AM

21. I'm wondering if Dykes has some kind of rambling Unabomber manifesto he wants printed or broadcast

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