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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:07 AM

Argentina pulls out of Falklands talks

Source: Telegraph

A diplomatic dispute has erupted over the Falkland Islands after the Argentine foreign minister pulled out of talks with William Hague because the UK Government insisted that islanders should be able to take part.


Hector Timerman has refused to meet representatives of the Falkland Islands government, which Argentina does not recognise as legitimate.

The islanders were expected to tell Mr Timerman that Buenos Aires should respect islanders' rights and leave them in peace.

Mr Timerman had initially asked for a one-to-one meeting with Mr Hague.

In words bound to raise tensions between the UK and Argentina over the issue Mr Timerman said he was sorry that Mr Hague "can't meet without the supervision of the colonists from the Malvinas".

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9841388/Argentina-pulls-out-of-Falklands-talks.html

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:05 AM

1. Wouldn't it be fair to allow ALL interested parties to be involved?

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:17 AM

2. I doubt fairness is anywhere on Argentina's agenda there. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:21 AM

3. I agree.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:19 AM

7. Maybe they forgot the ass kicking they earned a few decades ago

and need a reminder.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:23 AM

4. but that isn't always how world politics is played out

the best (worst) example of this is the Munich Conference in October 1938. The agreement made between Germany, Italy, France, and England decided the fate of Czechoslovakia. They just passed the country completely over to Hitler without any representation from the country.

The Germans were brutal to the citizens of the country. If you want to make your stomach turn, do some reading on Reinhard Heydrich (aka the Butcher of Prague). He was appointed by Hitler to be the governor of Czechoslovakia.

Sorry, I'm a Nazi history nerd. I couldn't resist.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:53 AM

5. Another good example would be Diego Garcia. Not as far reaching and horrifying as Munich Conference

but still devastatingly brutal in its effect on ingenious population.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:48 AM

8. Pleased to see you know about that scam

From memory the lease runs to 2016 and then I think the US will ship out leaving the Chagos islanders to return from their exile.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:10 AM

9. Somehow I doubt it's going to happen. Even if US withdraws from the island I bet that UK government

would keep its hold on it as a military base anyway.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:12 AM

10. The US isn't leaving Diego Garcia. The UK will renew the lease, or if it reverts, Mauritius will

lease it.

The base is massive, and recently renovated. Given the threats posed by China, NK, and Al Qaeda affiliates, that base is too strategic to give up.

The airstrips are invaluable.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:13 AM

11. You're assuming

the UK will renew the lease.

From last year :

David Cameron to discuss Chagos Islands sovereignty with Mauritius.

The future of Diego Garcia, the British-controlled territory in the Indian Ocean used by the CIA for secret rendition flights, will be discussed during an unprecedented meeting next week between David Cameron and Navinchandra Ramgoolam, the prime minister of Mauritius, the Guardian has learned.

The meeting comes at a time when Britain, faced with a string of lawsuits, is under increasingly heavy pressure to return Diego Garcia and the other 54 islands in the Chagos archipelago to Mauritius. Ramgoolam will be in London for the Queen's diamond jubilee celebrations.

Diego Garcia was used by the US to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan and for CIA rendition flights, including one putting a Libyan dissident into the hands of Muammar Gaddafi's secret police in an operation involving MI6.

The island is almost certainly used by the US for long-range bombers and would act as a military communications hub in any attack on Iran. That prospect is causing deep anxiety among British military chiefs, fearful of the consequences for UK forces in Afghanistan and the Gulf.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/30/david-cameron-chagos-islands-mauritius

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:37 AM

12. As I said...either the UK or Mauritius will. We didn't put the world's longest air strip down to

abandon it.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:08 AM

6. UK 'disappointed' as Argentina turns down talks over Falklands


Argentinian minister says he will not attend meeting at which representatives of Falkland Islands government are present
Julian Borger and agencies
Friday 1 February 2013 04.46 EST

... The Foreign Office said on Friday morning that the UK was not ready to compromise on the presence of Falkland Islands representatives.

"We are not prepared to have a meeting where the Falkland Islanders are not represented or where the Falkland Islands are not mentioned," a spokeswoman said. "We're massively disappointed by the Argentinian response."

Insisting on a Falkland Islands presence appears to be a new condition laid down by Britain for a ministerial meeting with Argentina. The Foreign Office spokeswoman said that because of the rising tension in recent months between the two countries over the islands "it would be unthinkable not to have the islands represented".

Timerman invited Hague to meet him in Buenos Aires, where he said "my fellow foreign ministers can freely meet with whomever they wish without being pressured or having their presence conditioned on meetings that they haven't asked for and don't interest them" ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/01/uk-disappointed-argentina-talks-falklands

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:03 AM

13. Great, now I'm never going to get that song out of my head.

"Brezhnev took Afghanistan
And Begin took Beirut
Galtieri took the Union Jack
And Maggie over lunch one day
Took a cruiser with all hands
Apparently, to make him give it back
Ooo, Maggie what have you done?"

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 10:17 AM

14. To be fair, there is a precedent for Argentina's attitude.

The Czechoslovaks were not given a voice in the negotiations over the Munich Agreement which handed their country over to Hitler.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 01:04 PM

15. The Argentine government is pretty stupid

not to include the Falklanders in disposition talks.
They could try making joining with Argentina appealing rather resorting to childish name calling, threats, and invasion.
Why would the Falklanders trust the Argentine government at all?

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